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Boise State schedule preview: The Fresno State Bulldogs and Pat Hill's big chance

The 2011 Fresno State football team will look a lot like every other Fresno team. There will be some talented skill players, like QB dreamboat Derek Carr and mighty mite Robbie Rouse. There will be some gaping holes to fill, like the offensive line and most of the defense. There will be Pat Hill, staring off into the distance, dreaming about special teams and running the ball on 3rd and 9.

And it will all end in an 8-win season and a middling bowl game. 

The following is a 1,000-word preview of that. Enjoy.

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Welcome to OBNUG's season preview series where we profile each opponent on Boise State's 2011 schedule and find them lacking in one or multiple areas. This one is about the Fresno State Bulldogs. They have Pat Hill as a coach.

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Fresno State basics

  • Last year's record: 8-5, forgot to show up to the Human Bowl against Northern Illinois
  • Returning Starters: 11 (4 offense, 5 defense, 2 special teams)
  • Head coach: Pat Hill (108-71, 14 seasons)

What we learned from Fresno State's 2010 season

What can you really learn from a season of Fresno State football that you haven't already learned? The Bulldogs beat some teams in non-conference play (Cincinnati, for one) then lost to a whole lot more in conference play (Hawaii, Nevada, and Boise State). They went to a bowl game - allegedly. Pat Hill kept his job - naturally. I laughed - considerably.

Preseason rankings for 2011

Consensus: Fresno State is not very good, but neither is the WAC. So they've got that going for them.

How excited Fresno fans are for the 2011 football season

Excitement as expressed by Oprah fans.

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"There's a Carr starting at quarterback!"

The debate: Fresno State would be better off without Pat Hill

Blasphemy!

Pat Hill has put Fresno State on the map, and he continues to do more with less every single season. Hill is the face of the program, a community hero, a likable guy, and he is more successful than half the coaches in Division I-A. Replace Pat Hill and you run the risk of falling back into no-man's land. Pat Hill will say the right things and get the Bulldogs to a bowl game, year-in and year-out. Half the WAC would kill for a coach like that.

I pity the fu!

First off, apologies for that pun. Second, Pat Hill needs to go if the Bulldogs are ever going to be anything more than blissfully mediocre. At some point, accountability and winning are going to have to play into the performance evaluation for Hill. He just has not got the job done for the last decade, and things aren't going to be any easier in the Mountain West. Fresno recruits stellar players who, for some reason or other, underachieve when they put on the Bulldog jersey. That reason is Pat Hill. 

Fresno State's best player

DT Logan Harrell

Harrell recorded 10.5 sacks as a defensive tackle last season, which is pretty incredible when you consider that the job of a defensive tackle is to be large and not move when big guys push you. Harrell has that Billy Winn quality where he can penetrate and disrupt plays in the backfield - a trait that you typically only see in elite defensive linemen. Billy Winn does it with strength, leverage, and a mohawk. Harrell does it with strength, leverage, and a mullet.

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Other best-player candidates: RB Robbie Rouse, OT Bryce Harris, QB Derek Carr

Fresno State's offense summed up in a color

Cherry red

The long-awaited Derek Carr era at Fresno State is nigh, and as a "welcome to the offense" gift, Pat Hill is making promises to open up the playbook and stop being a drag. Not a bad strategy, considering the Fresno offense has playmakers like 1,000-yard back Robbie Rouse and wide receivers Devon Wylie and Victor Dean. Not an entirely good strategy either, though, considering Fresno State only returns one offensive lineman. 

Fresno State's defense summed up in a sandwich

Grilled cheese off the children's menu

The Bulldog defense has some work to do. Carter and MLB Ben Jacobs are no more, and Fresno has holes all up and down its defensive depth chart. Only one member of the secondary returns. Logan Harrell may never see a single-team again as long as he lives. There are some pieces and parts to work with (DT Chase McEntee and LB Travis Brown, for two), but the best solution for this defense may be to keep the offense on the field as long as possible. Hey, did you hear Pat Hill wants to go no-huddle?

Boise State vs. Fresno State, October 7 - This date in history

The Broncos travel to Fres-neck for a Friday nighter on October 7, 2011. For historical perspective and superstitious calendar karma, I turn it to Boise State's proverbial curator Tom Scott

The late Walter Payton becomes the NFL's all-time leading rusher. Payton rushed for 154 yards in the Chicago Bears' 20-7 win over New Orleans to surpass Jim Brown's career mark. "Sweetness" ended up with 16,726 yards in 13 seasons; Dallas Cowboys running back Emmitt Smith eventually broke Payton's record. Not all roses for Chicago that day, though, as the San Diego Padres beat the Cubs in the final game of the National League Championship Series to extend the Cubbies' World Series-less streak to 39 years.

