Andy Staple's take on Kustra's comments
"Could it be that you Broncos, who now have one of the nation's best programs, have turned into the same kind of snobs you used to despise? It's quite a bit different when the cleat is on the other foot, isn't it?"
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Much of what he said were some of my thoughts earlier in the week. But what he leaves out is that the majority of CFB elite knocks the Broncos for playing a cupcake schedule. Dropping the Idaho game is BSU’s way of leaving space to beef up their schedule. Now if they continue to schedule UC Davis or Toledo instead of the Vandals, that would be an issue.
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by MKingery on Jul 30, 2025 10:08 AM PDT reply actions
But no one cares about strength of schedule if it’s a rivalry. No one got down on Notre Dame for playing Navy in the pre-Paul Johnson days. No one gets down on Colorado for playing Colorado State. No one was bothered by Kentucky playing Louisville before UL got in the Big East.
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by Year2 on Jul 30, 2025 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Those Teams Aren't Constantly Attacked for a Weak SOS
We have the opportunity to drop what is probably the worst program in college football over the last decade, why would we continue to have them drag our schedule now?
by MooreWalksOnWater on Jul 30, 2025 11:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They don’t get attacked the way BSU does because they don’t play in the WAC. Once BSU is in the MWC, that will largely go away. All three of them play at least one Idaho-caliber or worse team a year and get away with it, so there’s no reason why Boise State can’t keep the series going.
This reminds me strongly of 2004 when USF got its Big East invite and suddenly thought itself too good to play UCF. It looked bad on USF because it was destroying a perfectly good rivalry opportunity and showed that USF thought itself to be something it wasn’t (and still isn’t) yet. FSU, Miami, or UF should be able to decide who they want to do a permanent home-and-home series with in the state because they’ve all won national titles and are A-list programs. USF is not on that level yet.
Now Boise is a bit better off than where USF was in ‘04 (a 4-7 team in CUSA), but there also wasn’t any history yet between USF and UCF (as USF had been playing football for all of eight years by then) like there is between BSU and Idaho. Either way, it’s a case of a school thinking that a promotion in conference status automatically made it too good for another in-state program that didn’t get the same treatment. And I agree with Staples on both accords: that ain’t so.
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by Year2 on Jul 30, 2025 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, I'll just distill what I wrote to Staples
What the hell do you think you know about the state of Idaho in general and the BSU/UI rivalry in particular?
Here, I’ll repeat verbatim the lst sentence of my email to Staples:
As a BSU alum, I’d be happy to continue the “rivalry”…just as soon as Idaho pays us back the cash they received from our two Fiesta Bowl appearances while they rooted for our opponents.
by kcam on Jul 30, 2025 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I may not know that much about Idaho (though I’ve followed Boise State casually since 2003 or so), but I do know college football fans.
Florida canceled its series against Miami in the late ‘80s in large part because of the nastiness that went on between the fan bases. The problem though is that the act of cutting it off only made the Miami contingent more angry. Florida fans do plenty to keep it going; I’m not claiming any innocence on UF’s side. But, the only time I’ve felt unsafe in a visiting stadium was at the old Orange Bowl at the 2003 Florida-Miami game. The bad blood still exists.
If the reason to cancel the Idaho series is about money, say it’s about money. If it’s about strength of schedule, say it’s about strength of schedule. If it really and truly is about conflicts between fans, then there’s nothing about canceling the series that will fix anything. The fringe element that perpetuates the nastiness will always have a reason to keep it going no matter if the schools never play again.
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by Year2 on Jul 30, 2025 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that there is this dream that we would get to replace Idaho with home/homes with teams like USC, Cal, Oklahoma, etc. If that could actually happen, I’d be all for dropping Idaho. But to replace Idaho with random games against MAC teams or CUSA teams? I like the rivalry, even if drunk a-holes try to ruin it for everybody.
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by marktgarten on Jul 31, 2025 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If the reason to cancel the Idaho series is about money, say it’s about money. If it’s about strength of schedule, say it’s about strength of schedule. If it really and truly is about conflicts between fans
Its about all three. Those good enough reasons for ya? Idaho is worthless in every aspect and only drags BSU down by being affiliated with it in any way.
