Uh are we staying or going
by Jesterrace on Feb 9, 2012 3:42 PM PST
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Okay, CBS Sports is giving me a headache. Kustra stated that we wouldn't go to the BE in 2012 given a scheduling nightmare but now there are new reports that the option is being looked into. As long as we can get the scheduling set both in the WAC and the Big East and then get help from the Big East with our early exit fees it would probably be beneficial overall.
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/34773204
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I hope we're going
that would be freaking awesome
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
The only fear I have left is
all the rebuilding with the loss of 3 coaches and so many players/positions.
I still think we would be the favorites to win the conference.
We could have 3-4 losses, win the conference, and still go to the Orange Bowl…
by ce'sped azul on Feb 9, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at it this way:
3-4 losses is still good enough to win the Big East and get into a BCS Bowl. And even if we lose more than that (which I doubt will happen), the Big East’s lesser bowl tie-ins are still A LOT better than the Mountain Worst’s.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
what these other guys said
we can reload in a pretty good conference, lose 2 or 3 games, win said conference and still go the a BCS game. Plus, if I’m not mistaken, we’ll even get a bigger cut of money from the BCS bowl, since we’ll now be a BCS team.
where’s the problem?
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Correct, check out these multipliers...
Multiplier #1: AQ Cut. The amount we get is SIGNIFICANTLY, even criminally, larger than a Non AQ cut, win or lose.
Multiplier #2: BCS Money is split only among the Big East schools that have football programs
Multiplier #3: The Big East isn’t into Equal Revenue sharing like the PAC-12 and some other AQ conferences. The Big East does a tiered distribution system when it comes to BCS money, with the BCS representative taking the lion’s share as I understand it.
This really is like a rags to riches story and the Big East represents the smallest amount of average revenue of the AQ conferences. It’s ridiculous how much money these schools rake in and that we have been able to stand toe to toe with them at all. It speaks to the foundations and principals of our program. That’s why trolls are losing this battle. They think we’ll just disappear into the night, they have no idea how much better than most of their favorite teams we really are. We’ve been fighting with one arm tied behind our backs and winning…the cuffs are about to come off now.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Feb 9, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
God
Reading this just made me tremendously excited for us to change conferences ASAP! It’s what I’ve been feeling and thinking all along, nice to hear someone else say the same thing
by USAFBronco on Feb 12, 2012 3:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Looking at the title of this post,
It reminds me of Jimmy Durante’s famous schtick from The Man Who Came to Dinner. If you’ve never seen it, here’s the clip (only 26 seconds).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-zmJ1VCQI
I’m hoping Dr. Kustra and the Broncos go with Jimmy’s final statement : “I go!”
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.
I think...
the Big East is willing to pay our exit fee. If not, there is no way we should leave. I don’t think Kustra will be willing to leave if they don’t.
'If you see me bleeding blue, you know I'm Ok.'
Money Talks
The Big East will get $11M from West Va. and $9M from the Big XII for letting WVa leave in 2012. What will it cost to leave the MWC this year?
So they can just...
Pass that BigXII money on to us right? haha hopeful wishes…
"Moore took a knee. It was an act of mercy. Boise State didn't need style points. It had proven itself the superior program long before." - Andy Staples, SI.com
Big East
The Big East could pay the fee to get Boise in 2012. The problem will be who pays the cost of cancelling your games so you can play Big East teams this year? The devil is in the details.
Speaking of boobs
So all your open dates will fit perfectly with the current Big East members open dates? You won’t have to cancel a single OOC game? I’ll bet you are wrong.
Here I’m being civil and you call me a name?
Actually yes. BSU would get WVU's schedule which almost mirrors BSU's exactly except for one date
Looking at FBSchedules.com, all eight schools, including BSU, have weeks 7, 9, 12, 14, and 15 open. All but three have 10, 11, and 13. All but four have week 2 and week 5. All but two have week 8. And all but three have week 6. There is plenty of room to make things work.
