Report: TCU will join Big East in all sports in 2012
The bad news: The Mountain West is now the WAC. The good news: The Broncos have one less team to compete with for non-AQ BCS bids.
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every non aq team would do what utah and tcu has done.
i now put rod gilmore down with the mark may and craig james of the world.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 10:16 AM PST reply actions
why?
What’s wrong with rod? I mean other than his mustache?
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by BigBaloo on Nov 29, 2025 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
he was dissing on tcu once bsu was out of the running.
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by Grindhouse on Nov 29, 2025 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Surely you guys understand that ESPN was all about Boise because you play on their channel a lot, right?
This is not to disrespect the Broncos at all, but ESPN’s talking heads are complete douchebags, and have been for a long time. About the only college football talkie that I can stand is Herbie. The worst is Cowherd, though. He rants and raves about how non-AQs suck, without a shred of actual evidence to support him. But you guys should be aware that once you’re not on ESPN weekly next year, idiots like Gilmore will be coming after YOU.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2025 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Never like Gary Patterson
But did it seem like ESPN was saying that had Boise won on Friday, they wouldn’t have gotten the invite? And how does this strengthen the Big East? They had to move before next year for these two TCU BCS games to count. I don’t understand how adding a private school in Texas makes their conference better without the value of those BCS games?
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by BigBaloo on Nov 29, 2025 10:22 AM PST reply actions
HURRAY!
I had reservations about cheering on TCU in their bowl game. I now have a HUGE boon lifted off me so I can hope they burn in their bowl game — wherever they go to.
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by Loque on Nov 29, 2025 10:23 AM PST reply actions
actually on the sec blog they think its a temporary move until the sec invites them.
tcu has been in more conferences then any other team. division 1-a and fbs.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, hate them because they did what ANY non-AQ team would have done --
including Boise. Do you really think that if the Pac-10 or the Big 12 comes calling, Boise wouldn’t jump at the invite?
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by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2025 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, it really isn't a big thing.
TCU did indeed do what any non-AQ team would have done. They have a great shot at dominating the Big East out the gate. Their revenues will go up. They won’t have to share their state with anyone else in their conference. They get better television deals and bowl tie-ins. And they no longer have to worry about what other people do in regards to their destiny. And, if you read the rules, the Big East does get to count TCU’s record in their evaluations. See the thread at Mountain West Connection for details.
Good luck to the Horned Frogs. And Bronco Nation, try not to sweat this. Things happen. Let’s just root for our team on the field and let the rest of the politics slide. We’re all going to eventually go insane if we spend all of our time focusing on things besides the next game.
by Spyder Mayhem on Nov 29, 2025 10:24 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I just thought this (moving to the MWC) was finally the end of hearing how crappy our schedule and conference is. Playing TCU, SDSU, Air Force, Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii was going to be way better than the WAC…and now it’s only sorta, maybe a little, kinda better than the WAC…with a crappier TV deal.
by Future_Demagogue on Nov 29, 2025 10:29 AM PST reply actions
Double edged sword
You nailed it.
It sucks because it feels we’re getting left behind by Utah, BYU, and TCU.
But at the same time doesn’t it make our path to BCS bowl games even easier?
Too bad the TV deal sucks.
by Drofdarb23 on Nov 29, 2025 10:34 AM PST reply actions
if i understand this part correctly...same "weak SOS" arguements, different conference letters
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by NotsoSchizo on Nov 29, 2025 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
We are getting left behind by TCU, Utah, and BYU
We have also been around a much much much shorter period of time. It’s a process guys, we are way out in front of the normal curve for developing a 1 A program.
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by pjohn56 on Nov 29, 2025 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
actually, we are getting left behind by Utah only, the other two are more like parabolic flare pathways
—bywho will fade into nothingness with heir “notre dame of the west” battlecry
—and horny purps will not be able to sustain their agrandized dreams of resurgant national relevance
i always disliked being left behind, but if i’m starting to see this thing for what it is, then broncs are NOT getting left, only strategically delayed….
i like the idea that the other “non-aqs” finish their course trajectories into nothingness
—cougs already out of bowl contention, and will just drift farther away
—purps will no way get on top of badgers…then they’ll fade like grass on a hot day
To the right...my future brothers-in-law working hard on one of the trifecta of a Black & Gold birthright..."inebriation", yet before they acquired "nastiness" or "vandal-phrenia"
by NotsoSchizo on Nov 29, 2025 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
I am not so sure about Utah or TCU.
Both are entering into deals that will increase exposure and money and that is the fuel for a good program. After that you need a great coaching staff that can find and develop talent and a University hierarchy and AD that supports your team goals. Both Utah and TCU seem to have that as well.
