Boise State: An Elite College Football Power
2011 marks the first season since Boise State entered the national debate with its 2007 Fiesta Bowl victory over Oklahoma that numerous national sports pundits (read: Bowl Championship Series auto-qualifying school sycophants) aren’t predicting the Bronco’s downfall. An annual 'predicted' Cinderella letdown where they will be relegated back to their non-elite status returning to the pack of the 'have-nots' and to be once again classified as just another 'mid-major'. A return to the way things should be for the BCS AQ teams - a college football existence absent of institutional 'maggots' feeding on the multi-million dollar spoils that comes with privilege.
Well, not quite. The college football flat world society did start the nay-saying earlier in the year, sic "Gaping holes at wide-receiver with the loss to graduation of stand-outs Titus Young and Austin Pettis and the defensive line and secondary with the graduation of Ryan Winterswyk and Jeron Johnson respectively among various other significant contributors." However, despite some critical prognostication, the general assessment by many of the traditional AQ media apologists, as if studying sails on the horizon…wondering, seem to be measuring their words. And rightly so, if this year's preseason watch lists are any indication.
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and the Broncos have achieved this level with one-third the money the elite AQ schools have at their disposal!!
and in a ridiculously short amount of time
One of the things that endears people to BSU on a subliminal level, imo, is their approach to hard work…it’s correct.
Boise State prepares itself the right way, they don’t slack off and they don’t just “get by” on their athletic talent. They, work very hard, they apply themselves, they prepare themselves physically and mentally to be as good at this chosen endeavor as they possibly can be…and they do this with a remarkable amount of consistency. That is correct and it rings true with everyone even if they don’t consciously know it.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Elite
It all depends on the definition.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve been around football a long time and I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
And because it usually requires much money and more than 40,000 seats...
I’m voting no for now.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve been around football a long time and I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
Voted no. Just don't care for the word "elite". never have. and I are one.
If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change the way you think about it. Maya Angelou
BSU changes the BCS! 2011
by boiseblues on Jul 10, 2011 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted yes cause we are elite.
If what we do year in and year out does not define us as elite then I don’t know what does. We are a special team and what we do is special. We are one of the top programs in America, and we are rising each year. We are elite period.
I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.
I voted for elite
Which is much different than elitist (insert, AQ conference entitlement here)
by bluebyeu on Jul 12, 2011 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Look at it from this perspective
Texas continues to make millions (there’s is one of the few football programs that actually MAKES money for their institution), in spite of losing so many games last year. And while folks expect them to return to 11-1, or so this year, personally, that’s not definitive and I don’t expect it. Likewise, Florida. USC is another good example.
BSU had one loss last year. Let’s just pretend it’s two or three this year. And the year after that it’s four or five, then four to six. So do you think in 2014, in the pre-season summer chatter, most folks, including your fellow BSU fans, would say the Broncos were an elite program the way they do about the Gators, Trojans and Longhorns this year and last year? If so, then you are right.
I think a different word (or words) and certainly a different basis than this particular article is far more accurate.
I'd rather be surfing.
by Pac 10 Alum on Jul 13, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If you give UT, USC, or UF the same 3 straight losing seasons
with multiple losses that you described for BSU then no, people would not consider them elite.
Powerful, rich, influential, capable of a return to glory w/ a coaching change etc.? yes, and partially b/c those schools are known to consistently bring in top level athletes so a change in approach could conceivably reverse the trend…but ppl wouldn’t consider them to be elite programs at that time…they would be considered to have fallen from glory. Those are the kinds of descriptions you would hear.
BSU, under the same scenario, would probably not be deemed as a bounce back candidate b/c we haven’t even recruited a 5 star athlete yet. But for right now, judging strictly on RESULTS, Boise State is easily a Top 10 program if not Top 5.
To be able to achieve what they have with littel to no real cash flow and far less flash in the recruit levels, means the PROGRAM is performing extremely efficiently. From how intelligent it has recruited for it’s style, to play calling, to talent development, to training techniques…something(s) is going very very right here and it is something(s) that eclipse some very prestigious universities and how they do things.
For all their money and stable of 5 star recruits, they cannot seem to get the results come race day that BSU gets. For those reasons, I’d say the Boise State football program is elite.
Take this program and install it in places like tOSU, Alabama, UT, or UCF and watch everyone’s jaw drop.