Yea,
I believe as long as the move happened before the release of the MWC schedule we’re in the clear.
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
Cowboy, thank you for the civil post
See, you can participate without saying something nasty about the Broncos. My compliments.
Señor Chef
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.
by SeniorChief on Feb 10, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
Civilty
Most all my posts have been civil. But sometimes seeing all the self-promotion and refusal to look at things realistically in here just drives me to the edge.
Uh huh
No other fans but us self-promote. Right. And who appointed you as arbiter of looking “at things realistically” again? If we’re so unrealistic, why do you come here at all? Masochism?
Time is the great equalizer.
Ah come on guys, AlaCowboys not so bad,
I found that he’s a good ole boy from the south, you just have to get used to his humor.
“Shady dismissal”, I still can’t say that without laughing. haha
Besides, we can use someone from the SEC to keep us on our toes. Right? He’s used to those brutal Georgia, Gator, Bama bloggers. He probably needs a break once in awhile.
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
sides that, he can fish.
Anybody that drools over crappie is ok by me. Too bad we didn’t know that about him a few months back when he got so much….uh crappie.
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
Sometimes,
a troll accusation investigation takes time. lol (-;
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
You mean you wouldn't prefer Fisheries Dawg?
TIDE11 was usually good to have around…
"Nobody likes it"
"I'm tired of even the BCS name"
"The whole thing needs to be changed."
-Coach Pete on the BCS.
by NYBroncosFan on Feb 11, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
The TIDE 11 will roll in next fall.
He knows he’s welcome, and he won’t be able to take it. FD, not so much.
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
If the BE pays the exit fee and doesn't touch our revenue w/ them then it is best to get while the gettin's good
Get that AQ money, get into good bowl games against respected opponents where we have a chance to cement our reputation, and get that national level exposure now. No one knows how this thing ends when the music stops and the influx of cash would help mightily with stadium/facility upgrades and coaching salaries.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I like it, Big East ahoy!
I’d imagine with “the Hair” possibly jumping ship as the MWC’s Commish Dr. Kustra won’t have any feelings of loyalty left.
by ThePhlipinSituation on Feb 9, 2012 5:35 PM PST reply actions
This is what I've been saying. Kustra is playing politics.
He says that he “can’t imagine how it could be done” and then let the BE come up with the idea on how to do it.
The WAC....
Is ready to accommodate 2012 and 2013. 1 step forward.
Haha. I’m getting excited.
'If you see me bleeding blue, you know I'm Ok.'
If West Virginia leaves were out a here!
The Big East is going to need a big name to replace the Mounaineers just to keep the popularity of the conference.
I don’t think they will hesitate to dole out the money to help with the buyout. They know they will get a return on it.
Kustra is just trying to keep it low key and not get everyone’s hopes up to be dashed.
Thats my thought.
Our exit fee was going to be $5 million next year correct?
'If you see me bleeding blue, you know I'm Ok.'
When to leave?
I say leave this year and ask the Big East to front a “loan” for the cost of the penalty fee. Get one like the BXII is giving WVa. They’re “loaning” them $10M and asking for $1M a year for 5 years and they’ll forgive the other $5M.
I think I’ll call my bank and ask for a “Big XII” loan.
My team?
University of Georgia, Class of 1968. I gave up on Pro football after the 3rd or 4th strike, I forget which one. College basketball, I like all teams. The college game beats the NBA for teamwork and enthusiasm any day.
maybe it means he wrangles bama oinkers?
or he is a chef…?
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
What's in a name?
I live in Alabama, and raise and train horses. So I’m an Alabama Cowboy. There’s more to the origin of the name. Maybe I’ll tell you when you come down and we go fishing.
Gave up Pro Football?
I thought I was the only one. I used to watch it in the late 80s, early 90s and then lost interest. I tried to follow it this year and was repeatedly disgusted by poor sportsmanship. Only a select few players stood out as being both talented and classy in the NFL.