At least other rivalries can actually compete with each other. Idaho is just a leech no one wants around.
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by BoiseState on Jul 31, 2025 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
At least other rivalries can actually compete with each other. Idaho is just a leech no one wants around.
Oklahoma has an 80-15-7 record against Oklahoma State. Ole Miss has a 60-40-6 record against Mississippi State. USC has a 43-28-7 record against UCLA. Michigan has a 67-30-5 record against Michigan State. None of those people like each other.
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by marktgarten on Jul 31, 2025 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
examples are not valid
All of your examples are conference opponents. They HAVE to play each other.
None of those teams play in the middle of nowhere in front of 15k seats.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Iowa has a 38-19 record against Iowa State
Re: small stadium
That’s a good point, but you’ve just justified the majority of big conference teams refusing to play home/homes with Boise State.
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by marktgarten on Aug 2, 2025 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
see my reply below
Boise State recognizes this issue, and is planning a 4th stadium expansion in 15 years. See my other posts below.
According to Wikipedia, Iowa State plays in Jack Trice Stadium which holds 55k. This isn’t 15k.
I bet the Iowa State President and AD aren’t taking shots at anyone—not after it looked like they wouldn’t have a conference this past June. They already gave up their share of Nebraska/Colorado $$ to get the big teams to stay—-and agreed to let Texas do whatever they want.
Maybe if the Idaho administration were nicer…….
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Pac-12 Stadiums
Autzen Stadium - 54,000
Husky Stadium - 72,500
Arizona Stadium - 57,400
Reser Stadium - 45,674
Martin Stadium - 35,117
Memorial Stadium - 71,799
Stanford Stadium - 50,000
Sun Devil Stadium - 71,705
Rose Bowl - 91,500
Coliseum - 93,607
Folsom Field - 53,750
Rice-Eccles Stadium - 45,017
The difference between BSU and Idaho is less than the difference between BSU and 8 of 12 PAC-12 teams. Some day we may have our 50,000 stadium, but for right now, we have what we have.
I guess most everybody else is jazzed about replacing Idaho with home/homes with MAC and CUSA teams, but I’m not.
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by marktgarten on Aug 2, 2025 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
the new schedule is different
All the more reason to pour more concrete and expand the stadium.
And—a bunch of the PAC10 teams have come to Boise, so over 30k seems to offer an economy of scale. They aren’t visiting Idaho either.
the MW has an extra conference game, and we don’t get the extra game during the Hawaii away game year.
this means that on a two year schedule, BSU loses 3 games—from roughly 8 out of conference games, to five. If you schedule a Pac 10 team every year, find a VaTech/Ole Miss, then there is only one more game a year to add. Plus—on the odd year, you have 5 road games and four home games in conference—-you have to look for the extra home games that year—regardless of who the opponent is. A total of five home games doesn’t generate enough revenue.
I have heard that the Conf USA and MAC games are going away once the current contracts end.
It makes no sense to travel north. I would agree that games in Boise every other year make sense, but I think we will need some time for tempers to cool down. Maybe if the AD gets on the Orange airplane as an act of good faith….. :)
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 3, 2025 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
MW has an extra conference game?
I thought the MWC will have 9 teams, just like the WAC does right now, meaning we will have 8 conference games in the MWC like we do right now in the WAC.
Also, does “you have to look for the extra home games that year—regardless of who the opponent is” mean more games against Weber States and UCD?
Finally, the Pac-12 teams which have traveled to Boise either have smaller stadiums, or are close geographically, or both. I don’t think there is any economy of scale going on here. Of course, when USC comes to Boise, I’ll change my mind on this issue.
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by marktgarten on Aug 3, 2025 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he meant
that, as a WAC conference opponent, playing Idaho still left 4 nonconference slots open. But playing them as a MWC nonconference opponent, there’s only room for 3 other nonconference opponents.
I agree with the point about the PAC-10/12. Maybe Boise and Colorado could swing a deal, though.
by Hooper on Aug 3, 2025 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks--was confusing in my message
Would like to get Mike Bone on the phone. Let’s home and home with Colorado!
