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Moore's style seems to be more along the lines of ugly but gets the job done (in practice, anyway).

Day 1 Practice Notes. I love it! Nobody can figure out how he does it but Kellen just wins baby!

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Kellen moore doesn't throw a pretty ball, but he has a knack of hitting the open man in space. Not sure that carries to game speed.

While it was only one day of practice, Archer seemed to get more praise from the media than Moore, not that that necessarily means anything.

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“They” (The media) always wanna focus on the battle being about armstrength. Who the BW cares if you can throw the ball from endzone to endzone if you can hit a target and throw a catchable ball! So tired of that argument, if he gets the job done who cares? I love how I hear he moves the ball and has a knack for finding the open man, but gosh darn it doesn’t look pretty. I’m sorry but isn’t that the job of the QB to do exactly what he is good at? Didn’t know that it was important for a sports reporter to think you throw a pretty ball, it’s not a flipping beauty pageant. Well that’s my rant for the day lol

You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by having the bastard on the other side die for his.

by USAFBronco on Jul 28, 2025 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

As a raider fan all i have to say is Jamarcus Russell

by 84bsufan on Jul 28, 2025 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bahaha

Exactly! On a side note, I’m sorry

You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by having the bastard on the other side die for his.

by USAFBronco on Jul 28, 2025 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Munson'd

Can’t** I really need to learn that this “preview” button is here for a reason

You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by having the bastard on the other side die for his.

by USAFBronco on Jul 28, 2025 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

"not sure if it carries over to game speed."

It will idiots. It will.

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by Grindhouse on Jul 28, 2025 3:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Dang. Didn't get the quote right.

Ah well.

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by Grindhouse on Jul 28, 2025 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not pretty

But, oh, so good!

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.

by SeniorChief on Jul 28, 2025 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

We'll see, I'm still waiting to see him in some live NFL action against a Pro Bowl secondary.

That may take a while. Pre-Season could help answer some of those questions. I think the questions are legitimate. I don’t take them as personal indictments on Moore’s value as an upstanding athlete, guy, or student of the game. I don’t think Kellen takes it that way.

Try taking the same kind of question and applying it to a different player to test its sanity. Here are two examples I can think of right away…

Question: Can Warrick Dunn, in spite of his prolific college career at Florida St., take the pounding an NFL RB must handle at 5’8" and 185 pounds? Will he be able to run between the tackles consistently or will NFL defenses know it will be to the outside everytie he’s in the backfield?

Answer: Dunn went on to have a terrific career with the Bucs and had several Pro-Bowl and All Pro years.

Now take that very same question and replace Warrick Dunn’s name with former Oregon Duck LaMichael James. Do you feel the question is valid until proof is supplied?

Reporters, NFL teams, Coaches…these guys are asking perfectly rational questions. If anything is irrational, I’d say it’s the assumptions I’ve seen on this board. I’ll wait to see how Kellen does when he gets his chance, until then it’s a valid question that remains open and there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s not a prediction one way or the other on Kellen’s ability to play at the pro level and it’s certainly not an indictment on Moore’s value to CFB as a player and, one day hopefully, a coach. Jeeze Louise peeps. :D

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 28, 2025 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely nothing in that article

Talked about his size, it was talking about how his how he doesn’t throw a “pretty” ball necessarily and how his competition does. But at the same time they acknowledge that he has a knack for moving the ball down the field and hitting the open man in space? facepalm the idiocy astounds me. So yeah that’s the issue.

You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by having the bastard on the other side die for his.

by USAFBronco on Jul 28, 2025 6:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Talking about how he**

You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by having the bastard on the other side die for his.

by USAFBronco on Jul 28, 2025 7:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think they were talking about his size either. Additionally, a lot of us seem to think that they

are critiquing his ability to throw an 80 yard bomb. That’s a part of it, but only a small part. Primarily, the NFL has doubts about the velocity of his passes, which is a primary concern for short to intermediate routes, the bread and butter plays for a passing game. The remaining concern is how much he has to load up to throw the deep ball.

