TCU upsets Boise State: Three reasons why
by Kevan Lee on Nov 13, 2011 6:00 AM PST
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With Boise State's loss to TCU still taunting us in the rearview mirror, I thought I'd look back at what went wrong for the Broncos on Saturday. And then we're totally moving on. Get ready to bury those emotions on Monday, people.
But until then, here are five reasons why TCU was able to pull the upset over Boise State. Vote in the poll and share your thoughts in the comments.
TCU exploited Boise State's secondary
The Broncos have been bitten by big plays all season long, particularly in the passing game. Gary Patterson and his staff noticed, and the deep pass was on. Now finding a weakness and exploiting a weakness are two different things, as Colorado State made obvious when it missed on several deep throws. Casey Pachall missed his first but nailed his next three, which is exactly how TCU drew it up.
Speaking of TCU receivers running past Bronco corners ...
Boise State injuries cost them
The Broncos were missing their No. 1 and No. 2 cornerbacks on Saturday with Jerrell Gavins and Jamar Taylor out, and No. 3 corner Ebo Makinde left after giving up his second long TD catch. Playing with a true freshman (Lee Hightower) and a sophomore (Quaylon Ewing-Burton), the Bronco secondary looked completely vulnerable, and TCU made BSU pay.
And the injuries didn't stop there. Drew Wright was on the field for his fourth quarter fumble because of an injuries to Doug Martin, who didn't play, and D.J. Harper, who played like a champ until four carries before The Fumble.
Speaking of fumbles ...
TCU recovered more fumbles than Boise State
Of the six fumbles in the game, the Horned Frogs recovered five of them. If you believe fumble recovery is mostly luck (the way the ball bounces, and so on and so forth) and that teams recover about 50 percent of fumbles, then TCU had a decided advantage on Saturday. Both Bronco fumbles were recovered by the Horned Frogs, and three of the four TCU fumbles stayed with TCU. The one that didn't was returned by Tyrone Crawford for a touchdown.
Reason No. 4?
You tell me. What else do you think contributed to Boise State's loss to TCU? What do you think was the most important factor? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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Some of the people on the postgame thread really pissed me off.
Did Coach Pete make a couple bad calls at the worst possible time yesterday? Yes. Does that make him a bad coach? BW no.
I know what a poorly-coached team looks like, I watch one every Sunday. Rest assured, it looks nothing like our team.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I only got on there at about 12:30 AM EDT...
…glad I wasn’t part of the conversation. It looked kind of ugly. I made my one comment and went to bed.
Anyone who is calling for Coach Pete’s head really is ridiculous.
BSU at Rutgers or UConn? I am SO there.
by NYBroncosFan on Nov 13, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody was calling for Pete's head...
Or saying that he was a bad coach. He is one of the greatest coaches to ever coach this game, but putting your homerism aside, yesterday’s game was the worst coached game I have ever seen from a Chris Petersen lead team. In the end, he made a biggest mistake of his career in taking the ball out of the hands of Kellen Moore and onto the foot of Dan Goodale. It’s called criticism and hopefully we will all get better from it.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
I don't know
Was it bad play calling by Coach Pete? Or bad decision’s by Kellen Moore? I know either thought could be considered blaspheme here, but it could be either, or both, or none. What if the TCU defense dictated those throws to Kellen?
"All we can do is win the games on our schedule" - Coach Pete
by givemesomemoore on Nov 14, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
One of the best games of the year actually
ESPN is probably sorry they missed it…all they got some blowouts and missplaced manlove from Herbie and ancient Muss (Luck).
We all gave Patterson some grief before the game for his funny habits, but as always, he was humble in victory and is a credit to TCU. Man I hope he tears up the Big 12.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
by HSridge on Nov 13, 2011 6:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's what a "classic" looks like people.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 13, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
The 2007 Fiesta Bowl was also a classic...
Yet, Oklahoma probably doesn’t have the fondest memories of it. A game is really only a ‘classic’ if your on the winning side.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
No, a Classic is a Classic.
Nevada was a classic.
by Bring the HAMMER! on Nov 13, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
I don't remember playing Nevada last year???????? as i don't remember playing TCU this year either....
MrsDiggity.......NO DOUBT
Idaho skies are Blue and Orange
IT"S BW GAME DAY!!!
"Long" pass attempts on the final drive.
Curiously long pass attempts at midfield with plenty of time and two time outs. We got a lifeline on the 4th down, but I thought that was a curiously conservative set of passes . . . I wasn’t at the game and couldn’t see all the routes . . . perhaps the shorter, timing routes were covered.
Those passes on the final drive
where it looked like Kellen was way off on his throws, he was throwing to timing routes and no way he could be that far off. It looked to me like our recievers were being held and they finally called one on fourth down.