What I wouldn’t say is that Boise State is established. They are not, and were they to suffer through a scenario like yours I honestly don’t know how long, if ever, it would take to bounce back. It would take a long time to rebuild the street cred BSU is gaining w/ the recruits right now.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Jul 13, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
USC hasn't had an undefeated season since the one they had to vacate all their wins from
So they have already done the scenario I describe above. IMO, Texas will have at least 2-3 losses easy this year, quite possibly more and end up at best at the bottom of the top 25 at the end of the year. And next off-season, you will still see people put them in top 10 lists. Ditto for Florida, in fact, IMO, Florida will be worst because the new coach wants to do different schemes than Meyer.
Top ten easily, there’s no disagreement there. Top 5 the last three – even four years, in my opinion likewise. Efficient, ditto. Intelligent. Likewise.
Elite is treated, generally, the same way “5 star/4 star recruit” is treated. I think we are disagreeing about words and how we personally view them.
Elite to me means a number of other things, a few of which include: your student section would be packed, even when BSU plays Utah State or whichever New Mexico school was the WAC doormat. It means BSU is getting at least a look from 4 and 5 star recruit (now – are the BSU recruits being underscored — that’s a different issue altogether and one I would agree with, but let’s try to keep the focus narrow for now).
Loque above talked about money and resources, and stadium size. Bronco stadium is not much smaller (just barely so) than Northwestern, and Northwest, even though a member of the Big 10 since it’s inception before the turn of the century IS NOT an elite program, and this in spite of their financial resources (their scholarships costs over $50,000 per student athlete, for example) and they do have 4/5* recruits. What they don’t have is the wins and BCS victories BSU has. But that’s an example, so you can try to understand what I am talking about. As I said, we are just defining words differently.
It’s not a slight. I don’t consider Arizona an elite football program either.
I'd rather be surfing.
by Pac 10 Alum on Jul 14, 2011 6:14 AM PDT reply actions
yeah, i think it's terminology...rest of this post is just some more on my view points and not really a response to anything
I don’t consider USC elite right now and neither UT nor UF look to be ranked in this year’s top 15 after just one bad year. But I am looking strictly at the result being put on the field.
My criteria includes intelligent recruiting, talent development, strength/athletic/position training, film study, overall prep for an opponent, and playcalling/execution…all the things that would have a direct impact on the scoreboard. I did this b/c I interpreted the title, “Boise State: An Elite College Football Power”, as pertaining to what happens on the gridiron.
I can see, however, how it may be viewed in terms of hoopla, tradition, pagentry, and other less tangible signs of an entire University that has established itself in both ability to win and influence.
I guess my line of thinking is that, while a place like Tennessee is going to pack it’s stadium year in and year out, bring in a ton of money for the school, and have more than it’s fair share of 4 and 5 star recruits annually, that is not translating into success on the football field. What Boise State is doing is they are changing the recipe for success, and that scares the bejeebus out of people.
It used to be that in order to have great football teams you had to have a name, some long term consistency, you had to have the boosters, the donors, and the bigtime recruits…all of these things made sense and there was no thought given to the possibility of there being another route.
Enter Boise State/TCU/Utah etc.; they haven’t had to build their name over 150 years of struggles, walking to school…in the snow…uphill…both ways. They haven’t needed the 5 star recruits and hence, they haven’t needed the hidden incentives, boosters, or alumni base.
In fact, it’s my opinion that in the back of many old CFB veteran fans, they’ve “cheated” in a manner of speaking, particularly Boise St. I’ve seen AQ fans write that they’d rather see TCU or Utah in a NCG than Boise St. b/c at least TCU and Utah have some semblance of history and success over time. You can almost hear the unspoken accusation; “How dare Boise St. not have to cut their teeth like we did, IT’S UNFAIR!!!!”
I think that, more than anything else, is the thing leading the criticism of BSU while withholding the credit due. So yeah, whe I think “Elite CFB Power” I’m thinking on field results vs. ability to throw your weight around on a board deciding if there should be a playoff or packing our student section (which we totally need to do but we haven’t won for long enough to build up credibility with the students…if that makes sense, I could talk for an hour on tha tsubject) or winning a recruiting battle on a 5 star athlete because our campus life is extraordinary, we’re 12 miles from the beach, and there’s six boosters that want to slip you a $100 bill everytime you crack 100 yds rushing.
Now we are starting to seriously compete for 4 stars now and I don’t think our first 5 star is far away. But a recruit is much more likely to come here b/c he knows he can win, he has a fair shot at starting early, and he’ll learn a skillset here that transitions very well to the pros where he can make 3 million a year.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Wow summed up perfectly. Boise State the new U rising. Thank you pjohn.