Well that had nothing to do with anything. Kind of like this picture of a cat with a slice of cheese on its head.

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Projected record for Fresno State when the Bulldogs face Boise State

2-3

Anyone, anytime, anywhere - even North Dakota at home.

I kid, of course. Apart from North Dakota, this schedule has "Classic Fresno State Meatgrinder" written all over it. The Bulldogs visit Cal and Nebraska in the first two weeks of the season, and they get a visit from Ole Miss six days before the Boise State game. If Derek Carr still has feeling in his extremities by October 7, the season will be a success.  

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Final analysis

For the past decade, Fresno has been a good football team - good when they were supposed to be great and good when they were supposed to be bad. Is there any reason to think this season will be any different?

While reading through some Fresno previews, I learned that Pat Hill's mantra for this season is taking the Fresno program from good to great. Well, that's going to be on him. The Bulldogs recruit well enough to be competitive in every game they play. The only thing holding them back is Hill.

Winning the WAC would be a start. And this is the year to do it.

Glass-half-full prediction: An upset or two in non-conference, a WAC championship, and a mid-tier bowl appearance

Glass-half-empty prediction: Five losses in non-conference, two more in WAC play, and staying home for bowl season

Way too early completely irresponsible highly speculative probably wrong score prediction

Boise State 49, Fresno State 7

Your turn

What do you think of this Fresno State team? Would the Bulldogs be better off without Pat Hill? Would Pat Hill be better off without facial hair? Share your thoughts in the comments.

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I like Pat Hill, and hope the Bulldogs win the wac.

Fresno always seems to play us tough at home, so I can’t go with the 49-7 score. I see a 34-10 outcome.

"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee

by blue4areason on Jun 28, 2011 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Last years game was the most complete game we played.

I expect the same this year, Broncos 54 Dogs 3.

I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.

by Dothework on Jun 28, 2011 8:47 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I hate to say this,

but I agree that Pat Hill should go despite everything he has done for Fresno. And I hate say this even more, but Fresno should hire Mike Leach.

First, Pat Hill is Fresno State football and he has created more for that school then it has ever achieved for itself. Second, I hate the fact that Mike Leach is stuck in the no man’s land that he is in and he deserves, IMHO, a HC position at a school that is better than Fresno. That being said, Leach could take Fresno from its classic 7-8 wins a year to 9-10 wins a year in a very short time. Leach has proved he can produce a very competitive football team with the exact kind of talent that Fresno can recruit in the middle of Pac-12 country.

Broncos 42 – Bulldogs 13

by idaho_techsan on Jun 28, 2011 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I think there is a lot to be said about comparing Lubbock to Fresno. Fresno is ONE of the arm pits of California

and getting Old Miss to come to Fresno is a pretty good deal, in my opinion. Mike Leach did not really have a lot of OOC competition similar to what Fresno State had, all he had was a weak Big Six conference, where Texas Tech was, except for one year in his tenure, third fiddle or worse. So I don’t see it as he deserves something better than Fresno State.

I think Leach is in a classic JoePa situation, where he needs to upgrade his assistants. I don’t know that he’s in a Bobby Bowden situation, where he’s overstayed his welcome.

But KL is right, if he can’t win or come close to winning the WAC this fall, then it’s time to hang up the old mustache.

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jun 28, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean upgrade assistants like,

Dana Holgerson = HC at WVU
Art Briles = HC at Baylor
Ruffin McNeil = HC at ECU
Lincoln Riley = OC at ECU
just to name a few assistants of Leach while at Tech. He also coached 3 Heisman finalists at QB, one who is now the Co-OC at Oklahoma.

Why would Leach need to play greater OOC competition, when he faced OU, Texas, Texas A&M, & OSU every year and played Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas ST & Kansas (while they were good) twice every four years. During his tenure at Tech he faced Iowa (2 times), Alabama, Cal, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Michigan State, Virginia, Minnesota, Clemson & TCU. Now I am a big BSU supporter, but we have played 2 of these teams listed and have scheduled 2 of these teams listed. Fresno State, despite their willingness to play tough teams, is not a job on the same level of Texas Tech, Kentucky or Oklahoma, where Leach has either been the head man in charge or the #2 man in charge.

by idaho_techsan on Jun 28, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

We get it. You have big wood for Leach

He’d probably appreciate having you on the jury.