Look up highlights of Kellen bombs and then look at Drew Brees. Brees’ motion is effortless and his release is very fast as he cocks and launches. Kellen has to wind up his entire body, it’s the biggest telegraph you can give. Now look at the pick he threw against Georgia when he had pressure on him. That’s what can happen in a heartbeat in the NFL if you telegraph your throws.

He may have gotten away with that at the college level where a majority of his competition wasn’t stellar. But in the NFL, these guys are vastly superior across the board athletically compared to college and, more importantly, light years ahead mentally.

I just think it’s a valid question. I think it’s a normal question. I understand he’s proven it wrong at every level but that doesn’t make the question anymore invalid at each level as size, speed, athleticism, and preparedness pick up each time. Kellen slipping a 225 pound DE from Nevada, rolling out, winding up like a corkscrew, and delivering a bomb to a fairly open WR b/c he already looked off the Sophmore safety is one thing. Kellen slipping a 340 pound Ryan Pickett, rolling out to his left with 255 pound Clay Matthews in hot pursuit, and then completing his pass against Charles Woodson and Morgan Burnett is quite another. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m just saying I think it VERY prudent to wait and see and I can’t find any fault with wondering aloud about it, whether you’re a reporter or a coach.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, I'm rec'ing everyone's responses b/c I think it's a worthwhile topic of discussion

and I don’t see any reason for any of our people to get spun up or stressed out over this. This is the nature of competition, answering the bell and erasing the doubts. Athletes feed off this sort of thing and I guarantee it fuels Kellen, in a positive way.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's my thing.

It’s questions he’s faced his entire career. And on all levels (so far) they actually have been illegitimate.

There was a reason he had to “settle” for BSU. Other coaches who recruited him obviously didn’t see his potential and probably just attributed his gaudy high school numbers to the level of competition. Prosser isn’t that big.

Same thing applies here. The lions fans keep attributing his numbers to his level of competition (though Archer went to William & Mary, Moore might as well have been in he SEC for that matter if we’re talking competition).

I kind of feel like this is the Tebow thing. Questions about his throwing motion, etc. Given the opportunity, he’ll make an impact.

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by Grindhouse on Jul 28, 2025 9:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Sure, I think I'd agree if I had to pick a side. At the same time, I'm not going to down

the entire Associated Press or the cadre of NFL draft scouts and coaches for having concerns. Those guys are a gajillion times more qualified than we are and, though they make their fair share of mistakes, I just don’t see this as being a stupid question in regards to Kellen’s pluses and minuses.

There’s an awful lot of guys who’ve flamed out at the NFL level after stellar college careers. Steve Spurrier had a huge career as a college QB…flamed out at the NFL level. The Cowboys’ Head Coach, Jason Garrett, had a terrific mind for the game…career backup. The Texans Head Coach, Gary Kubiak, same story…career backup to Elway. It’s simply a fact that some guys have the mental aptitude but lack the physical aspects and vice versa and I see absolutely no reason for us to get so spun up about it (I think you’re even keel Grind but our site as a whole goes bonkers anytime Kellen receives an criticism). Kellen’s a winner, he’s going to do great at something whether this pans out or not.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then there's all the guys

That these “pro” scouts raved about because they met the criteria for this beauty pageant the NFL has for quarterbacks and then had no impact whatsoever. I don’t necessarily think these guys are all that good at evaluating talent and instead rely on a cookie cutter approach, too close minded to think for themselves. I think the way NFL evaluates talent needs to be reevaluated if you will, particularly quarterbacks. Intangibles and the mental aspect of the game are far more important at that position, but guys who have all that such as kellen aren’t given a fair shot just because it doesn’t look the right way? They even have said themselves in this article that he has a knack for finding the open man, that is the entire job of a quarterback (and not making mistakes). As Coach Pete himself said, nobody is better at doing the things a quarterback needs to do then Kellen Moore. I cannot wait to see if he gets a fair shot in the preseason.

You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by having the bastard on the other side die for his.

by USAFBronco on Jul 29, 2025 9:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I see your point but I also think it's not a tremendous factor.