Waaay too much me me me in the NFL.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Feb 13, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I’d be happy to be a $60-$100K a year bench warmer in the NFL. My house would be paid for in no time and I could get to see games up close for free.
The 7.5 to 9 million is if we leave early.
Weren’t we going to pay an exit fee regardless. Whether we left early or not?
'If you see me bleeding blue, you know I'm Ok.'
I believe so.
Im not sure if there was some kind of a time limit that that fee would be reduced but never the less were still going to have to pay the buy out fee since were leaving the conference early.
So...
we’ll probably dish out at least $7 million then?
'If you see me bleeding blue, you know I'm Ok.'
My understanding is
that if we left after giving one year’s notice (so a 2013 inaugural Big East year) the exit fee is a flat $5M and that is all, revenue plays no role.
If we left w/o giving one year’s notice (so a 2012 inaugural Big East year) the exit is the standard $5M Exit Fee + 3 times the revenue earned from 2011. When we thought we were going to get a BCS Bowl that formula would have equaled around $21M due to the BCS Bowl revenue. Since we went to the Las Vegas Bowl, that number is lurking around $8M or $9M.
It looks like we might leave w/o giving notice, but since that is at the Big East’s very urgent request, we anticipate them paying our exit fee of $8M or $9M. If we serve the one year’s notice and enter the Big East in 2013 we will pay our own $5M exit fee.
That’s why I advocate going to the BE this year IF they will pay our exit fee. We, in essence, would make $5M (since we wouldn’t be paying the 2013 standard exit fee ourselves) PLUS whatever revenue we grossed in the Big East this season that was over what we would have made in the MWC. That’s like winning a bet with a multiplier applied.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Feb 9, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for communicating all the facts in an easy manner
The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight
by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Feb 19, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Then again however,
there is the question of whether we would have to pay the exit fee at all, when the MWC dissolves next year. I believe a good lawyer could eliminate the exit fee all together, considering BSU never received their benefit of improving their SOS. What possible other logical benefit did BSU sign a contract with the MWC, other than to be in the same conference as BYU, Utah, & TCU, and form an AQ caliber conference. It certainly isn’t the TV exposure. And again, why are we joining the Big East? Same reason.
It shouldn’t cost BSU $5 million, to leave a conference that never held up their end of the contract, and is now creating a new disaster with Conf. USA. We gave up wearing our blue uni’s for what?
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
If this winds up happening, and then we win out next season with a "replacements" squad, it would cement Coach Pete as the greatest coach ever...
and leave no doubt that BSU is, and has been , an elite powerhouse that belongs in the halls of the Pac12 or Big12.
I mean beat the Big East, as weak as it is, plus MSU, BYU, So.Miss, and whatever fifth OOC we get? Hey, I can dream can’t I?
I believe he already is.
Thou I don’t believe he would be awarded that name just yet. Us being in the Big East is still ammo for the haters. I believe he would have to at least win 3 or more Titles to even be considered.
'If you see me bleeding blue, you know I'm Ok.'
yes, but payable over a period of time...3 seasons I think
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
So doe's this mean we start looking forward to the Orange Bowl?
Isn’t that where the BE champion usually play.
The BE champ plays wherever the last selection BCS Bowl is traditionally
because they are not appealing. The Orange Bowl has had a tradition of selecting the BE Champ (regardless of if they had last selection or not), if the BE Champ is reasonably appealing that year, but it is due to geographical proximity.
Look for the same thing to play out for the duration of this BCS structure, but if we win the BE I’d expect the Orange Bowl to pass and the Fiesta Bowl to select due to proximity.
Hope that made sense, I know what I’m trying to say but not sure I explained it correctly lol.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
That's pretty clear
If I recall correctly didn’t Pitt and WV both play in the Fiesta or did Pitt play Utah in the Sugar.
Utah played Pitt in the Fiesta.