If Leach didn’t have baggage, he would have done better than Maryland as a Look See. If he couldn’t even manage Maryland, you have to admit he has baggage.

I’m sure the Big “12” will love to have you on their side. I’m not impressed with the Big “12” as a conference, for the entirety of the Mike Leach era.

As far as everything else I stated, I stand by it. And I’m not replying any further. You disagree with part of it of all it, fine. I’ve got a museum to get to and a bike ride by the lake. Have fun typing you little heart out.

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jun 28, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

pay no nevermind, id tech...you've been 'absent' long enough and he doesn't know who you are

maybe the bike ride will work off some that stored estrogen, or is it some other hormone?

fresno could really benefit from leach, who knows the feel of a high octane program…

as opposed to Pat, who says his car is a ferrari, but sounds suspiciously like a shelby

"High profile players demand high profile compliance", P. Dees, NCAA Chair. Refc. pending inquiries to tOSU, Auburn, USC...

by NotsoSchizo on Jun 28, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

No worries....

We are all feeling the pain of the summer break and the lack of CFB gets us all worked up into a frenzy. Between a busy work (travel) schedule and the above mentioned “pain” my comments and presence on OBNUG has certainly been diminished. That and typing on a smart phone sucks.

Either way, I felt Leach being let go by TT was a good thing and I feel TT is heading in a better direction. My opinion on Leach is that he is too valuable to be sitting in Key West playing Pirate and drinking with Jimmy Buffet and not turning someone’s program in the right direction. Drinking and playing Pirate with Jimmy Buffet in Key West is better suited gig for Munson!

I save my Big Wood for fly fishing on the Big Wood……

by idaho_techsan on Jun 28, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually do a passable version of "Maragaritaville" on my Guild D-35, and Buffett's restaraunt makes a mean cheeseburger.

Not sure what playing Pirate means, but my fave S. Clay Wislon comic was Capt. Pissgums and His Pervert Pirates. Hope S. Clay is ok.

tvmunson

by tmunson on Jun 29, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Pirate reference is because Mike Leach is often known for his fascination with Pirates

He is often referred to as Captain Leach or the Dread Pirate Leach. He used to fly a Jolly Roger over the stadium during game days.

It was more a reference to him playing Pirate, but I can still picture you leaning against a bar rail with Jimmy Buffet asking the fair ladies as they walk by have they seen your “treasure” or “where’s me booty?”

by idaho_techsan on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

speaking of Buffet and facial hair, love that "pencil thin mustache" that JB does. Great rhythm.

If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change the way you think about it. Maya Angelou
BSU changes the BCS! 2011

by boiseblues on Jun 29, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fresno is not going anywhere without money. They don't have an alumni base, compared to other schools

and the State of California is cutting deeply into a lot of California state budgets, including higher education. That’s not going to help the San Jose Spartans either. They could hire Nick Saban and he could bring Mike Stoops and Mack Brown as Assistant HCs, and a dream team of coordinators, assuming they’d all work for peanuts, and still not get very far without some additional financial resources.

Estrogen? Seriously?

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jun 28, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

eeeeesy big fella...no need to get all worked up with your own team

"High profile players demand high profile compliance", P. Dees, NCAA Chair. Refc. pending inquiries to tOSU, Auburn, USC...

by NotsoSchizo on Jun 29, 2011 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Read HILL for Leach regarding my assistant comment and it makes a lot more sense (pretend it's a typo) -- and

explains why I essentially ignored your comments in reply about Leach’s assistant, as they were relevant to my point.

BTW, no where do I say that I think Leach is a bad coach. If you think this is one sided, you’re very sensitive. I’m just not going to spend a nice summer typing with someone with a fixated opinion. We don’t disagree that Pat Hill could be replaced. We may disagree on when and how he should be replaced. I didn’t offer a comment on Leach other than I think he’s an unlikely serious candidate for Fresno State, for any number of reasons, mostly related to cash.

The only thing we really disagreed on was that FSU was a step down for Leach. Given that a tool like Lane Kiffin can get fired by Al Davis, go to the Volunteers and can survive a change of AD and President and still be at USC, then perhaps there MAY be some validity to your point. But that’s the same kind of attitude that gets people to make comments like ‘Chris Petersen was stupid to turn down Stanford for Boise State.’

