Conference realignment, Boise State, and you: The open rumor thread [UPDATED]
by Kevan Lee on Sep 20, 2011 8:57 AM PDT
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The White House in the above picture is college football. The alien warship shooting its alien laser represents an amalgam of realignment, money, TV contracts, good old boys, and the state of Texas. Will Smith, not pictured, is you. Conclusion: It's too late to save college football, but you still have that Men in Black thing going for you.
A lot has happened over the past couple days and a lot will happen over the next couple. Consider this your hitching post for realignment conversation. Share links, share theories, share memories. I'll do my best to update this thing with important news and answer any questions.
Question No. 1: What is going to happen to Boise State and the Mountain West (but mostly Boise State)?
First things first, the Broncos have not been invited to a new conference, nor have they applied to a new conference.
Second things second, the Mountain West is preparing for some wild wheeling and dealing should things come to a head.
Craig Thompson has been in discussions with the Big East and Big 12 and Conference USA about contingency plans for his Mountain West conference to ensure that the MWC and its member institutions not get left in the dust. Here are some of his ideas:
- A Mountain West - Conference USA football-only merger. Details are murky because details do not yet exist, but in theory, each conference would have 12 teams (the MWC currently has 10) and conference winners would meet in a championship game at the end of the year. Thompson called it a "federation," which may mean we all need to start wearing armbands and saluting one another.
- Poaching homeless schools from the remnants of the Big East and/or Big 12. The Bigs would prefer to combine into a single Big 12 East conference should things come to it, but Thompson figures it never hurts to ask.
- Getting TCU back. The Horned Frogs will leave for the Big East next year, provided there is a Big East to leave to.
The MWC-CUSA merger would be an ideal option if it would mean an automatic berth into the BCS. Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports explores that option in a blog post that says a lot without saying very much. The Orlando Sentinel says a lot more in this one sentence:
According to Sentinel sources, the BCS board of directors has suggested that to continue operating, it needs six automatic qualifying conferences.
If the Big 12 and Big East merge, that would leave only five AQ conferences, and the sixth might be the new MWC-CUSA.
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Things we know for sure
- Texas A&M will join the SEC
- Syracuse and Pitt will join the ACC
Additionally, Oklahoma and Texas are thinking about the Pac-12, West Virginia is thinking about the SEC, and all this could have change in the time it took to write this sentence.
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Updates ...
Stargate Thursday, September 22, 8:15 a.m.
Boise State is considered for Big East expansion for about two minutes
But then the Big East remembers that air mattresses are the gateway drug to sex parties, and the whole thing gets called off.
Stargate Wednesday, September 21, 8:15 a.m.
The Pac-12 will not expand due to Texas's blind love for money
P12 commish Larry Scott announced that Texas was not open to equal revenue sharing and therefore the Pac-12 was not open to Texas. Now we all get to do this superconference thing again in another two months.
The Big East considers Air Force and Navy, which would be a very Big East thing to do
Having lost Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC, the Big East needs football teams for its very fragile grip on an automatic BCS berth. Solution: Military schools. If you can't beat them on the field, make them feel guilty for not being willing to die for our freedom.
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Your turn
What are your thoughts on realignment? Any theories to throw out there? Where do you want to see Boise State end up? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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No
We are not Notre Dame, BYU, or the Service Academies. We have some national cache…but not that much. In 100 years we might….
Good Night. Game Over. Drive Home Safely.
by MiketheTransplant on Sep 20, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Heck to the no
We’re good were we’re at, feels nice to kick back and watch the lasers coming out of the sky. Hopefully those lasers force some teams (TCU) back into our fold
by BSUbluNorange on Sep 20, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
God, I am sick of this
I don’t want to have to spend time thinking about conference realignment anymore.
I want to think about who’s beating who. Upsets. Road trips. Favorites. Filled stadiums. Wins and losses. Mind blowing plays. Broken coverages. Last second comebacks. You know… the actual games. The rest of this just gets in the way. Takes time and energy away from everyone who loves college football. Time that could be better spent talking about the stuff that is happening on the field.
Wake me when it’s over.
I have attended every home Boise State football game since 1992. 129 games and counting.
by JasonHaberman on Sep 20, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd.