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 3, 2025 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
See
This is where your line of understanding is flawed. Dropping the series with the Vandals isn’t because BSU thinks they’re too good to play them, although if you get down to the nitty-gritty, Idaho won’t be competitive in the series for a good number of years. Dropping the series is all about the fan safety issue. My sister is a Vandal alum. She had her car keyed by a Vandal alum or student (we’ve never been sure which) with the words “F*** BSU” (obviously not censored) because she had liscense plates from Owyhee county (in southern ID). She even had her UI student parking pass in her window! That same year, my brother-in-law, along w/ the rest of the family that made the trip to Moscow for the game dang near got into a bar brawl in Moscow for just being BSU fans. Granted, Ben kind of begged it to happen wearing BSU gear into the bar. But that’s besides the point. Last year, I was at the game in Boise tailgating. Most of the Vandals could take good-natured ribbing, but those were the older fans. The younger ones consistently used foul language even if children were around. One even tried to start a fight w/ my group, going as far as to take swings at 2 of my friends. Needless to say, that numbskull was drunk off his keister and was arrested. And these are just my personal experiences. I’ve heard worse stories about Vandal-caused problems. Hell, as it is, the UI culture damn near encourages binge drinking. Virtually every year the local news broadcasts 2 or 3 reports of Vandal students falling out of dorm windows. And every single time, the student is completely obliterated. And typically at least one of the students winds up dying from the fall. Until the university gets an iron grip on the alcohol-caused problems, I have no issue with cancelling the series.
As for your opinion about the Idaho-caliber teams, it will still be an issue. Until the MWC gets a BCS auto-invite, they’ll still be viewed as a non-AQ conference. And as such, playing cellar-dwellar teams WILL have an influence. To think otherwise is utterly foolish and naieve on your part.
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by BSUFlyboy on Jul 30, 2025 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
If you think stuff like that doesn’t happen everywhere, you’re out of your mind. In my time in Florida’s marching band I was cussed at, spat on, flipped off more times than I can count and had trash thrown on me for no other reason than the uniform I was wearing. I have seen UF fans do similar. Every fan base has it’s bad apples withou exception.
When there were consecutive years with alcohol-related deaths at the Florida-Georgia game five years ago, the schools could have cancelled the event and moved it back to the campuses. Instead, they found ways to solve the roots of the issues and there have been any more since. Problems can be solved without just throwing tradition out the door.
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by Year2 on Jul 30, 2025 4:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My only reply would be that this is in conservative Idaho. Perhaps we haven’t accustomed ourselves to realizing this is part of growing up.
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by Loque on Jul 30, 2025 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
and also, therein lies some of the problem
the officials at idaho aren’t trying to fix the problem. like you said “they found ways to solve the roots of the issues and there have [sic] been any more since" (i’m going to assume you meant “haven’t”. the idaho officials are very aware of this but make no push to fix it or help it. they don’t discourage the students from violence, vandalism or any sort of civility.
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by Grindhouse on Jul 30, 2025 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
woops,
not only did i screw up the parenthesis, i didn’t mean to use “students” but meant to say “fanbase”.
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by Grindhouse on Jul 30, 2025 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
none of your examples involve a road trip to a 15k seat stadium
And the U of I does lose the occasional student out a window……
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Move to the MWC Will Definitely Be a Step Up.
However, the SOS will not go away. Why did undefeated ‘04 Utah get ZERO NC consideration? Answer: perceived weak schedule. Why did undefeated ’08 Utah get no NC consideration? Answer: perceived weak schedule. TCU undefeated through regular season in ’09, sorry (even if TX had missed that FG in the B12 championship, Cincy would’ve got in before TCU). The snobby big 6 conferences will always look down their noses at us little guys, no matter what.
by MooreWalksOnWater on Jul 30, 2025 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
right
exactly. If BSU continues to schedule the likes of those at the expense of Idaho … thats just ridiculous.
by killtacular on Jul 30, 2025 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I have never been...
but where are all the people that have rented cars and kept magnets off for fear of coming back to a burned out shell? They are absolutely horrible from what I have heard. If Idaho was halfway tollerable this wouldn’t be an issue, sos be damned, but the fan experience in dealing with the vandals is exactly what Kustra was talking about.