TCU will have a rebuilding year next year (not sure about Utah) but I don’t think I’d write them off just yet.
I think Boise has better everything except in the money department. I’d even argue Boise St. currently has better exposure. Unfortunately, with the boatloads of money Utah is about to receive and the Exposure from an AQ birth every year TCU is about to gain, I think their road is far easier going into the future.
Boise St.’s best chance right now is to continue doing what they are and perhaps quasi mirror what FSU did decades ago. They have to play their conference schedule, after that they need to be so irresistably popular and poll strong that their OOC schedule is full of some very very good (or at least recognizable) teams.
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by pjohn56 on Nov 29, 2025 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
your team is next. i really believe that. if their is a grab for some big 12 teams i'm sure they would want you......
or when the pac-12 decides to goto 16 i’m sure you will been on the list. the big east in basketball will have 17 or 18 teams. superconferences in football are sure to follow. like that one guy said your team has had a rapid rise. it will continue.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
So umm can we just own the Non-AQ crown every year now?? I mean really, who else is left?
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by BleedBlue75 on Nov 29, 2025 10:39 AM PST reply actions
Hahaha! first time i really laughed since black friday
Yeah, NON AQ National Champs!! Third year straight!!!
To the right...my future brothers-in-law working hard on one of the trifecta of a Black & Gold birthright..."inebriation", yet before they acquired "nastiness" or "vandal-phrenia"
by NotsoSchizo on Nov 29, 2025 10:41 AM PST reply actions
they were debating on espn's college football live. boise state or a four loss uconn team n bcs bowl.
boise won easily.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
BCS bowl every year...
I don’t see Nevada beating us again anytime soon with Kaepernick graduating.
Hawaii? Fresno?
No one in the WAC? C-USA? MAC?
Yea, looks like we’ll probably have this wrapped up for the foreseeable future. No NC likely on the horizon, but plenty of BCS bowls. Eventually we can cycle through them all.
by Camrong on Nov 29, 2025 11:22 AM PST reply actions
I hope we do cycle through BCS bowls
How many other teams have done that?
by tbl2020 on Nov 29, 2025 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Still: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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by OBNUG Intern on Nov 29, 2025 11:23 AM PST reply actions
Biggest thing
Is that TCU doesn’t have to worry about losing a game or TWO or THREE or FOUR during their non-conference run and still win their conference and go to a big game! How nice would that be? Now they can go out and schedule Texas, Ohio State, Alabama and Florida for their non-conference like everyone would like Boise State to do.
Still think this is a good move for BSU, especially for BASKETBALL! San Diego State is picked to win the conference this year. UNLV is a great school with Lon Kruger, New Mexico is a great school wih Steve Alford.
Plus, it will be refreshing to play some new teams ala Air Force and Colo State where our fans can travel. San Diego State to travel is much more enticing than San Jose and their dugout sidelines.
It would have been nice to ponder Utah, TCU, BYU and BSU in their own conference though.
by blueorange101 on Nov 29, 2025 11:25 AM PST reply actions
So now basically we're trading Hawaii for Air Force
And a way worse TV deal. BSU should send a nice gift basket to the Pac12 and Big12 for Xmas.
by nerdglasses on Nov 29, 2025 12:01 PM PST reply actions
MWC & BCS AQ - 2011 Evaluation
Both TCU’s and BSU’s performance will count in the MWC’s BCS AQ evaluation in 2011. While TCU is leaving, its contribution to qualify the MWC for BCS AQ status in the 2011 evaluation will remain. I believe their status will also count for the Big East. Also, BSU’s performance will also be considered back to 2008. We should look forward to this next year and hope that both TCU and BSU crank up the numbers. If we can get the MWC into BCS AQ without Utah, BYU or TCU, we’ll be the biggest fish in the pond after 2011 and I’m thinking that’s a good thing. What say you all?
by MBB on Nov 29, 2025 12:15 PM PST reply actions
Who cares...
We all knew Boise State was going to get royally screwed in the end. That what college football is about, screwing Boise State. It was makes me really mad that Boise State has become a lighting rod in college football and yet nobody seems care about TCU. Nobody seems to mind if they make it to the title game but if Boise State were to, college football would end as we know it. Well, I guess it doesn’t matter now that TCU is becoming a big boy, and were once again stuck in a mediocre conference with a terrible T.V. deal. Awesome.
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by BSU Guru on Nov 29, 2025 12:17 PM PST reply actions
New conference
Come on Gene get on the horn with ESPN and let’s start a new conference.. :)
by kburnem on Nov 29, 2025 12:33 PM PST reply actions
Good Luck in the Little East Conference
First off let’s be honest… There is nothing big about the Big East, except for their thought that they deserve the big money that comes with the BCS bowl game. Besides that any school including Boise State I am sure would have taken the opportunity to go into a BCS conference. TCU obviously had the strong hold on this deal as the Big East only wanted TCU for football but eventually gave way for TCU to come in with all sports. They should dominate every team in the conference and be the perinial Champ!!! Good luck.