Also, I don’t think we’re going anywhere. It would be awesome if a play-in game with CUSA would result in an automatic bid to the BCS each year, but I seriously doubt that happens.
My opinion – conferences should be no more than 12 teams, determined regionally. We should be playing schools based in Oregon, Washington, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and Nevada, for example. Every conference names its champs and they play through the month of December in playoffs where the highest rated teams in the polls get home field advantage until the final 4 which is played at a neutral site. Not typical Boise St. neutral site, actual neutral site. Hell, I’ll even go with Glendale, Pasadena, Miami, and Dallas, just to make it nice for all of us who live where it’s cold and would like to have somewhere warm to go in January.
Of course, what I stated above absolutely will not happen, as it is actually a fair way to determine a champion rather than a vast (and probably illegal) money making scheme.
"I don’t need a dictionary, I have an ipad, and an expensive large university education." - hrman7
"They're part pep rally, part freak show..." - Jim Rome, on Bronco Nation
by reflectivity on Sep 20, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like the idea of Baylor and Oklahoma State joining the MWC, while TCU stays.
Even though this wasn’t outlined anywhere except in my imagination.
OSU goes...
…where the Sooners go. In other words, they ain’t joining the MWC. Baylor may be a more likely candidate if TCU decides to stay.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I Don't See TCU Staying
It’s not just about the BCS money. It’s about the TV deals. The Bigs have too much on the line to let things die. They won’t just dissolve. They will combine if it comes to that, and TCU fits too nicely in the west side of things to ditch it all.
"Maybe we should chug on over to Mamby-Pamby-land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you, you Jackwagon!"
See my post below
I think the BCS will finally die, but it’s not going to do us much good.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The Humongous
I say the MWC, B12-5, CUSA, and football playing members of the BE combine into a super league with a new name….THE HUMONGOUS. Screw the Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, and the Vandals!
Good Night. Game Over. Drive Home Safely.
by MiketheTransplant on Sep 20, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions
How would the MEC / C-USA championship game happen?
If the MWC and the C-USA divisions each play each other at the end of the year for the MWC and C-USA championships then how could we play another game for the Federation championship?
Also we need to look at the BCS as is will be setup and not how it has been setup. If all of the conferences are moving to a 14-16 team conference I would expect the BCS qualifying system and requirements to change.
The writing on the wall
I have interpreted everything that is happening lately with realignment as this: The BCS will finally die, but not how we’ve wanted it to. Instead, there will be a limited (four team?) playoff for the superconferences (Pac-whatever, SEC, Big Ten, ACC) that leaves everyone else out. Could involve bowl tie-ins, exclude the NCAA, etc. Those outside of the power conferences? They’ll basically become the new 1-AA.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You May Well Be Right
But to avoid further litigation, I bet they have to allow a back door for nonAQs, just like they had to do with the BCS. Granted, it may take a few years to loosen the hinges on said door, but I’ll take my bets as to the first team through when they do.
"Maybe we should chug on over to Mamby-Pamby-land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you, you Jackwagon!"
I think the reason they don't include the NCAA ultimately...
…is to essentially be their own league/level of football. If it’s their playoff, they can exclude whoever they want. It’s not like a lawsuit happens because Montana has no access to the BCS…same thing. Of course, they would have to deal with the NCAA in other sports (i.e. basketball and the NCAA Tourney), so maybe it could be prevented through threatening their access in other sports if they “defect.”
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm with Coach Pete on this one
Petersen said the recent moves are frustrating.
"So much of this stuff is about money once again," he said. "Everybody panics once again."
via Murphy, IDS
However, it seems all of this is going to happen anyway… Ideally, I’d like to see the Big East dissolve into the SEC and ACC, except for Cincinnati, who would join the Big 12. Then, I’d like to see the MWC merge with the “leftovers” of the Big 12, and fly under the Big 12 banner.
To me, that makes the most sense geographically and conference-wise. The new “Big 16” would look like this:
Big 16 North:
Boise State
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Colorado State
Air Force
Missouri
Fresno State
Wyoming
Big 16 South:
Baylor
TCU
Kansas
Kansas State
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
Hawaii
In this scenario, New Mexico would be left out to join another conference or to go FCS, which, if we’re honest, is probably where they belong.