by Toywrecker on Jul 30, 2025 10:42 AM PDT reply actions
I told Staples
…to head up to Moscow dressed in orange and blue. If he makes it out alive he’ll be lucky. This is going to be a bad year up there. Extra nasty.
by MooreWalksOnWater on Jul 30, 2025 11:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Uof I knows that there will be issues
and they won’t do a think to stop it.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I emailed him as well
Among other things, I mentioned that the Vandals stopped playing ISU once they left the big sky. How is this different?
by kcam on Jul 30, 2025 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Excellent Point
I can’t rec’d from my mobile, but you’re getting one when I get home mister!
by MooreWalksOnWater on Jul 30, 2025 12:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They also have avoided Montana since 2003.
And the all-time record against them is 55-27-2. But they’ve droppped the last four.
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by Mikrino on Jul 30, 2025 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Because no I-A teams keep rivalry games with I-AA teams anywhere. That’s the difference.
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by Year2 on Jul 30, 2025 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why we don't want to play UI
They’re a 1-AA team masquerading as a 1-A school. Damn near every school in the Big Sky has better facilities than Idaho.
by kcam on Jul 30, 2025 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
this is a good point, everyone, don’t let your blind rage against UI overwhelm you.
by killtacular on Jul 30, 2025 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d take the old Montana rivalry over Idaho anyday. Montana would rank higher than Idaho even in Div. 1-AA almost every year.
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by Loque on Jul 31, 2025 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Montana also has better facilities, as well as more and better fans.
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by Loque on Jul 31, 2025 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
ya
but, as kind of a crucial point, they aren’t BSU’s natural in-state rival. You don’t get to pick ’em, you just have to live with them, and, if you are BSU, beat them badly every year. To just thumb your noses as them reeks of the worst sort of arrogance and entitlement. After all, there but the grace of God goes BSU …
by killtacular on Aug 2, 2025 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
because the bengals don’t bitch as much.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I smell a Mr. Fiskers rebuttal
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
by Belexes on Jul 30, 2025 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and don't forget Princess Fancybritches
by Boise State of Mind on Jul 30, 2025 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as i'd love it...
…I think it would require a lot paws for research and it would just sound like whining. But maybe Kev or Drew can pull it off.
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by Loque on Jul 30, 2025 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
calling Mr. Fiskers
I agree; Mr. Fiskers needs to offer a rebuttal that kicks ass and takes names!! Bare those claws, Mr. Fiskers, and rip into Andy Staples’ pale white fleshy skin with uncontrolled rage! YOU THE MAN (um.., I mean YOU THE CAT), Mr. Fiskers!!
by typhoonblue on Jul 30, 2025 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate the Vandals, and playing them on the field is a waste of time but
Having an instate rivalry is a part of a lot of big time school’s identity. Plus, I doubt that any one currently attending Boise State wants the rivalry to go away. Are you kidding me? Going into your in-state rival’s tiny little dome and spanking them on the field has to be the best thing in the world. Yeah, it’s a party town and they may be nasty but who cares, it makes it that much better to embarrass them on the field. I think that the comments by Custra (and I hate to say it, but coach Pete) were completely $ influenced and had nothing to do with the concern of the fans. Do you think that if VT fans were notoriously known for being huge idiots that Boise wouldn’t have scheduled the game? No, they would have, because they’re getting a huge fatty check.
by 4EverBleedBlue on Jul 30, 2025 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hate to say it, totally disagree with you.
This problem has been going on w/ the idaho fans in Moscow for how long? What has the city of Moscow, or the university done to correct it in that time? Thats right, zip, zero, nothing. The point that is most often missed in this whole thing in my opinion is this: The vandals have done this to themselves- PERIOD. They are going to continue w/ the behavior, and continue to not be held accountable. Petersen, and Kustra did exactly the correct thing. If the u of i did not allow this to happen in the first place, you, me and everyone else would not have this circus to deal with. 100% u of i fault. Now it’s time they do something about it, besides sell t-shirts.