The military has made all kinds of strategic blunders during its history, that doesn’t make them ineffective at their jobs as a whole. Similarly, an entire industry of paid professionals has grown up around talent evaluation for the NFL. While they have made their mistakes, they have had far more success, it’s just that we tend to remember the mistakes more. Blasting an entire industry for incompetence from the edge of our couches is a bit presumptious on our part imo.

My stance is not expectant of Moore’s failure or success and I don’t think that is true of the reports we hear either. It’s simply a wait and see approach. I don’t think it’s a certainty that Kellen Moore will flame out of the NFL but neither do I feel it is a certainty he will succeed either. Detroit rolled the dice because they see something there. Moore will get his opportunity in the NFL but, because he’s not the prototypical athlete, he will always have to fight the uphill battle. That’s simply the way things go in just about any life event you can name. If you don’t look the part, or you have obvious deficiencies to your game, you have more proving to do and more doubts to overcome.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pro scouts can't measure heart or head

with any efficiency…there are hundreds on examples. Moore is the latest.

Soli Deo Gloria

by HSridge on Jul 29, 2025 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, and we will see how it pans out.

I simply don’t think a reporter or coaching staff deserves to be lamblasted for taking a wait and see approach rather than holding a coronation ceremony for a rookie QB that has obvious question marks. What is so awful about question marks? No one has kicked Moore out because of measurables, the Lions spent a draft pick on him. Everyone has pluses and minuses and Kellen is no different.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

err...the Lions did not spend a draft pick but they paid him money.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wikipedia on Joe Montana

“Montana graduated from Notre Dame with a degree in business administration and marketing. Although the NFL Combine was not formed until 1982, NFL scouts still evaluated potential draftees through the use of combines in 1979. Candidates were rated in a number of categories on a scale of one to nine, with one being the worst mark and nine being the best mark. The categories they used were contingent on the position that the athlete played.

Despite his performance on the field, Montana was not rated highly by most scouts. At one combine, Montana rated out as six-and-a-half overall with a six in arm strength, used to judge how hard and how far a prospect could throw the ball. By comparison, Jack Thompson of Washington State rated an eight, the highest grade among eligible quarterbacks.

In the 1979 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers selected Montana at the end of the third round with the 82nd overall pick. Montana was the fourth quarterback taken, behind Thompson, Phil Simms, and Steve Fuller, all selected in the first round.

Montana earned the nickname “Joe Cool” for his ability to stay calm at key moments, and “Comeback Kid” for his history of rallying his teams from late-game deficits. His teammates in San Francisco called him “Bird Legs” due to his very thin legs and small calves."

We all know the rest of the story….

Comes 2012 and another possible Legend in a similar mold….Kellen (on the) Moore

by EarlOfLucan on Jul 29, 2025 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I have held the same stance Earl. Actually, if you watch the recap vid I did for the UGA game

you will see where I do a side by side shot of Kellen and Joe celebrating TD throws. While I feel Montana is the kind of QB Moore is most likely to resemble, I see absolutely no fault with coaching staffs and/or media analysts adopting a wait and see attitude in regards to Moore’s NFL future or having some concerns at the outset of his career until he proves otherwise.

I’ve heard BSU fans blast the media for having questions concerning Moore’s game while trashing LaMichael James’ chances to become a starting NFL RB b/c of his height/weight. That’s nothing short of hypocrisy. IMO, both players have tremendous potential and obvious questions. I don’t think anyone is wrong for not wanting to crown Moore the next Hall of Fame QB before he’s even taken an NFL snap just yet or for wondering aloud how well his game will translate or how well his body will take sacks at the NFL level. A lot of that will depend on genetics. I’ve seen small athletes that had long careers and big ones that couldn’t last more than 2 or 3 years. Moore didn’t take many sacks in college but he never seemed too hurt either. Again though, a wait and see approach. NFL DT’s, DE’s, and OLB’s are monstrous in size compared to college. They are downright behemoths even compared to the size of players in Montana’s day. It’s different now.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2025

by pjohn56 on Jul 29, 2025 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  


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