This just makes the most sense… you’re covering from Hawaii to Ohio, from Wyoming down to Texas. That’s a MASSIVE area. The conference would be competitive, and would include many existing and natural/geographical rivalries. You could easily create a TV network, or go with the Big 12’s existing agreement with Fox Sports and be fine.
Plus, I’ve got to think that conference is good enough to get a BCS bid, especially since the BCS has said that it wants 6 AQ conferences. It’s easily as strong as the ACC, in my opnion
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
The commissioner that moves first and aggresively wins
If Hair Thompson thinks that by hoping TCU comes back to the MWC that we will stay together he is sorely mistaken. Hair must be wheeling and dealing to save this conference. By adding Big 12 schools and the good C-USA schools the MWC or whatever the hell we call it can survive and get an AQ nod. However if Hair stays in his office sharpening pencils, burning blue uniforms and combing his Hair he we will die as a conf. If Dan Beebe (or Don, cant remember) moves first, poaches, BSU,AF, Fresno, TCU, BYU (lets face it, this independent thing isnt gonna last long) CSU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa and picks up the rest of the scraps and adds that to the Big 16 or whatever the hell we call it, then, that conference will make it, and the rest of the Big West 2012 will crumble……
Open Letter to TCU
I wrote this fanpost yesterday. It’s probably a pipe dream at this point, but hey.
http://www.obnug.com/2011/9/19/2435538/open-letter-to-tcu
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
Please No Merger
A football merger w/ Conference USA does nothing but hurt BSU’s BCS chances. It also does nothing to bolster TV revenue.
Our best case scenario is the Big 12 trying to go it alone and pick us up. I don’t see that happening. They will look east first (merger w/ BE). If the BE is too far gone, there’s a chance they look to us (as a 3rd option behind TCU and BYU), but it’s an outside chance.
Our second best option is to hope for the demise of the B12 and pick their bones. That might entice TCU to stay.
As a whole, it looks like our chances of joining a stable, financially productive conference are slim. That said, it doesn’t really worry me. We will still get our chances to prove who we are. Busting down the ivory towers is a comfortable position for this organization. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
"Maybe we should chug on over to Mamby-Pamby-land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you, you Jackwagon!"
by casketbase on Sep 20, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Amen brotha!
The less non-aq teams the easier it is for us the be the non-aq busting into the BCS.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
by BSUbluNorange on Sep 20, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
WVU not going to SEC or ACC
Multiple Big East sources said they have been told by WVU officials that WVU rejected by ACC & SEC
Via Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports
"Shiloh Keo got a MOUTHFUL of Doug Martin!" - Joe Tessitore
@D_Summit
WVU is critical to Big East survival
With them and TCU, Big East would at least have a 1-2 punch…which is actually better than what they have now (WVU as a 1-only punch). Of course, if the Big East survives and the Big 12 dissolves, so much for our dream of getting current Big 12 teams to join MWC.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
In a strange twist....
Even though Boise State is denied acceptance into the PAC 16 and Big 12, the NFL extends Boise State an offer into the NFC conference. Boise State immediately becomes the favorite to win the NFC West.
I was Dr. Jrig. Now I'm JRig. Next I'll just be ig.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
"Watch the point, catch the fat." - Larry Fitzgerald
by JRig on Sep 20, 2011 10:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 6 recs
So what's the spread against Tulsa so far...?
Boise is so efficient they are terrifying. If you have a weakness, they will find it, even if it takes them a quarter or two to size you up proper-like. The Anderson Silva of football offenses, if you will. - Spencer Hall, The Alphabetical Week 1, 2011
32.5 as of right now, I may change my pick...
Boise is so efficient they are terrifying. If you have a weakness, they will find it, even if it takes them a quarter or two to size you up proper-like. The Anderson Silva of football offenses, if you will. - Spencer Hall, The Alphabetical Week 1, 2011
BSU, -9.5 ...
btw … Iowa is favored by 17 over UL-Monroe … :-)
by Lestermeister on Sep 20, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Merger
Let’s see – West Virginia (maybe), Louisville, South Florida, TCU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Missouri (probably not). That doesn’t sound like much of a power conference to me.