I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.
I just don’t see how you can discount the fact that Boise has had an easier road to 10 wins every year than teams in the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, and SEC. Take a look at last year for example. 1. Wyoming 2. San Jose st. 3. New Mexico State 4. Idaho 5.Utah State 6. LA Tech, essentially that’s 6 Easy Wins for any top 25 Team. Out of a 13 game Schedule, all you have to win is 3 out of your 6 other regular season games (which include Toledo, Hawaii, and Fresno mind you). Boise is placed in a situation that allows them to put up high winning seasons without having to beat a solid team on a consistent basis. Even in 09, you did go undefeated but you played two ranked teams, the first and last game of the year. There was a previous article, saying how Toledo had the worlds hardest out of conference schedule because they play OU and OK state. Every Big 12 team has to play those two teams, along with UT, A&M, Mizzou, Tech, and up until this year Nebraska, Tech and Colorado aren’t slouches either. It’s just beyond me how some of you overlook, or simply just ignore that fact that Boise has a substantially easier road to 10 wins, than any team from the Big 4 conferences.
You also fail to take into account the preseason rankings and rank ups from big wins
You know who is on their way to an easy 10 win season?
- TCU, next year in the Big East
- Possibly West Virginia, this year in the Big East
- UCF is on their way to dominating Conference USA
Seven years ago, when Boise St. wasn’t even sniffing a BCS bowl, much less the NCG, there were no complaints. Why? because they weren’t taking up a slot. Why weren’t they taking up a slot? because they weren’t ranked high enough by the end of the year.
Now, Boise St. has a high starting position. Why? They have demonstrated they’re a consistent Top 10 football team.
Same thing with TCU. There won’t be any complaints if West Virginia domnates the Big East this year and goes on to a 10 win season. Why? They’re an AQ team for one, but also, their preseason ranking and subsequent rank ups from wins probably won’t allow them to go past the Orange Bowl.
If UCF begins to dominate Conference USA and gets their “easy ten wins” there won’t be any complaints. Why? Their preseason ranking and rank ups from season wins won’t allow for it.
In the 1990s and early 2000s Miami consistently challenged for the National Title. Why? They began the season in a position to challenge and then did not lose any games, winning one or two big games a year while sweeping the dismal Big East, widely considered a “basketball only” conference.
Well, where’s the outrage, how come no one complained? Because, it’s not about your schedule as much as it is about the credibility your team has earned itself on the field. Everyone in the country knew Miami was one of the most loaded teams in the country, well coached, and tremendous on the field. No one in their right mind was going to preseason rank them #23 because of something so preposterous as their conference affiliation. Everyone believed that if Miami could compete against anyone in the country. Your entire logic base is focused down to an indicator and you are pushing the big picture aside with disturbing consistency.
The polls are voted on by a ton of people that are randomly selected by a computer and that conglomerate, which is loaded with AQ school graduates, coaches, and analysts has disagreed with your assessment for the past two years. Case closed.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
You also seem to forget.
Let’s take an SEC team, for instance:
- Arkansas: 1. Tenn Tech 2. Louisiana-Monroe 3. Ole Miss 4. Vanderbilt 5. UTEP
How about a Big 10 team?
- Ohio State: 1. Marshall 2. Ohio 3. Eastern Michigan 4. Illinois 5. Indiana
Let’s find a Big 12 team:
- Nebraska: 1. Western Kentucky 2. Idaho 3. South Dakota State 4. Kansas State 5. Iowa State 6. Colorado (Might even including Kansas and Washington)
Everyone has cupcakes. The main difference between Boise State and bigger conference teams is that we don’t have much choice in scheduling them. Big conference teams have 2-3 cupcakes in conference then litter their OOC schedule with 2-3 more.
Haterade. You are drinking it.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve been around football a long time and I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
Easy Road?
How with not even 1/4 of the budget of AQ schools … the ability to travel even more, attract, recruit ….? The “Big 4” have an easier road and do less on it. Don’t see how anyone can see it otherwise, except maybe through AQ goggles.
Generally, you dont play AQ schools, thats the point you all fail to miss, the big boys beat eachother up all season, and even the good AQ teams end up with 1-2 losses. Meanwhile, your busy playing the schedule I mentioned above. You play non AQ schools 80% of your schedule. The Big 4 schools have to play teams with 5 start athletes and big budgets 80% of there games, while you get to avoid them except for your first and last game of the season.
sooo, you're reconstituted and back for more, eh? welll okay, game on. BTW...you hail from who/where again?