Fresno and Nevada are joining us in the MWC that same year. Now the WAC will have more to fear again.
by BNation325 on Nov 29, 2025 12:51 PM PST reply actions
Dude
Basketball is big in the East, and the Big East is at the top of the heap. Syracuse, Georgetown, Pitt, UConn…….the list goes on and on, plust they get to play the ACC regularly. This isn’t all about football.
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by spec on Nov 29, 2025 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Basketball is big...
Yes you are right basketball is big and the Big East is at the top because they have 16, so to be 17 teams in their league. THe bottom of the league is terrible but you are correct the top is very good. TCU is known for football and with football the Big East is not a power conference. I wish they would take that notion away. Also, originally the Big East wanted TCU only for football. So how did TCU strong hold this power conference?
by BNation325 on Nov 30, 2025 5:49 AM PST up reply actions
They needed us for perception more than we needed them, our AD released public statements that “We’re an Athletic Department” and we’re going to stick together- The Big East blinks first.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 30, 2025 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Uggghhhh
I literally can’t decide if the Frogs are my best friend or my mortal enemy… I’m so frustrated about the Mountain WAC. Utah bites, BYU bites, TCU bites. I think that’s my conclusion. Thanks for nothing, guys.
So long, farewell ESPN. Hello craptasic MWN. Sigh.
On a positive note, I’m seeing many more undefeated seasons and plenty of BCS bowls on the horizon.
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by Crissie on Nov 29, 2025 1:25 PM PST reply actions
Can someone explain to me the logic behind this tv deal?
Everyone agrees its bad. Iassume Bleymaier et al have some basis for doing this. What is it? ESPN was a big factor in our program’s development IMO. I’m confused.
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by tmunson on Nov 29, 2025 1:25 PM PST reply actions
ESPN deal brought viewers but didn't bring money.
I have no idea how a tv deal could bring money w/o being broadcast on lots of tvs, but I suppose exclusivity probably had something to do with it.
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by marktgarten on Nov 29, 2025 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
It's hilarious how we get screwed every way imaginable
Oh well, BCS bowling every year is good…
I hope TCU gets absolutely CRUSHED in their bowl game…
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by Jeffkills on Nov 29, 2025 1:40 PM PST reply actions
Pink truck = TCU. Go Wisconsin!!
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by Jeffkills on Nov 29, 2025 1:43 PM PST reply actions
should have been purple truck. lol.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Pile it on
After Black Friday, just the kinda of news to wake up on a Monday morning. Any shot of getting out of that crappy MTN West TV deal just went down the drain. WAC 2.0 here we come.
by idaho_techsan on Nov 29, 2025 1:45 PM PST reply actions
I saw Boise, Nevada, Hawaii all rescind our acceptances
and collapse the MWC, then we take a few teams back with us to the WAC and ESPN…
Do something for Christ’s sake!
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by Jeffkills on Nov 29, 2025 2:06 PM PST reply actions
Twitter is ablaze.
Rumor: Gary Patterson won’t be going with TCU. He’s going to Miami.
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by Mikrino on Nov 29, 2025 3:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
What????
For reals? I’m to lazy to figure out how twitter works
by abagadoba on Nov 29, 2025 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Patterson
I was just saying on another board, how I thought he would be looking to get out of Ft Worth. The U makes some sense, despite that I was just saying I thought the SEC would come calling.
by idaho_techsan on Nov 29, 2025 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Following this little white rabbit...
If Patterson did leave TCU (especially after this year), and if the new TCU coach doesn’t hold the program up to standards, then the Big East could very well earn a program that’s on par with the rest of their football schools.
After TCU’s high rankings help the MWC in AQ quals. Though at this point, I can’t see the MWC getting an exemption anymore.
by Hooper on Nov 29, 2025 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
if patterson did leave i'll bet mike leach is on top of tcu's list of coaches.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
This sucks
I’m not a Bronco, but I was looking forward to BSU and TCU in the same conference. It would be a good rivalry, it would prevent the scenario of both teams going undefeated, and it would increase both schools’ strength of schedule.
With no Utah and no TCU, it’s looking like the MWC is just WAC part 2 :-/
by scotty256 on Nov 29, 2025 3:12 PM PST reply actions
TCU (or BSU for that matter) could easily win the Big East THIS YEAR.