Dear Hair
Get off your dead A&& and go do whatever it take’s to get UTAH STATE to come to the MWC. I know they are not the best football program in the country, but they are a lot better than some of the teams currently in the MWC. Geographically it makes sense. We can get a good hold on the Utah TV market, and their football program is coming right along with Gary Anderson commanding the ship. Not to mention their Nationally recognized BB program. Forget what happened Hair with the BYU/WAC mess that happened over a year ago and go get UTAH STATE. They will be a great addition to the MWC. DO IT HAIR! Someone is paying you to be a leader, do it!
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
I don't know... I'd sit tight like he's doing now and wait
What happens if leftovers are available and we’ve already given a slot to USU? Let’s wait and see what happens and then make that decision. Adding USU may be a good option.
by BSUbluNorange on Sep 20, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Two thoughts
1. NFC West is perfect – payback on Kaepernick!!!
2. When I saw the alien ship over the White House at the top I was hoping it was live…
ok 3 thoughts:
3. The beauty of the game used to be that after the first game, the crazy season of scandal, draft, coaching merry-go-round and all the other nonsense was over. That is one reason why we lay dormant and in despair until the first weekend in Sept. Those days are officially over. Coach Pete said it best.
still one more thought….
4. Coach Pete wants to win this thing before we are treated fairly/BCS dies/AQ conference join. I cannot imagine any accomplishment that could equal winning an NC with the entire deck stacked against you. He is focused on the mission, and we be too.
Crush Tulsa, on with the show.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State when they play the Chinese...maybe.
Do people really still think we could go to the National Championship Game?
by foryourhead on Sep 20, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I do.
I also think there are going to have to be some very strange weekends with huge shakeups in the BCS Conferences to get us there. Not outside the realm of possibility…the chance is small but it exists. Especially with the vocalizations in the press that the Broncos are the real deal and the high rankings.
"I don’t need a dictionary, I have an ipad, and an expensive large university education." - hrman7
"They're part pep rally, part freak show..." - Jim Rome, on Bronco Nation
by reflectivity on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't
The buzz about us being the real deal will fade by the second week of Dec. even if we’re undefeated. They’ll put a one or two loss school ahead of us without blinking an eye. We would still get a BCS bowl invite should we win out.
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
kcam
I agree. The powers at the top will ensure that nothing contaminates their poisoned system. I have a feeling we will see an undefeated PAC 12, Big 12, and $ec team at the end of the year to ensure everyone of the potential busters is left out of the NC game. I realize the stars would have to line up for BSU to get a shot, I just have not seen the stars line up yet. The list of undefeated teams listed above is very very possible. Look at their schedules.
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Great minds think alike, bbiw
Though fools seldoms differ.
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
also kcam,
I have to say this so quietly, unless everyone suffers from short term memory loss, we have all seen officiating change games to ensure this $cam continues… There is no need to list examples. BUT IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooh, conspiratorial plot lines
I like it! I’ll keep it on the down low.
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
That's the mission, whether it happens or not
The goal must be the big one and we do have a chance, however small, in the present stacked deck. Control what you can and don’t sweat what you can’t a famous current coach says.
We as a fan base need to be realistic and not count it a disappointing year if the Bronco’s do everything right and yet do not get to the big dance. Its incremental but the process is excrutiating for the less patient among us. Had we won out last year and won the Rose Bowl, we would have been #2.
Frankly, its still hard to believe this is only Coach Pete’s 6th season, 2 of which are undefeated Fiesta Bowl Champs and he has 3 Coach of the Year awards – two Bear Bryant (no other human has two) and the Bobby Dodd. This senior class is the 10th in a row with 40 wins – that may in fact be the most amazing stat yet.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State when they play the Chinese...maybe.
Its my mission HSridge......
Every morning when I get up, to “Stick it to the man”. (school of rock) But I also have to keep my actions of sticking it to the man in perspective so that I don’t find myself asking a Dr. for a new dose of med’s every December. Unlike a team that went independent in their football program this year that lies in the SH&%HOLE called UTAH, I can keep my head wrapped around the fact that the BC$ does not want BSU playing in their sandbox. I understand this, but wanna stick it to the man every day, and want BSU sticking it to the BC$ every week!