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by blue4areason on Jul 30, 2025 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
There is no such thing as “Vandal Pride.” It’s “Vandal Hubris.” And you know what follows hubris? Nemesis, and that’s what they’re getting. (A little greek mythology, there)
The alum damn near bankrupted UI over University Place. Someone should have gone to jail over that fiasco and the perps went right up to the Governor’s office. Because there were so many Vandals in the Legislature and on the State Board, it got whitewashed and swept out the door. Don’t bother asking me how I know about things that were never published in the Statesman.
I’m with you, the Vandals have absolutely no one to blame but themselves.
by kcam on Jul 30, 2025 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
don't forget the brain trust
that recommended they follow BSU to D1.
Seats in your stadium? Population base? Money to build facilities? Check! I mean…nope.
Who in their right mind thought they could pull recruits from Pac10 schools?
The beauty of Kustra’s rant? They either come to Boise (on the blue and orange plane?) or skip the game completely….crumble to dust before your eyes….
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It's really simple.
Play them in Boise. that’s just simple. If they don’t want to do it, oh well.
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by Loque on Jul 30, 2025 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
Is not playing them in Moscow really destroying the rivalry?
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
by Loque on Jul 30, 2025 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Play the game in Boise where both teams make a TON more money. Better for both fan bases. F the Natty Can Dome in a town with nothing to do.
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by BoiBlue on Jul 30, 2025 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
as I have said before
the Uof I should play a game in Boise (not the broncos) every year—-conference or non conference, it doesn’t matter.
Play in front of your Boise-based fans. They do in basketball….
But now they will need to work with a high school, since Gene won’t return the phone call.
that said—-every game should be in Boise.
Destroy the rivalry? The Boise valley doubling in size, and the Uof I ‘buying beyond thier means’ is a bigger factor.
hey—that is a great analogy—they bought a bigger house than they can afford, and now the variable rate and balloon payments are due!
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Caves and Prater are having Staples on right now!
It will be interesting what Staples says on KTIK.
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
by Belexes on Jul 30, 2025 3:23 PM PDT reply actions
What if we played at Martin Stadium in Pullman instead of the Quansett?
by Drew Roberts on Jul 30, 2025 4:02 PM PDT reply actions
Screw that.
It’d be like having to cross the Mason-Dixon line. LOL Personally I say if it’s gonna happen, it needs to be a truly unique rivalry game. Have it played in the town nearest the halfway point. Looking at a map it’d be like Riggins or Cascade/McCall/Donnely. We could even call it the Battle of Whitebird since any Vandal or Bronco fan travels over Whitebird Summit to get to the games. What other rivalry would play out in the great outdoors on a small-town field?
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by BSUFlyboy on Jul 30, 2025 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha now that would trully add to the stereotypes about Idaho...
I say play it out on a floating field on a lake!
Take that for unique!
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by BleedBlue75 on Jul 30, 2025 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Battle of Whitebird, hilarious!
by Boise State of Mind on Jul 31, 2025 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess here I really, really disagree with everyone
UI is BSU’s natural rivalry. Did Kansas stop playing Kansas State for all those years where Kansas State sucked? Did Iowa stop playing Iowa State for all those years where Iowa State sucked? Did West Virginia do the right thing by not playing Marshall for all those years?
This is college football. You play your rival. For BSU, that means Idaho. People should stop whining about “drunken fans.” Seriously, this is slightly pathetic. BSU should beat down Idaho every year, end of story. If you don’t want to go to a BSU game, then don’t go. If you are concerned about strength of schedule, use Idaho in place of your MAC or 1-AA game. I’m actually disappointed in OBNUG’s general response here.
by killtacular on Jul 30, 2025 11:57 PM PDT reply actions
For me..
..it’s not about the drunken fans .. because I haven’t been to a game there. But their fanbase in Boise to any game (even when Idaho isn’t playing, there are some there) is just plain idiot. I don’t mind playful jabbing and insults.. no big deal. But there are many fans who come looking for fights. There’d be a lot more fights if Boise fans weren’t as respectful as they are to their opponents. Maybe we should do as the Vandals do and see how bloody this can really get? Just because one side makes this rivalry civil, doesn’t mean it’s good for the health of the state and the program. If it’s a healthy rivalry, keep it. If it’s only healthy for one program.. why bother? Why are we suppose to keep this rivalry because of what the nation outside of Idaho thinks?