"High profile players demand high profile compliance", P. Dees, NCAA Chair. Refc. pending inquiries to tOSU, Auburn, USC...
by NotsoSchizo on Jul 15, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think your opponents define you
I understand your confusion and what I’m saying is that there’s a sizable amount of ppl that think it’s a non issue.
Butler did not play an ACC or Big East basketball schedule when they hacked their way through the NCAA tourney to play in the big game. The 1980’s San Francisco 49ers played in what of the NFL’s weakest divisions by far and yet that did not stop them from being football’s most dominant team of that decade.
Your whole theory is loaded with assumptions. You assume that just b/c a school has 5 star athletes and a multi-million dollar budget, that it can also develop that talent and put a tough team in the field. I disagree…Tennessee, UGa last year, Michigan St., Boston College, NC State, Louisville, West Virginia last year. It’s ridiculous. Having the resources guarantees you nothing and that is proven year in and year out in all kinds of sports and competitions.
Additionally, the rankings are subjective themselves. It took 4 losses for God’s sake before UF fell out of the Top 25 last year. Every time they got beat before that, it counted as a “quality win” against a ranked opponent for whoever beat them. Ditto for Texas. You’re telling me that’s fair? It’s not about fair or unfair, nothing can ever be perfect…even if we all played the same schedules, different teams on different days would play differently and we’d argue about that.
Boise St. has, with tremendous consistency, won the games it is supposed to and won the games they weren’t expected to win. No one on this board is saying “give them the trophy”. We are saying they deserve a chance, just an opportunity. I told you last year that you were behind the curve in your thought process.
Clearly you disagree with that but you are also quickly becoming the old guard in your thinking…I’m guessing you have missed this, but national thinking is shifting towards Boise St. and you’re just going to get washed over like a HELP message written in the sand during high tide.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
It’s tough to make comparisons involving college vs. professional sports, and then two different sports. There are two many differences in my opinion to make an analogy.
The talent in the NFL is MUCH more consistent from team to team, yes there are dominant teams, but not like in NCAA
Basketball and Football are two very different sports played with a different amount of players; I disagree with your comparison.
If Tennessee or any of the aforementioned schools played Boise’s Schedule last season, I believe they would win 8-10 games. I think it’s important to understand, in a competitive conference with many major programs, you’re going to have down years, because there is 5-7 teams just as good as you year in and year out, someone has to be on bottom. Boise over the past few years only had Nevada to compete with in a conference full of long term bad teams. Michigan, Tennessee, Texas, they will be back, Wyoming, San Jose State, won’t be winning big bowl games any time soon.
I agree with you on the Florida part, and I think that is ridiculous as well, but is it fair that Boise will get to play a team that went 6-6 last year in the SEC and everyone on here is acting like Georgia is this huge deal. Give Texas’s AD a call, or Alabama, or take up Nebraska’s offer.
I don’t consider myself behind the curve, Boise has yet to play 3 consecutive hard weeks of college football. I’m just not sold.
The sports analogy stands b/c it is a measure of application in how good a team is relative to it's competition level; it's a general point that is applicable to all sports
As far as Georgia, we are excited b/c we get to play an SEC team and it is a revenge game for us. However, you are correct and we acknowledge that here. Just as with VT last year, we will be pulling for UGa to win the SEC East. If they flop, our win will not have much sheen to it unless we blow them out ofc.
Nebraska’s offer was a shrewd move by Osbourne…it was never a serious offer as the terms were all but unacceptable. In his deal, it was setup so he could cancel out of the 3rd game to be played in Boise and all the money skewed towards Nebraska. No one in America takes that deal and, given BSU’s meteoric rise, I don’t think they HAVE to either as some believe they do.
I’d like to play them or the other teams you mentioned but the deals have to be made. Clearly, one of the major hurdles is the size of BSU’s stadium. We are working on fixing that but until then, it seems ESPN deals at “neutral sites” will continue.
I believe nation wide trending shows otherwise in your thinking. I’m not sure when you started scrutinizing Boise St., but since 2007 they have garnered more and more clout among the various fans, writers, and analysts across the nation. Even Craig James, a staunch opposer of BSU, admitted to liking them this year…we aren’t sure how to feel about that but nevertheless.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Hardly anyone in CFB these days plays 3 consecutive hard weeks of football.
Everything is sliced and diced with creampuffs, bottom feeders, and bye weeks. It’s done that way for a reason.