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Boise State
should form it’s own conference. The “haven’t lost at home since the stone age” conference. Any conference would be lucky to get the Broncos.
Con USA?
I say we keep SMU and Houston have TCU beg forgiveness and just keep the new MWC and drop the ugly new MWC logo
"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- WG#99
by BustersBroncosBustsBCS on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
The MWC..
logo that looks like it was designed by the same kid that designed the N64 logo?
http://images.google.com/imgres?q=n64+logo&hl=en&biw=1036&bih=680&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=aUKipBmGkc1CrM:&imgrefurl=http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_64&docid=3M0NW3nhAW6oGM&w=647&h=600&ei=B-V4Tt7xG6GHsAKHiODIDQ&zoom=1
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, try again
http://images.google.com/imgres?q=n64+logo&hl=en&biw=1036&bih=680&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=aUKipBmGkc1CrM:&imgrefurl=http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_64&docid=3M0NW3nhAW6oGM&w=647&h=600&ei=B-V4Tt7xG6GHsAKHiODIDQ&zoom=1
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
BW!!!
Someone help me out!! Why wont it let me access that link??
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry about my bad skills
But it works if you copy the entire link including the V4Tt7xG6GHsAKHiODIDQ&zoom=1
part. sorry OBNUG
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you use Google Chrome?
If so you just right click any image and select copy image url, pretty hand! That is a freaking huge N64 logo….
by BSUbluNorange on Sep 20, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
So ugly...
"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- WG#99
by BustersBroncosBustsBCS on Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for ....
your help. Glad there are many computer smart people out there willing to help guys like me…
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Why this could be great for Boise
I honestly don’t think it will be but hear me out. This does assume that the BCS stays put and the Bowl tie-ins remain relatively the same with the Big 12’s bid going to an “at large” team. In fact, this could all end up hurting the bottom half of these “superconferences” much more than it hurts Boise State.
With 4 superconferences there will be a dramatic increase is “at large” positions within the BCS bowl system. Assuming everything stays the same, a non-AQ school would be guaranteed one of those spots assuming they are ranked high enough. With Boise State’s scheduling practices there is no reason to think that they won’t be the highest ranked non-AQ more often than not. What does that mean? Even in a terrible conference, an undefeated season gets you a big game after New Years.
But what about the money? I wish I had the Mark Cuban article about superconferences handy. He raises a good point, that simply adding teams doesn’t guarantee more $$. Take the ACC for example. Their TV deal will NOT get any bigger just because Pitt v Maryland is now on the week 6 docket. Essentially his point was that TV deals are more about quality than quantity. Yes, the Pac-16 (if Texas and OU are added) would be adding quality teams/games…but they are the only conference, as of now, that can say that. So for most of the country, the pie doesn’t get any bigger yet there are more teams at the table. Plus, Boise has been beating teams with a lot more money for quite some time. I don’t know why all of a sudden that would change.
High school kids want to be seen on TV, play in the NFL, and win games in college. Even with superconferences, BSU’s high profile early season games would remain televised as well as any mid season Thursday or Friday games. TV, check. A superconference will NOT put WSU or UW on ESPN, ABC, etc. simply for being a member. The better programs/matchups will still get the attention. Boise State should begin to see a larger # of players getting drafted thanks to better recruits from the recent success. You can sell that to 18 year olds, check. Win games…in the MWC? Are you kidding? Of course, a conference championship every year practically. Winning, check.
So the $$ for a majority of programs doesn’t change, winning is made harder for those in superconferences (you think UW will ever win a Pac-16 championship with OU and Texas in the fold now?? lol), and any additional TV coverage will only be regional (meaning 17 year old from Texas still won’t be able to see a Northwest or Northern California college team play on TV).
Seems like not much will change, for 90% of the teams in the new superconferences…unless of course they exclude everyone else and form there own division :(
Problem with this theory is...
…as you said.