Also, I’m more bored of Idaho like I am the WAC. If the admin decides to keep it, then fine. But it’s no big deal if they drop it, either. Programs are always dropping rival games, including Idaho (Montana & Idaho State). Why? Because they weren’t in their divisions anymore. Idaho is no longer in our division. Top 25 vs. bottom 25.
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by Loque on Jul 31, 2025 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't care about what is said @ games, or in print.
That is part of these games, yes nastiness included. When it’s fights, damages to personal property, and a university and or town refuses to take responsibility for those actions- that is entirely differnt. That is the real issue for me.
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by blue4areason on Jul 31, 2025 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
well
First, I’m absolutely sure you can find Vandal fans who tell the same story you do, but about BSU fans.
Second, we keep this rivalry because they are the other 1-A football program in the state, and it is awesome to beat them down. I totally get the UI hatred if it entails wanting to beat them badly. I totally don’t get it if it means BSU doesn’t even play them.
Third, name me a top-25 program that doesn’t play their in-state rival. There could be one, I just can’t think of anything. The best I can come up with is West Virginia, as I mentioned in my original comment, which totally should play Marshall every year.
Bottom line: Unless BSU is playing four BCS schools out of conference every year, there is absolutely no reason not to notch up a beat-down of Idaho as well.
by killtacular on Aug 2, 2025 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
not the same
KState and Kansas are in the same conference.
Does Marshall have empty seats in a 15K stadium?
The bigger question? Why is Uof I D1? Much better fit in the Big Sky.
The schedule change is being overlooked. Boise St loses 1.5 games per year—MWC has and extra conference game, and we lose the extra game every other year with Hawaii.
The MAC games were contracted 10 years ago and have extended due to their re-scheds. We won’t be playing them again either.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
I’m fine if BSU doesn’t play UI one year here or there because of scheduling conflicts or whatever. But to just reject playing your main rivalry game out of hand is dumb.
by killtacular on Aug 5, 2025 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
One last thing before I ignore this until November.
What Boise does is, in the end, up to Boise. It’s administration, it’s coach, it’s fans. While opinions and national perception may change, that should not matter in the decision Boise makes in what’s best for it’s program.
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by Loque on Jul 31, 2025 1:54 PM PDT reply actions
Saw this on SI and had to comment
I am a Penn State alum and Pitt is begging to get back on our schedule and guess what it is not going to happen for the same reasons Boise will drop Idaho. There is nothing in it for you.
If the tables were turned and there was no reason that this game would help the Vandals (recruiting, money , strength of schedule) Idaho would drop you like a hot plate and they know it.
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by PSU RAVEN on Jul 31, 2025 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
for righteousness. We all know its true.
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by BoiseState on Aug 1, 2025 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
Everyone forgets that your rival would screw you if given the opportunity.
The Vandals have no chips to gamble with—-yet continued to run their mouths.
Everyone suggests that the Vandals are taking the high road—they have no other option. Every single statement has had —-the governor/state board of ED will have to intervene.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
And he pulls this belief from what experience?
I’m guessing that Andy Staples has never been to a game in Moscow, probably didn’t know this rivalry existed, and has never personally had a “fan” vandalize his property. Otherwise he probably wouldn’t be so damn bullheaded as to suggest that a rivalry that has resulted in few positives continue for the sake of continuing. His implication that you’re not a true fan until you’ve just about had your RV tipped exposes what an idiot he is. I couldn’t care less about where this rivalry goes. I’m a Boise State fan, not an Idaho Vandal hater. But Boise State has definitely brought little brother along so far, and now they’re crying because the coat tail ride is almost over. Maybe Andy will let me break his eye-socket and not press charges because I call him my rival. You think? I don’t either. I wonder what facts he actually knows about the BSU/UofI rivalry that he didn’t pull from wikepedia. I gotta throw it out there…Andy Staples, contestant for next year’s OBNUG PE#1. What a d bag!
by ThePhlipinSituation on Jul 31, 2025 3:13 PM PDT reply actions
A few years back PSU dropped Pitt after a 98 year rivalry and Staples did not write a column, I guess it must be a slow news day.