Again, same standards Hrman, that’s what I’m looking for. You apply your logic one way twds BSU and another to your perceived powerhouses. Why? Because, based on a feeling, a whim, a notion, you have pronounced judgement already. Now you’re just looking for how to align information with your predetermined bias.
In all the posts of yours I can recall, you do not cite any trends, past examples, or precedents to support your case. You throw out some vague notion based on nothing more than how you feel about the subject and consider that to be a sound argument. It is not, it’s just an opinion supported by nothing more than your slanted view on the topic.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Jul 15, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sisyphus. Look him up
I appreciate your tenacity with counter argument, pj, but I really think you’re wasting your time with this interloper. Apply the kcam nostrum: refuse to respond to him until he reveals his alma mater and degree.
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
Good Point
Nothing you said had anything to do with the statement I made
Additionally...hehe
As long as we can have a national champion crowned from the Big East or ACC, it nullifies the SoS argument.
I think Florida St. is on the rise again, and with a bullet. They’re program is doing all the right things and they will soon be a national power once again. But they play in a soft conference. That shouldn’t, and won’t, dictate how high they can rise when compared to an SEC school that will probably play a tougher schedule. That’s the thing about SoS, where does the line get drawn?
SoS did not save Wisky from TCU nor did it help UGa against “lowly” UCF. Alabama beat San Jose St., a Penn St. team that finished 7-6 and had awful QB play throughout the season, Duke, an Arkansas team that lost to tOSU and their weak schedule, a UF team that imploded, an awful Tennessee team, a strong LSU team, a strong South Carolina team that got blown out by Auburn, a middle of the pack Miss St, a weak Ole Miss, and Georgia Southern. That’s in the toughest conference in America. No one, including me, would say Alabama was a weak team last year. SoS fluctuates too much to use as the gold standard of who should play who for the NCG.
Similarly, there is a lot of hype concerning the West Virginia program this year. Whether they deliver on it or not I don’t know, but I do know that if they climb the rankings and finish undefeated, they will not be barred from the NCG. UCONN went to a BCS bowl last year…how on earth is that fair?
Last year Boise St. finished with a tougher rated schedule than tOSU and yet tOSU, despite clear cut violations, went to play Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl. Coincidentally, while tOSU had a dismal schedule ranking, they went on to win that game against an Arkansas team that played a much stiffer schedule.
Boise St. beat the ACC champion last year and defeated what was, in essence, the same TCU team that beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. I’m not saying that that means BSU could have done the same, but it is a good indicator that BSU could play that game competitively and that is the ultimate question….
Is Boise St. a high enough caliber team to compete at the highest levels? The answer, more and more, throughout the nation is a resounding yes. It is unconscionable to bar them from the game if their ranking and performance merit it.
No one’s schedule will be on par. Alabama will play a different schedule than Oklahoma or Wisconsin. Even within the same divisions, the schedule strength will fluctuate. The Big East teams have terrible schedules.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Boise State has two holes in their 2012 schedule
They are opening with Michigan State. Otherwise, it is just an MWC schedule and with BYU. And it will likely be a BYU team that had at least 3 and quite possibly much more losses in 2011.
If BSU doesn’t ATTEMPT to schedule at least ONE decent opponent for those two games (as opposed to filling them with Fresno State and Nevada as it did last year for 2011), then yes, it is fair for people to bring up the SOS argument. Butler PLAYED in to the final four or finals.
Yes, BSU doesn’t get that option. So, force the situation. Scheduling the Spartans is great. Now schedule a Pac 12 school or a Big 12 school or a Big East school. Hell, schedule Vanderbilt or Iowa State. Just schedule someone who isn’t comparable to a bottom feeder.
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by Pac 10 Alum on Jul 15, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd agree w/ that provided there's a dancing partner at acceptable terms
My biggest beef with these arguments is that they don’t apply the same standard to everybody.
We have a system and it is imperfect. I understand that; but within that system, if BSU starts preseason ranked high enough and finds itself #2 or #1 at the end of the year then I don’t think there should be this outpouring of grief over it.
The same as if West Virginia, Florida State, or tOSU w/ less than stellar schedules compared to others would not receive grief.
It seems to me that people fret over the SoS and ignore the initial purpose of the SoS argument to begin with. SoS was originally used as a way to try and decide who might be the more powerful team in a matchup of teams that had not yet met or played very many common opponents. In other words, it was just one tool of many, used to make an assessment of a team’s strength.
With Boise St.‘s consistently strong performance they pass the eyeball test, they can play with anyone in the country and you’d be hard pressed to find a sizable contingent that truly feels otherwise.