Seems like not much will change, for 90% of the teams in the new superconferences…unless of course they exclude everyone else and form there own division :(
My worry remains that the superconferences will ditch the entire BCS model and form their own playoff outside of NCAA jurisdiction, which allows no outside access. Their answer to anyone crying “antitrust” would be that it’s their own product and a BSU gaining access would be akin to BSU playing in the Pac-whatever’s conference championship. If the USC’s, Texas’s, Alabama’s, and Oklahoma’s of the world are playing in their own playoffs, it doesn’t matter if everyone else continues to have their own bowls, championships, and the like…because everyone else becomes irrelevant to most people in the nation.
This is my worry…I actually don’t care that much if BSU ever becomes AQ and I would love a playoff as much as anyone…I just don’t want to be out of the overall picture completely.
Oh, and you munson’d “their”.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I munson'd so many words
you wouldn’t believe I had a doctorate degree even if I stuck it a foot from your face. You’d think there would be a “munson correct” built into the blog…
Just goes to prove that no one reads dissertations.
If they did, munson’d would be part of the vernacular.
"Boise State better never have to explain itself, prove itself or apologize for where it comes from to anybody ever again." Steve Greenberg TSN
Found it
I don’t agree with all of it, but he brings up some interesting points
http://blogmaverick.com/2011/09/04/so-what-should-big-12-schools-do-say-no-to-super-conferences/
Big East is having a "secret" meeting tonight
I heard Rutgers’ president talking about it…I guess it’s not that secret.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
Oh that's just Effin great
I’m from Florida where nearly all my friends were from one of the five boroughs. I know wth a sit-down means…these punks are up to no good and they’ll be scheming in very smart and insidious ways tonight…probably making use of every influential contact they have in their pockets or owes them a favor for “that thing, that one time”.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
He didn't sound too enamored with staying in the Big East
He was politically correct and all, but nothing he said made me think he wouldn’t jump into the ACC immediately…he was very confident about Rutgers’ position in all of this.
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I've done some reading and learned that
Rutgers and UConn may be the next to make the ACC a 16 team conference.
I also learned that Notre Dame competes in the Big East in all sports but football. ND is a pretty heavy hitter w/ a ton of influence and I’d be interested in knowing what options they are contemplating.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
The bummer is...
BSU’s national championship season will be overshadowed by this ridiculous season of conference discontent. So it goes. When the dust clears, BSU will win the last National Championship game under the system as we currently know and love/hate it.
If we get locked out of the Super Conference / Pangaea / Gondwanaland / Voltron vision of the future, this could be our last look at a title shot for quite sometime.
So much riding on this season. So good.
by pourfavor on Sep 20, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for the appropriate analogy to voltron
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
My hope is...
That the Mountain West pulls their head out of the sand and does everything they can to become the fifth superconference. They need to go out and add all the leftovers from the BCS conferences, cut the fat within their own conference, and get to 16 teams themselves. Otherwise I hope the Big 12 merges with the Big East and adds Boise State, BYU, Houston and a couple of others to get to 16 teams and become the last superconference. In other words, there isn’t some rule prohibiting more than four superconferences, so the strongest teams left outside those four conferences should join together to form the last superconference.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
I've heard (I think here actually) that some BCS officials said this can't be done w/o 5 super-conferences
If the Big 12 shuns the Big East in favor of a more regionally favorable merger w/ us that would more accurately reflect the travel expenses they had before Neb/Colrado left then that could be a real factor.
We’ll have to wait and see what happens. I gotta admit, I am intensely and morbidly fascinated by all of this. I hope to God we find a way in if for no other reason than the fact BSU really plays this game the way it should be played and are an absolute joy to watch when given the opportunity to play big time competition.
I honestly feel, as much as other fans complain about us due to their fear that we will “take their spot” in a NCG or BCS Bowl, that CFB will lose something precious if Boise St. is left out. It would just be a shame for football…the day the music died imo.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I agree...
If Boise State was left out in the cold as the superconferences broke off and created their own league, it would be the day that football died for me.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
Dream conference
1Boise State
2TCU
3. Air force
4. San Diego State
5. Nevada
6. Hawaii
7.SMU
8. Houston
9. BYU
10. Fresno St
11. Baylor
12. missouri
14. Greenbay Packers
Is that all too much to ask?
