"The kids sometimes try too hard, and it’s not fun," he said. "When anybody is having fun in their job, recreating, whatever, that’s what it’s all about. We started way back because this game used to be fun — it used to be fun to coach, still isn’t, but hopefully it’s fun to play. When the game is tight at the end there, we can see it. A lot of it’s not fun. ‘We’ve gotta win. We’ve gotta win.’ No, we just need to do the process correctly, we need to fight and we need to support each other and we need to have fun. It’s very easy to cross that line, and then everything changes."