Now, it seems that SoS is being used more as a “dues” kind of scenario, like club membership or fraternity affiliation.
“Hey! They can’t get in, they haven’t had to go through the same stuff we have!!!” I’m going on record as saying that is total mularkey and a whiner’s approach to things. That has been happening in Division I CFB since before Husky fans were pissed they had to share the National Championship w/ the Hurricanes and vice versa. It won’t go away until we have a playoff. So that argument exists for and against everybody, not just Boise St.
Boise St.‘s schedule isn’t full of names but it is often much closer to the schedules of these AQ schools than ppl like to admit. As mentioned above, BSU had a tougher rated schedule than tOSU last year and yet there was little outcry about the Buckeye’s Sugar Bowl invite, especially after they won.
There is so much more that goes into fielding a quality team than measurables. Hrman’s viewpoint is echoed every year at the NFL Combine when scouts fall in love w/ measurables over game film and on field results.
I’ve said it before, most AQ conferences have two strong teams annually, several middle of the pack, and their share of bottom feeders. The gap is not nearly as wide as people presume and it has zero bearing on how good a team has been fielded by a given program.
Last year;
PAC-10: Oregon, Stanford
*Boise St. could have challenged for a title in this league imo
ACC: Virginia Tech, Florida St.
* Boise St. beat their Champion who went on to go undefeated in League Play
Big 10: Ohio St., Wisconsin
* This is a different style of football here. I’m not sold BSU matches up well in Big ten style
ball. I’m not against it either, I’d just have to see some games against power running teams
first
Big 12: Oklahoma St., Missouri
* Until proven otherwise, I believe OU is a paper lion. San Diego St. nearly beat Mizzou and
AF nearly beat OU. Boise St. could challenge for a title in this league
SEC: Alabama, SCAR, LSU
* SCAR went on to lose to FSU in the bowl game
* This is the one league I think a week in/week out schedule would be hard on Boise St.
initially but that applies to most everybody. Boise St. could have competed in the SEC
East imo
Big East: Please…nobody
* This league is the least consistent in CFB, no one can establish dominance and they are
all very very beatable
* Recent coaching changes + the addition of TCU may make for significant changes in future
So what are we talking about here? I went round and round w/ Hrman last year and it seemed to boil down to two different viewpoints and interpretations to me…
I felt Boise St. passed the eyeball test as a quality team that could compete with anyone. I felt that invalidated the SoS argument as far as entry into a NCG. To me, the question revolved around whether I felt BSU could compete with either Auburn or Oregon or if they would get run over and blown out. I felt they could; ergo, if the system ranked them at #2 by year’s end they should go, just like anyone else would go, b/c at the end of the day the SoS argument could be applied to all the teams using Sagarin’s ratings but we wouldn’t do that and didn’t. Oregon had a very weak schedule last year and still got to play for all the marbles…and did admirably.
Hrman’s argument seemed to revolve around a “it’s not fair” stance. That even if they were ranked at #2, BSU should be barred entry b/c they don’t play the tough schedules everyone else does.
Well, A) None of these teams are equal in schedule, there’s a rack and stack ranking of that available to us. B) the perceived strength and actual strength are two totally different things. C) SoS should not be the end all be all deal maker or breaker in any argument for who plays in the National Title. And indeed, it has not been. As I said, Oregon had a weak schedule, that didn’t stop them from being competitive. tOSU had a weak schedule and still played in the Sugar Bowl, and won.
The crowd that is all over SoS when it comes to Boise St. does not apply it evenly across the board, nor do they care much whether the team is actually good or not. To them, it is a toddler’s world…But, But, , IT’S NOT FAIR!
I have news for them; the world isn’t fair, this system we have isn’t fair, not much in life is fair. It’s not fair that BSU has proven time and time again that they can play upper tier Division I football and yet they face more opposition that is custom built against them and them alone.
As long as we have this system, the principals of it should apply across the board. Which means, like it or not, if BSU is ranked #1 or #2 at the end of the year b/c they swept their schedule then they get a birth in the NCG. And you know what, they’ll have to prove it right there. Either they can play in that game or they will get blown out as their supposedly weak SoS indicates to some people.
I, for one, believe they can play in that game and I bet you Vegas would not be so stupid as to put the opposition up as 17 pt. favorites. Boise St. has done enough to prove it’s a good team that can play against anyone. That should be the thing that makes the overwhelming difference whether they are “entitled” to a NCG appearance…not something so utterly convoluted and unevenly applied as SoS.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Jul 15, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

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