"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- WG#99
by BustersBroncosBustsBCS on Sep 20, 2011 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the rest of the MWC schools
can go into the WAC 3.0 and the rest of the big 12 schools can stay home and watch the longhorn network with bitter eyes
"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- WG#99
by BustersBroncosBustsBCS on Sep 20, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry,
I want Colorado State instead of Green Bay. Same colors, so you won’t notice any difference.
by nothingveryclever on Sep 20, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's just ditch football completely, go independent, and focus on women's tennis
The one sport where we have cajones
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That is funny!!! LMAO!!
BAH HA HA HA HA!
by bleeedingblueinwyoming on Sep 20, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Just as long as we paint the courts and the players' skin and outfits blue
Anything for an unfair home advantage. I also endorse the idea of allowing prospective athletes to sleep in a corner of our players’ garages. Take that NCAA!
Is it counterintuitive to root for both Boise State and the Yankees?
by NYBroncosFan on Sep 20, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
MWC needs to move back in to Texas
TCU needs to come back with it’s former SWC buddies SMU, Rice, Houston, & Baylor and then bring Tulsa. BYU needs to be talked back from their ledge. Texas will bring TV Sets and travel costs for Football only require travel across the Rockies 3 times a year.
MWC West:
Hawa’ii
SDSU
Fresno St.
UNR
UNLV
BYU
CSU
Wyoming
MWC East:
AFA
TCU
SMU
Houston
Baylor
Rice
New Mexico
Tulsa
Or a 4 team pod system.
Right now we seem in dire straights, but if this is played wisely it can mean better exposure and a better SOS in conference. This would be a better package than the merger of the CUSA and Big East can grouped together or we at least have a play off between the two conference champions for the end of the year seat at the big babies boys table.
.........Boise state did not make your cut?
"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- WG#99
by BustersBroncosBustsBCS on Sep 20, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, they did.
I thought there was something funny about it after I posted, which I counted instead of read the teams out loud. Drop Tulsa, move CSU East and BSU in the West.
MWC West:
Hawa’ii
SDSU
Fresno St.
UNR
UNLV
BYU
CSUBSU
Wyoming
MWC East:
AFA
TCU
SMU
Houston
Baylor
Rice
New Mexico
TulsaCSU
Obvious mistake is obvious.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
In this scenario, 4 Texas teams including the return of TCU and BYU to make 11 teams with MWC ties
Texas members of C-USA and Baylor can say they are returning to their roots when bowing out of C-USA and Baylor just needing a home respectively.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 20, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think y'all are missing the point
The purpose of having superconferences is to limit the participants in the “main event” (for the present, read: BCS). That’s why they’re saying four superconferences.
The heads of some of the more prominent institutions in these superconferences are arguing for limited payment of players. That won’t happen under the NCAA. Neither will the long sought after playoff that everyone claims to want. Recall that in the last ten years there have been 9-figure deals thrown around for a college football playoff. That cash definitely outweighs a BCS deal in which a conference might get $20m tops and the Sun Belt teams get a free payout.
In the final analysis, the purpose of this realignment is to either marginalize or abandon the NCAA altogether and try and implement a playoff. If Boise State doesn’t get active, it will be left out of this brave new world along with the West Virginias of the world.
That may well be. There are a lot of rumors flying around
but I think we may have a much more clear picture in two weeks time.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Actually you are missing the point
the biggest BCS supporters are the Presidents of the colleges making up these superconferences, as well as the commissioners of the leagues that said Colleges belong to. Oh, and don’t forget all of the politicians getting illegal PAC contributions from the Bowls…they like the BCS too
This isn’t about ditching their beloved system and starting their own playoff. It’s a possibility, sure, but only if we ever actually get 4, 16 team conferences. Which, if recent news regarding Pac-12 no longer seeking expansion is true, then that is looking more and more like a longshot.
This is about expected $$ from TV contracts. So really the blame falls on the Big 10 from having a surprisingly successful network. And, more recently, as a result of the monstrous deal worked out by Larry Scott and the Pac-12.