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by PSU RAVEN on Jul 31, 2025 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Staples played college football as an O-lineman. I’m sure he’s seen plenty of nastiness from fans even if they weren’t Vandals.
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by Year2 on Jul 31, 2025 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If staples did visit....
he landed in a tiny airport and road on a bus for a couple of hours……
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Just Do Some Simple Math
What does playing Idaho offer us financially?
Traveling to their 15k seat shed probably comes close to costing us money after expenses (assuming: $20 tickets - their operating expenses - our travel expenses = not much left over).
We could easily schedule a mid tier BCS team and sell out Bronco Stadium, pump a ton of money into our program, pump a ton of money into the local economy, and give a huge middle finger to UofI (who’s treated us like BAD WORDS for as long as I can remember).
I really, honestly fail to see a downside to leaving them behind.
by MooreWalksOnWater on Jul 31, 2025 4:40 PM PDT reply actions
That middle part is the tricky one.
We’ve had trouble selling out Bronco Stadium for middle tier teams, unfortunately. (Not that we’d make more money, anyway, with what we get from that than going up to Moscow, though.)
by Egnowit on Aug 1, 2025 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions
True, but
a half full Bronco Stadium is still more $$$ than a completely full Vandal barn
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
by BoiseState on Aug 1, 2025 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
And Bronco Stadium
is almost always, if not completely full for home games. Enough said.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
by BoiseState on Aug 1, 2025 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I looked up attendance for UC Davis
Still 32k.
I know there was trouble selling out Miami OH, but it was still reported 32k.
Scheduling a mid tier BCS team for a home at home would sell out no problem and give a decent payday (better than what we would get playing at the Kibbie Shed) for a road game.
by MooreWalksOnWater on Aug 1, 2025 12:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
careful...
no selling out is a bit misleading…
All season tix and student tix are paid for whether anyone shows up or not.
parking, food, etc—lots of revenue here where ‘only’ 32k show up.
Number of tickets x higher ticket prices = more concrete for the horseshoe.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This may have died down a bit, but here's my observation.
(Before I begin, I should mention that I don’t give advice. I’m not going to suggest what you should or should not do. I’ll just share my point of view and let it be.)
First, the issues of reality and perception are separate. There are realities to the Boise-Idaho matchup (fan behavior, finances, rivalry status, strength of schedule, etc.). Any of those are valid reasons to either cancel or continue the series. The game is not a high revenue game, though it does keep that revenue within the state (which is a nice binnie). It does nothing for strength of schedule unless Idaho knocks it out one year. Fan behavior? I’ll leave that alone since I haven’t been there. It’s decidedly a rivalry.
But it’s not the realities that people outside your state are seeing; it’s the perceptions. And Staples did address the primary perception that’s going around, and it’s that Boise State sees Idaho as ‘beneath’ them, and that BSU has no trouble broadcasting that message. Reading the comments above, I can see much in the way of the realities, but that often gets drowned by the sheer emotion you have. It’s that emotion that’s getting picked up, not any underlying substantive argument.
And it conflicts with another perception: that Boise State represents the dream of every ‘little guy’ in the college football landscape. Over the last decade, Boise has proven that a team in a lesser conference can indeed pull themselves up to the level of the big, established programs. Heck, that’s the way that ESPN has been marketing you for years. That’s made college football a lot more exciting, and many people cheer for Boise simply because they’re trendy. But that vogue support disappears when Boise loses that ‘chic’ factor they’ve had.
To be honest, people outside the BSU-IU game aren’t going to care about criticisms of vulgar and coarse behavior. It’s nothing unique enough to warrant interest. (Now, if the national guard had to be called in every time you two met, then you’d have a different story on your hands. But a keyed car, a fight in the stands, and a lot of drunken slurs aren’t going to raise eyebrows.) Simply put, nobody is sympathetic toward it (whether or not they should be).
And it’s the first time that Boise has been cast into the ‘villain’ role in a national spotlight. Even if Idaho were entirely to blame for the problems between fans, it’s the Boise side of this argument that appears ill-mannered to the neutral observer. In a way, it’s a sign of respect: you’re the big dog, so the little dog gets the sympathy. And it becomes your P.R. mess.