They played ’Bama in the Sugar.
by Rand McNalley on Feb 10, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
They did both
Utah beat Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl (2005) and Alabama in the Sugar Bowl (2009)
Big East's BCS history is
1998 season – Syracuse to Orange vs Kansas State (last selection)
1999 – Virginia Tech to Sugar vs Florida State (BCS championship game)
2000 – Miami to Sugar vs Florida
2001 – Miami to Rose vs Nebraska (BCS championship game)
2002 – Miami to Fiesta vs Ohio State (BCS championship game)
2003 – Miami to Orange vs Florida State
2004 – Pitt to Fiesta (last selection) vs Utah [first year after ACC raid 1]
2005 – WVU to Sugar (last selection) vs Georgia [first year with dedicated championship game; Orange changed from their choice of Big East champ or ACC champ to automatically taking the ACC champ]
2006 – Louisville to Orange vs Wake Forest
2007 – WVU to Fiesta vs Oklahoma
2008 – Cinci to Orange (last selection) vs Virginia Tech
2009 – Cinci to Sugar (last selection) vs Florida
2010 – UConn to Fiesta (last selection) vs Oklahoma
2011 – WVU to Orange (last selection) vs Clemson
I would like anything to get away from this 2 feet of snow
I know it’s not bowl season but Miami would be nice right now!
The 51 degree weather in Boise today feels pretty good
by BSUbluNorange on Feb 10, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Does this Option really help the Big East?
Just looking at the Big East’s desire to increase the TV deal, wouldn’t it benefit them to have BSU there as quickly as possible and for us to be as successfull as possible? Lookng at our TV ratings for the VT and Georgia games, as well as the national following we have recieved for the BCS games we were invited to, wouldn’t a successfull BSU substantially help the big East in securing a bigger TV contract than a lame duck WV? And additionally, wouldn’t our sucess in the transition, by continuing our dominating methods further soldify the value of the big east to the TV partners in that contract thus increaseing the overall revenue to all parties involved? So question for the Big East is; 1. Does the cost of paying the 9 million for BSU’s buyout, plus any additional expenses for having to reschedule the Olympic Sports in the WAC outweigh the potential revenue that a powerful BSU football team, with excellent TV ratings, bring a greater overall and longer term revnue to benifit the long term health and financial well being of the Big East as a whole.
My thoughts are that the TV deal will be bigger if we can jump in right away and show the TV people that we are not just an Excellent NON BCS school, but an Excellent Football program overall, that will bring about greater revenue for them as shown by our TV ratings for the big games we play. The Big East needs us to Win the conference, and play in the BCS bowl game because we bring a level of credibility that the other schools don’t, that of the past performance over the last 10 years. They need us to show that the Big East is relevant, it’s champion plays in a well watched BCS game, not the lowest rated BCS game each year.
by AdaminFL on Feb 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Over the last 10 years? huh?
I don’t want to be debbie downer, but I don’t think I’d expect the BE to foot the entire bill. WVU and the Big 12 kinda set the precedent. Let’s not kid ourselves the move would be mutually beneficial, would it not? The BE will probably put up a decent chunk 5 or 6 million, I would think.
For the record I’d really like to see you guys in the conference this season.
Cards, I think Adam is referring to the fact
that Boise State is the winningest college football program in the nation over the past decade.
http://collegefootball.about.com/od/schools/a/Winningest-College-Football-Programs-Of-The-2000s.htm
But I should let him speak for himself.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.
Not trying to bash Boise.
My point was just that over the last 10 years the BE has had plenty of relevancy, despite what ESPN would have you believe. Prior to about 2008 there was consistently at least 1 BE team in the top 10 and usually a handful in the top 25.
As for why the BE has been going downhill, that’s a whole different ugly story.
Understand, Cards
And we appreciate that you’re not a troll. Like Louisville and the BE, the Broncos have had to fight for the perception of “relevancy.” Let’s hope that we can begin to put that to rest. I hope your team wins a lot of games (always enjoyed playing the Cardinals) except, of course, for that game.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.
I hope that the new blood
will inject some fire into the BE (both old and new), I was definitely rooting for Louisville and Cincy in this year’s bowl games.