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jun 28, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said above there is no worries...

It was just, at least in my mind, some miscommunication between the two of us. And yes, if you insert Hill for where you wrote Leach, your post makes more sense at the point your were trying make that Hill could play the role of a JoePa and hire some more involved assistants.

1) Where I say it is probably time for Hill to go, I did not clarify how I think he should go. I think that he should not be fired or let go, but actually elevated to the position of AD. Again, Pat Hill, is Fresno Football and he has lead that school with honor and distinction, see his pay cut to help the school to achieve fiscal balance.

2) I do understand that the State of California is experiencing difficulty in funding education and “yes” Mike Leach would probably not get the pay he has achieved in the past, but with his current Sirrus/XM Radio show and new book along with past financial success his problem is not the $$$, but the lack of a coaching position.

3) I certainly do believe Mike Leach has baggage, hence my “stuck in no man’s land” as a reference to his baggage. All that said and with all his quirks with the media and the school administrators , the man has his priorities straight with his players. He achieved the highest graduation rate of any school in Big XII during his entire tenure as a HC and he was, not unlike Coach Pete, always willing to find the underrated player with heart and recruit that kid and give him a chance if he was willing to bust his butt for the team.

4) The Step-Down in program comment, again in my honest opinion, Fresno would be a step down for Leach. I say that, because I do think he should be in one of the sorely overrated cliche “Big 6” Conferences (SEC, B1G 10, etc.) because that is where he did work, but I suggested him as a possibility because, as said above, he needs to re-build his reputation and needs a place to coach football to do so.

Sorry for the diatribe, but I post this so that my thoughts are more clear to you and not lost between the lines. I would prefer to have banter with everyone at OBNUG and not be avoided because I am not enjoyable to interact with. So I am sorry if offended you and hopefully look to have discussions in the future.

by idaho_techsan on Jun 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

a doctor of cheeseology

A professional who makes cheese is referred to as either a “cheese maker” or “fromagere” but I’m not sure what a doctor of cheese is. Or a doctor of cheese on your head!

Noel.Diggity.....NO DOUBT!
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by Noel.Diggity on Jul 4, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is a great analogy.

does enough to be above .500, but lackluster and doesn’t capitalize on talent.

12 years in a row. 22-17-1 overall record.
Suck it Vandals
Twitter: @damienbsu

by Grindhouse on Jun 28, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pat Hill always carries the expression of a man contemplating a high colonic or witnessing his mother get one.

Didn’t he agree to less money to continue at Fresno? I think article essentially says it all. Moribund program with a placeholder coach who, like the nicest girl in your senior class, people accept, even kinda’ like, but no one gets “hot” about.

tvmunson

by tmunson on Jun 28, 2011 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

He did agree to less money

God bless him. I love college football, but college coaches’ salaries are ridiculous.

Romantic Puppy Surprise

by marktgarten on Jun 28, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hill...it's legendary epic alongside the epics of Homer

While Akey’s is like cult-classic legendary, people know about it, but either don’t care or overly obsessed.

Hill’s is like “DUDE HIS FU-MANCHU IS AWESOME. I WANT HIM ON MY SIDE IN A BAR FIGHT”

/note:wouldratherhaveHillonmysideinabarfightthanAkey

"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules

by greekpadre on Jun 28, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is bleeping funny and spot on.

I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.

by Dothework on Jun 28, 2011 10:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ah, and there's the rub

How many coaches could Fresno get who are better than Hill? Get rid of Hill and get an Akey, and you haven’t real solved anything.

"Can you smell it? There's a life force in here tonight." - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Jun 28, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

kind of like moving from the vacated WAC to the vacated MWC?

"High profile players demand high profile compliance", P. Dees, NCAA Chair. Refc. pending inquiries to tOSU, Auburn, USC...

by NotsoSchizo on Jun 28, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

he has been there too long

A fresh start would be good for everyone involved.

Sometime you need to get a different job—not necessarily a better job, but a different one with different problems. I think Patty would be better off with a fresh start somewhere else (oline coach in the NFL?).

Fresno isn’t a great job, but it’s time for someone else to push the rock up the hill. And find someone with an offense. You wouldn’t lose half your games in the fourth quarter if you blew them out in the first half.

by ElPepeGrande on Jun 30, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'd go with hill.