Who knows what happens when Dalton and co. graduate, but I suspect they’ve set themselves up to compete year-in and year-out in that up and down conference…at least in football. I think they’ll get pwned in basketball.
by Drew Roberts on Nov 29, 2025 3:36 PM PST reply actions
tcu actually has a pretty good backup. i think redshirt freshman and he is dual threat and bigger than dalton
paschall?
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 29, 2025 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think that the non-AQ BCS bid will remain in place in 2012
as there are currently only 3 reliably strong non-AQ conference teams: Utah, TCU and BSU. With only BSU remaining in 2012, in an extremely week MWC, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the BCS eliminate that rule, requiring non-AQs to get an at-large bid.
I mean, where is the interest? No one to compete against, just BSU beating the crap out of minor teams no one knows the mascot of, no TCU or Utah or even BYU to measure against…
Im not trolling btw, but I really don’t think you should count on the “pathway to the BCS bid for non-AQs” getting easier to reach, but rather it being eliminated as only 1 non-AQ would conceivably be valid to compete in the BCS. Just more incentive to get yourself ready to join the Big 12 or Pac12 ASAP
by OregonNYC on Nov 29, 2025 7:10 PM PST reply actions
I doubt that
For political reasons, it is better for the BCS system to retain one auto bid for a non-AQ conference championship which: (1) is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings; or (2) is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.
If, say, Temple goes undefeated, wins the MAC, taking out one or two teams from the Big East or Big 10, is ranked #10 and gets passed over by a two-loss AQ conference team, there would be a lot of pressure on the system. It’s like this: you give restive workers a social security program so they don’t become bomb-throwing revolutionaries. Giving the 50 non-AQ schools a chance at a big money bowl is better than holding endless congressional hearings or losing a lawsuit.
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by marktgarten on Nov 29, 2025 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
can't blame 'em
but I still wanna kill ’em.
Look, they’re gonna dominate the Big East - plain and simple. That conference sucks, and TCU does not. They get an auto-bid, more credibility, more money and better recruits out of the deal. Who in their right mind wouldn’t jump on that??
But at the same time, I would’ve rather been fighting them every year for a BCS bowl berth… kinda like our own little championship game. Maybe we could’ve eventually had an auto-bid with them in the fold too.
Oh well… we are now, indefinitely, the kings of the non-AQ’s, and we’ll no doubt see many, many more BCS bids because of it. Hopefully that equals better facilities, more recruits, et al.
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by howiestheman on Nov 29, 2025 10:34 PM PST reply actions
Next year looks great for us, but what comes after...?
We start at Georgia and play a presumably ranked TCU squad. Let’s say San Diego State, AF, and some other teams maintain some semblance of a pulse…a schedule we can maneuver quite well, I think, with Moore at QB, Doug at RB slaying fools and with not a lot of drop off from Swyk (Crawford), Jeron (Iaone), and Titus Young (Hiwat has TY speed and AP height…just needs chemistry w Moore). I think next year we start out ranked fairly high and coast into a BCS bowl. I see TCU competing but not at the same level as the last few years, so the original point of us having less competition is, I think, valid. My concern comes in after next year. We are graduating a LOT of seniors next year. Moore, Doug, McClellin, Winn…to name a few. And while I like the looks of some of our commits (Ajiyi, Worthy, etc)…I just don’t know. Hedrick intrigues me as a replacement to Moore, but Southwick doesn’t quite seem to have it. Way too many turnovers in too few reps.
I guess as long as we have Pete, we have hope…
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by ragejunkie.56 on Nov 29, 2025 11:54 PM PST reply actions
Heard it before...
I have heard that before. sounds like what was being said after bearing Oklahoma, and again when Ian Johnson graduated. the team may not and probably won’t go undefeated every year, but the coaches seem to thrive on finding unrealised and overlooked recruits, and in putting them in the best position to succeed.
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by NighthawkWatch on Nov 30, 2025 6:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
One difference though
I fear not being on ESPN anymore will be a huge blow to recruiting, now that BYU/Utah/TCU have bailed the MWC.
by nerdglasses on Nov 30, 2025 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Not So Much...
Not playing on ESPN didn’t seem to hurt TCU much (if at all). Boise was getting quality athletes for their system before they busted the BCS the first time. Until the last year or two, Boise didn’t appear on ESPN more than once or twice a year. They did well before ESPN found them to be a cash cow, and they’ll do well without ESPN.
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by NighthawkWatch on Nov 30, 2025 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
i think sdsu is a sleeping giant. their 8-4 record is deceiving b/c two of their losses came from a byu game fu-kup call
and they lost to mizzou on 70 yard dash to endzone at the end of the game. brady hoke did very well at ball state and now he can have another good recruiting class. they have lindley (qb)coming back along with their top rb who was a freshman.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 30, 2025 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
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