I don't want to Bash the Big East
But you have to admit having one more top ten team yearin and year out will only help us all. The biggest knock on the Big East is the years when an sub top 15 conferece champion went to the BCS bowl, even though the overall conference had more strength and depth than others.
I am just stating thatBSU has a very winning football program, IF we had put up the last ten years of number in the Big East, the BIG east would not be losing teams to other confereces. The big East needs a few Football power schools to go with the either basketball schools or well balanced schools. Like in the early years with Miami. The really idea of my post, is that the Big East’s premier games are not getting the TV ratings that will help to drive the TV contract that all members of the conference want. IF BSU can get the ratings in the Big East they we have been able to get for the Georgia, VT, Oregon games, that would be a signifcant driver in the negotiations for the new TV deal. The better the projected ratings, the more money we all will get. If there is a year of actual data to use, where BSU came in and continued to attract the TV viewers like they have in the past few years, it would only increase the overall value of the TV deal, and the general revenue to the programs that participate. Not saying I think it would be a walk in the park, but I am saying that OUR conference needs a Power team that will give more respect to the group, I’d like it to be BSU, I am sure that you would like it to be your school, Hopefully it could be BOTH, and we will have a meaningful Conference Championship game between two top ten teams. This will push our overall revenue in the TV deals…
Great point Adam!
I recall the BE being very relevant when the Canes were shooting for National Titles, Va. Tech was a tough win, and it didn’t matter what the rest of the league looked like.
Under that history lesson, I wonder if it benefits BSU and the Big East more to take the Seminole game regardless. If ESPN is looking for incentive, watching a Boise St. team compete in both Sparky and Chief Osceola’s houses would provide plenty. OFC, the onus would be on us to be competitive and that might be hard to do in year one unless Southwick just shocks the BW out of everybody and lights Spring Practice up.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I could care less about practice
I know that is how they select the QB but I have heard plenty of things about how well people practice. What I care about is how they actually perform on the field.
Actually,
Kellen wasn’t pick until Aug.
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
I think it's very likely that Louisville,
and possibly Cinci, are out the door right after WVU. Conferences can always be rebuilt but this one will be almost a 100% turnover…a brand new conference with an old name.
Among the watershed of concerns that brings, if I had to guess I’d say the balance of political power will shift almost entirely to the basketball schools if WVU, Louisville, and Cinci join Syracuse and Pitt with the possibility of UCONN and Rutgers following suit if the opportunity presents itself. Then, with the Big East going after programs that have good Bball but crap football (Memphis over Temple or ECU), it could be that we really have joined a “Basketball Conference”. That’s a problem because A) Basketball never has and never will pay the bills and B) our team isn’t part of it.
Obviously, this is a leap we have to take but it seems like we’ve been living on the chopping block these past two years, trying to find a seat before the music stops and there’s a real chance it may not happen for us…and that’s a shame.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
well, if Louisville leaves and the non-football schools bolt to start their own conference soon after
… which I think is likely, then the Big East really ought to let the non-football conference have the Big East name. Georgetown, St. John’s, and Villanova are a lot more ‘Big East’ than USF and Boise State.
I could care less who gets the name, that's not even on my radar.
There is a whole lot more going on than that from a BSU fan’s perspective.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
That's a really good point.
It’s kinda messed up, but the truth is you don’t have much choice. You have to follow the money. Same thing if we got an invite to the Big 12.
ESPN is the one pulling the strings. They control the “perception” of a conference through their broadcasts and they decide the “value” of a conference with their contracts. Here’s a really good article on how ESPN maintains “the order”. Their success is tied to the conferences they invest the most money in, they make sure to get a return on their investment.
The truth is it’s really hard for a program to compete with other programs making more money. Right now Charlie Strong is the longest tenured coach in the BE, and he’s only been here 2 seasons! The bad coaches get fired. The good coaches get drawn away to programs that can offer more money and exposure.