As I said, I can see the ‘reality’ arguments. But the ‘perception’ is being driven by your emotions, not by the realities.
;-)
by Hooper on Jul 31, 2025 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
maybe the broncos
really are getting closer to the big time
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly Hooper
Boise and Kustra look like the villain because we are the big dog. Kustra’s comments make him look thin skinned because in a rivalry there is nastiness and inebriation because a strong rivalry will expose the worst of behavior; so just expect it and from both sides.
What I find interesting is Peterson’s comments have received no attention and he really said so much more than Kustra. When Peterson was asked about continuing the rivalry by traveling to Moscow he simply said “Why should we? most of their fans are in Boise anyway and our fans don’t like traveling up there.” That statement essentially tells Vandals that Boise does not need you and if you still want to get on the same field as us then you have to play by our rules. We are the big dog and we call the shots. There is no benefit to our team to travel to Moscow and play in front of 15,000 people. There is no recruiting base there, there are no extracurricular activites for Bronco fans to enjoy and they don’t enjoy that environment, the field is horrible, the Vandals add nothing to our strength of schedule, etc, etc. It was if someone asked him to start up an annual game with Idaho State. Peterson said so much without offending anyone— he is the greatest coach.
by flyfishferg on Aug 2, 2025 11:04 AM PDT reply actions
Interestingly enough,
the teams that play in 90k+ stadia probably look at Boise’s 30k+ stadium and wonder why they should play there.
by Hooper on Aug 2, 2025 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
BCS bottom feeders
I don’t really have a problem with the Texas/Alabama/OKs of the world.
I do have some issues with the teams in the bottom of each conference who don’t spend to even make a run at improvement. Minnesota/Indiana/Vandy/Baylor etc get alot more out of the system that a team like the Broncos do—-and don’t do much with it.
I think the college landscape is going to get even more expensive. The bottom half of the Big12 is giving money back to the top half. Pretty sure Alabama/Ohio State/etc are makeing a note of it.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't speak for some of them.
I do know that Vandy has a difficult time because their alumni base isn’t as enthusiastically supportive as they need for serious expansion. They also live in a city where they’re about the third or fourth most popular SEC team (behind at least Tennessee and Alabama, and likely Ole Miss). They are at a huge disadvantage in that regard.
Of course, Vandy should expand anyhow. The number of visiting fans that come would fill the stadium anyhow, giving them a bigger revenue stream. That, or use the Titans stadium for the Tennessee game. It’s only once every other year and it’d probably rake in a lot more money than their own digs.
by Hooper on Aug 2, 2025 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, I'll mention Baylor.
They need to go to C-USA or something. They only got into the Big 12 because of Ann Richards, who wouldn’t let Texas join unless Baylor was included. She also kept TCU out of the Big 12 for the same reason.
It’s time for Baylor to disappear from among the actually relevant.
by Hooper on Aug 2, 2025 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree with both comments
There isn’t any shame in deciding the chasing football is too expensive. Heaven forbid that a University actually focus on funding education.
And as a BSU fan—-I would love to see what BSU could do with the $$$ that these teams get to compete with the bigger boys.
TCU is already looking like a bigger dog. Their Ath budget is huge. They will be attractive in the next realignment.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 3, 2025 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
somebody should have
shut his mouth and got on the orange and blue airplane.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The 'BSU has become the big guy they don't like' arguement is weak
When teams say they don’t want to come to Boise, Boise State takes the feedback and:
Expands the stadium—three expansions in the past dozen years, with #4 coming soon. Hello horseshoe!
Moves to a bigger conference to make it easier to schedule better opponents.
I don’t know that Boise State resents the big schools who won’t visit—they just want to play in (and get paid for) the BCS bowls.
the UofI can complain—but NONE of the examples from other rivalries have games in a stadium that small.
by ElPepeGrande on Aug 2, 2025 4:24 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe BSU fans ought to start a charity fundraiser drive.
See if you can get enough money to initiate an expansion of the Kibbie. Best part is that you could have it named after Boise.
by Hooper on Aug 2, 2025 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
