Not likely at all,
but given that the ACC rejected UT as well, and that it seems it had to do w/ their now infamous LHN, and the fact that we know the PAC-XX won’t allow the LHN and also insists on an even revenue sharing system…
what do you guys think the odds are that UT pulls some shenanigans like last year, stays w/ the Big-XX on condition of maintaining its current huge revenue slice AND it’s ultra-lucrative LHN and elects to rebuild the conference by offering teams like SMU, Houston, TCU, Boise St. etc.?
Just a thought.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
As You Say, Not Likely
I don’t think UT is calling the shots anymore. They’ve become the shady guy in the trench coat hawking watches on street corners. The problem is, no one is buying. Oklahoma realizes this, and they’ve taken the upper hand. There was a report out of an Oklahoma paper this afternoon that OU told TX they would keep the gang together if TX ditched the network AND Dan Beebe. I guess OU sees him as a Longhorn figurehead.
I think OU is calling the shots for now. If they decide to go, the Big12 as we know it is gone. If they decide to stay, they become the new boss.
"Maybe we should chug on over to Mamby-Pamby-land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you, you Jackwagon!"
by casketbase on Sep 20, 2011 8:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
LHN even have a provider yet?
or are they still only on YouTube??? Lol, I can’t say that without cracking up…
Thought it was a $300M 20 year ESPN deal
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
pac 12 not expanding.
Andy Staples Facebook LINK.
BUT WAIT. The detailed benefits are not just your average dollars-under-the-table, or some lameass "we let some players sleep at an apartment on the floor with a coach's help" allegations. No, you get the hell out of here, Boise.
--EDSBS
Twitter: @damienbsu
by Grindhouse on Sep 20, 2011 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
another link for those who don't "facebook".
BUT WAIT. The detailed benefits are not just your average dollars-under-the-table, or some lameass "we let some players sleep at an apartment on the floor with a coach's help" allegations. No, you get the hell out of here, Boise.
--EDSBS
Twitter: @damienbsu
now the twitterverse is all about Air Force to the Big East.
and BYU Big 12
BUT WAIT. The detailed benefits are not just your average dollars-under-the-table, or some lameass "we let some players sleep at an apartment on the floor with a coach's help" allegations. No, you get the hell out of here, Boise.
--EDSBS
Twitter: @damienbsu
From a source that called into College Sports XM91 on the F-Bomb show (Paul Finebaum)
This guy’s “source” is an alum from one of the below mentioned institutions. Says he knew about the A&M move when it was just rumor and told him it would go down on Sep. 7, just like it did. Paul Finebaum seemed pretty interested in the caller, and he seemed legit.
In summary: Mizzu to the SEC, followed by Oklahoma and Ok Sate
Texas and Texas Tech to the PAC-N
That leaves at least 2 spots in the PAC-N available. Maybe Kustra should black van one of Larry Scott’s family members to ransom for an invite…. who wants to go in on a black van?
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Strike this from the record.
Unless it does happen, after which I will do a lot of IN YOUR FACE SUCKAS! Until then, this never happened. The black van thing is still a go for me, though.
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by Xavier Malawi on Sep 21, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wanted to say that your sig is absolutely epic.
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by reflectivity on Sep 22, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks,
Thinking of going with something shorter. Takes up too much space when I comment.
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by Xavier Malawi on Sep 22, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
sigh.....
"And don't you think it sounds stupid, When some one's treated different cause there not the same as me or you?"
"As time passes by, regrets for the rest of my life."
"I want it, I need it, Revenge is dripping from my teeth."
"Everywhere we turn more hatred surrounds us."
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by Ihavenofriendzz on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 PM PDT reply actions
News Flash!
Pac12 not expanding http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-conference-decides-expand-further
Big East schools (except UConn) have committed to Big East http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6998720/commissioner-john-marinatto-says-schools-committed-big-east
WVU rejected by ACC and SEC. Louisville targeted by SEC; Kentucky vetos. http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/09/sec-wants-louisville-as-14th-member-academics-leave-wvu-out/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ChuckOliverFootball+%28Chuck+Oliver+Football%29 SEC settles on Missouri http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998589/sec-informal-agreement-add-missouri-according-report
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