That’s one thing that’s really impressive about Boise, that you’ve been able to keep winning in a non power conference. But you were also pretty lucky that you were able to promote a good head coach from within your own program.
by Cards86 on Feb 10, 2012 5:43 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That was an awesome article that shed some light into the shadow games everyone knows are going on.
Getting Petersen as a fairly new OC, promoting him to HC, and then finding out he don’t tick like most people and wants to build something here was probably the best thing that ever happened to the football program and has to be Top 10 for the University as the success of the football team has been the driving factor in the expansion of the school as far as I can tell.
Boise St. was moving fast prior to Petersen, both in football and as an institution, but Pete kicked it into overdrive.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Or took it to the next level..
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
I'm just venting here, but I want Boise St. in the PAC-12 so bad I can almost taste it,
and that’s a weird thing for me to say after years of disdain for the PAC (pretty much my whole life until I wound up out west). I feel BSU would be up to PAC-12 academic standards far sooner than they think based on how this school has been managed and improved on what amounts to a starvation diet of funds.
The SEC has dominated b/c of the ridiculous amount of talent in that area and b/c their coaches know how to game plan an actual football game as opposed to a circus. The PAC-12, for years, was so anxious to be on the cutting edge and exciting that they forgot how to control the clock, run the ball, and play defense. The one team that didn’t, USC, had terrific success.
But now, the writing’s on the wall and everything comes full circle eventually. The PAC-12 is bringing in the most money per school, bringing in better coaches, has its own network, and is learning to compete on a National level. The SEC lags behind both the PAC-12 and the B1G in amount per school and is currently locked out of starting it’s own network for sometime. The B1G should jump ahead soon since re-negotiations are coming up, but the PAC-12 lies in a far more talent rich zone geographically.
My gosh, what a potentially outstanding lineup with USC coming back under Lane Kiffin, Oregon steamrolling under Chip Kelly, Boise St. developing into a juggernaut under Chris Petersen, Washington seeing steady improvement under Steve Sarkisian, and potentially Washington St. under Mike Leach. Those are all good coaches who know how to build programs and will be given near unlimited resources to do so. I believe that lineup has the chance to eclipse the SEC as the most powerful collection of football teams in the country.
It would fit about as perfectly as Cinderella’s slipper if we could just simply do enough to show we are worth the risk and a good investment.I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Ideally
it’s where BSU belongs with the Big 12 being next in line. Geographically it is the conference that makes the most sense. Alas so many things would have to fall into place for the PAC12 to pick us up that it isn’t funny.
1) The Boise area would need about another 400,000-500,000 people
2) A boost in doctorate programs and research facilities (a big one)
3) At least another $300 mil in endowments
4) The PAC 12 would need to be ready to expand at the same time that all of the aforementioned came together. Keep in mind that the PAC12 won’t expand again until they get some big name school with a large media market/research facilities.
"The Boise area would need about another 400,000-500,000 people"
The criteria now for Pac 12 membership is a population of 1.1 million? Wow.
Pullman, WA, home of Washington State University, had a 2010 population of 29,799 (U.S. Census). Metro Pullman population: 42,670. Hmm. Not quite a million.
Driving distance, Spokane to Pullman, is about 76 miles, so I guess they could draw from the Spokane area. But the Spokane Metro population (defined by the Census as Spokane County) is 471,221. Hmm. Still shy of a mill. But that doesn’t count the discouraged Vandal fans from across the border (all 139 of them).
(By the way, the Boise Metropolitan population of 2010 is listed as 616,561.)
I’m not disputing what you say, and Wazoo is probably grandfathered, anyway. But I’m not convinced that 1 million+ is a requirement. Especially when everyone knows that one Bronco fan is worth four of anyone else’s team. ;-)
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What I was trying to say
is that we would need a significant potential media market to add more to our appeal to the PAC12 and with those kinds of numbers we would qualify as a significant potential media market, thereby adding to what we have to offer to a big conference such as the PAC 12. I know about WSU and Oregon State in and of themselves not being significant media markets but like you mentioned they are grandfathered.