12 years in a row. 22-17-1 overall record.
Suck it Vandals
Twitter: @damienbsu

by Grindhouse on Jun 28, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tried to structure a suggestion above

yet that brought about a one-sided scuffle instead of a debate, but I digress with this post.

In all reality, my thoughts would be a once competent HC with a now blemished reputation, not unlike Neuheisel at UCLA.. Someone that needs to gain a foot hold in the sport again. Maybe a Jim Leavitt from USF or I will even go as far as a Mangino, just to see the “kill it with fire” comments….

by idaho_techsan on Jun 28, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I like the bulldogs

they have some pretty good fans. I kind of feel bad for them though. The expectations are almost always high, and then they play Boise State….and the wheels come off.

by boise on Jun 28, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed TDown class act.

I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.

by Dothework on Jun 28, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for summing up what I wanted to say & quote.

I like Pat Hill because he likes us. Does that make him a suckup? No, I think it makes him contemplative, analytical, objective, and somewhat resigned. Look where he’s working! Fresno! I wonder what he did in a previous life that earned him this stint in Fresno. It would be exceedingly difficult to recruit kids to Fresno.
Akey? My distaste for UofI is so pervasive that I am not capable of a thoughtful response on the man’s behalf.

If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change the way you think about it. Maya Angelou
BSU changes the BCS! 2011

by boiseblues on Jun 28, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fresno has amazing fruit stands

No joke. The San Joaquin Valley has some of the richest farmland in the world.

Fresno also has … wintertime fog to make driving extra dangerous?

Fresno’s a tough sell because although it has some nice things, most of those nice things you can find elsewhere, and that elsewhere will have fewer bad things.

Romantic Puppy Surprise

by marktgarten on Jun 29, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, you're right.

I know you’re right marktgarten. San Joaquin Valley is in all the CA history books, and Fresno does have some redeeming qualities. I’m just thinking kids may prefer a little more outdoor recreation and scenic beauty and a little less gang. But maybe not. I’d pass, though.
Fruit stands vs. Pacific Ocean. Hmmmm. let me see.

If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change the way you think about it. Maya Angelou
BSU changes the BCS! 2011

by boiseblues on Jun 29, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only mentioned the fruit stands

because the best grapes I’ve ever had in my life were purchased at a Fresno county fruit stand. Even with the understanding that rural produce stands are better places to get produce than at the best city grocery stores, it was great.

Otherwise, what I know about Fresno comes from handling coverage matters involving claims from trucking companies located there. Not to disparage people who drive tractor-trailer rigs, but the trucking industry is shady as hell. “Oh, sure! That driver who can’t refuse trips, who can be fired without cause, who doesn’t own his own rig, who doesn’t set his own routes – sure he’s an ‘independent contractor.’ Calling him an independent contractor is not at all a way to dodge tax and labor laws, and get insurance coverage for when his next of kin sues you for making him drive long hours in violation of federal transportation laws!”

Romantic Puppy Surprise

by marktgarten on Jun 29, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling that you and me

could have a good long talk about just how shady the trucking industry really is these days. But part of it is drivers being too stupid to figure out what they are signing before they sign it. Owner Op is the only way to go these days and even then I will pass for the time being. Time to use my GI Bill.

by Inkforareason on Jun 30, 2011 5:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the reasons to love OBNUG continue to grow.

The cheese cat made my day…it may have made my life. I’ve considered using that picture as the focal point for all my beliefs, hopes and dreams. If art is supposed to challenge you, then consider the cheese cat my new Picasso.

by ThePhlipinSituation on Jun 29, 2011 5:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Kevan, I see your cat with a slice of cheese on its head

and raise you a bunny with a pancake on its head.

I am stealing your cat with a slice of cheese on it’s head photo.

by Inkforareason on Jun 29, 2011 6:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Your pancake is real food. That slice of "cheese" is not. Processed imitation food product. You may want to rethink the trade.

If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change the way you think about it. Maya Angelou
BSU changes the BCS! 2011

by boiseblues on Jun 29, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i’m not sure if they still sell that. potted meat is probably right below spam or vienna sausages….maybe

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by Noel.Diggity on Jul 4, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

...and another thing (or three)

I like Pat Hill. He’s a stand-up guy.

I don’t like the city of Fresno. It’s a hole.

I apologize if that offends anybody. (Check that—I actually don’t care one bit.)

by TJofCHITOWN on Jun 29, 2011 6:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Pre-Snap read update.

It came in last night with a ranking of 63.

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by Loque on Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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