From what I read,
a while back (I don’t have time to get all my references) was that the Big 8,12,9? & the Pac 12 like the doctorate programs available, unless your originally an A&M, or Tech. TCU probably squeaked in as a “religious” U.
I’m pretty sure money is involved, but most Universities home towns don’t have to be that big. Their fan bases are nationwide, or at least regional.
Its just my opinion, but if BSU would be a shoe in for the Pac 12 or 14, if they had a School of Law, Med, or both. Or they designated themselves an A&M or Tech.
Eventually it will all come together. A lot of these schools have been pumping out Doctors & Lawyers for over a hundred years. Not that Boise St grads aren’t, they just have to go somewhere else to do it. Jesterrace brought that up & I had done a little research on that concept a few weeks ago, so I’m just throwing my 1 cent in.
The way I see it, that 100 year history doesn’t mean they’re more prestigious, it only means they started their Law & Med schools when a scalpel, slab, a warm bucket of water, and a Bible, were state of the art. lol Now days, its next to impossible to fund an upstart Med or Law school. Hopefully an expanded stadium, and a lucrative TV/Big East deal will head BSU down that path. Until then, I like BSU just the way it is. (-;
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Boise is also a larger media market...
than Eugene. Boise’s DMA is 113, Eugene’s is 121. Nielsen doesn’t even rank Pullman or Corvallis… ouch!
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True
but then again Eugene isn’t that far from Portland. The point I was trying to make is that if we had all of the other items I listed AND a 1 million plus potential media market in the treasure valley it would make us that much more appealing to the PAC 12, rather than some other BCS team.
I believe the reason we won't get invited is because of recruiting
We pull a lot of kids from California now and I think that pisses a lot of administrators off enough to say no.
When all of the PAC 12 schools are trying to recruit the same kids and then some po dunk school with a winning tradition, blue turf, great academics, clean air and let alone an overall great place to live tries to steal thier thunder the good ol boys don’t like it.
We have good academics...
BUT we lack graduate programs. THAT is what is keeping us out of the PAC-12 and other places. WE have very few Doctoral Programs because they are other places, and the State BOE will only fund one, if that! I went to FL for Law school because If I had to move 6-7hours away for Law school, I might as well make it a 6 hour flight and live by the beach! BSU needs about 20 more doctoral programs, and add a Medical school, and youd see us in the PAC 12. Ask Utah. They are in after their Med school and Law School gain relevance in the region.
by AdaminFL on Feb 11, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd,
I think I just repeated what you said, just from a different perspective. However, your personal experience, pretty much supports my theory.
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Academics? Really!?
In my humble opinion, the academics argument against BSU is more puffery than substance. The real issue is money, i.e., media share. The only reason BSU was invited to the Big East is its potential to draw TV viewers and boost the conferences BCS ratings.
The other realignments that have occurred do not seem to stress academics, although they pay lip service to it.
It is time for the NCAA to do its job and take control. NCAA 1-A football is embarassing in its greed. The NCAA has allowed a conglomerate of power conferences to run roughfshod over the rest of the programs.
true
I am just looking at the previous additions to the Pac 12 and that is what they stressed… (Utah has a lot more doctoral programs as does Colorado) However, when traditional rivalries, geographic rivalries and common sense are trumped by the BCS and likely Billions of dollars, it seems to me that the amature status of NCAA football might be in question, and the NCAA needs to step in and disect the issue, restore the College to football, and knock the Conference out of it…
It's not basic academics
It’s that the PAC12 likes big research universities with large facilities. Let’s be honest Boise State doesn’t come close to any of the schools in the PAC 12 in that respect, especially when you look at research budgets/facilities.
Agreed,
remember sundevil555 (or something like that) He said he did his undergrad work at BSU, and his graduate studies at ASU, that’s all. He loves both schools. Pac 12 doesn’t like there schools having to share. lol
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Hmm
Well it looks as if one more obstacle is out of the way. It’s official that WVU is off for the Big 12 this year.
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/34834816
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