"Kellen Moore has shown the difference between best in the SEC & and best in the Nation" - pjohn56
I agree
There was plenty of time to keep chipping away with 5-7 yard catches instead of the longer ones. Overall, I think that was a poorly run (play calls) 2-minute drill. By no means am I going to give up on the coaches or the team but things could have been handled better. However, I have played enough sports in my day to know that there will always be times you look back on a game and think “if I had only done…”. It is why the games are played. I feel bad for the kids but as they say “greatness is born from adversity”. They can still win the rest of the games and end up in the Top 10 standings, which is a great accomplishment. Go Broncos!
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." -- Dan Hawkins
by smurfturfer on Nov 13, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
If you're reading this before you vote.....
Technically if it weren’t for the injuries then the secondary wouldn’t be the one to blame… Just thought you should know that.
My thoughts exactly...
…those two options are pretty much intertwined. We need more depth at that position, it’s really the one area where we don’t have much.
BSU at Rutgers or UConn? I am SO there.
by NYBroncosFan on Nov 13, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
TCU deserves a ton of credit for recognizing that weakness in their gameplan.
BSU at Rutgers or UConn? I am SO there.
by NYBroncosFan on Nov 13, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And also due to injuries..
I feel like Doug Martin doesn’t stick that ball on the turf on the game sealing drive. I though Coach Pete said we could use him if we needed him? After Harper went out, I can’t think of a time we needed him more.
by Bring the HAMMER! on Nov 13, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think
the injuries totally dictated the outcome of the game. If they did, TCU would have ended with a lot more than 33 yards rushing. I think lack of experience in the secondary had a lot more affect on the outcome. If QEB had more experience (like Kyle Wilson) he would not have gone for the pick on the 2 point conversion and simply knocked the ball away. He was in perfect position to knock the ball away. Yes, injuries have dictated the playing time in the secondary, but I think their lack of experience mattered more.
"All we can do is win the games on our schedule" - Coach Pete
by givemesomemoore on Nov 14, 2011 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
Agree wholeheartedly
However, I think we were foolish not to address our kicking game. We all knew we would need to be able to make a FG when it counted – most of us just assumed it would be a bowl game. A 39-yarder should be made.
by Boise State Chris on Nov 13, 2011 7:12 AM PST reply actions
Totally off topic but...
do any of you know what Christopher Santini had to say about the game yesterday?? Scout said he was at the game for his official visit and they asked him what he thought about the game.
If I was him, being recruited as a safety/nickle (or whatever he actually will play) it would have been tough to watch the secondary get torched all night like that.
by Future_Demagogue on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 AM PST reply actions
3rd down conversions
we were 5 of 13 or 38%. We kept putting ourselves in in 3rd and long situations and you can’t sustain drives that way.
"We do not take counsel of our fears, our naysayers, or the unknown" Coach Pete 1-1-07
Other. Two things. First, coach K's refusal to blitz especially in the first half.
The DB’s were getting hung out to dry, and your decision sealed their fate. Second,the decision to put the game in the hands of a less than steady freshman kicker. WTF, you have a Heisman Trophy finalist at QB! Spin it any way you like, these decisions bit Bronco Nation and these players on the (bw). I feel really bad for them.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Nov 13, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
did you notice that Pachall couldn’t handle the blitz? Every time we blitzed he threw it away. I couldn’t figure out for the life of me why he didn’t keep that pressure up.
I went to sleep tired and annoyed...now I'm awake, tired and annoyed.
I will say this: We didn’t play that badly overall. Our secondary was not good and obviously kicking has been a yearlong problem, but all other phases were pretty good. The secondary problems are totally related to an overall lack of depth…makes me want that Rios kid to re-consider coming here.
BSU at Rutgers or UConn? I am SO there.
Fumbles, Fumbles, Fumbles....
I was extremely disappointed in them. Especially from Burroughs, who is supposed to be a veteran on this team. This has been a problem we’ve seen with him quite a bit over the past few weeks… And right before Drew Wright put the ball on the ground, I was talking him up and very excited to see him get play time when it counts. He looked impressive on the few runs before the fumble. But there are no excuses for these…
by BroncoKodman on Nov 13, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed...
Also, our inability to recover fumbles on defense. This have been a yearlong problem and even longer than that. If you remember, Nevada put the ball on the ground like four times last year, and they recovered every single one of them. As for Wright, he is a really good back, never been tackled for a loss I believe, but ball-security should have been of the utmost importance in that situation.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
Don't want to 2nd-guess Coach Pete, but....
I have never understood from day 1 why the staff elected to redshirt Van Ginkel. This game shouldn’t have come down to a field goal attempt; BSU had plenty of opportunities to put this game away without having to rely on an untested and average kicker. Not placing any blame whatsoever on Goodale; he was put in an extremely difficult position, that quite frankly, did not have an opportunity all season to prepare for. It’s just tough to watch a missed field goal end the game when you’ve got a scholarship kicker on the sidelines who could have made that kick in his sleep.
I agree,
Can’t come too hard on Goodale. Dissapointed of course, but deep down we knew he had a 20% or less chance of making that kick.
Still, we got to trush Coach Pete. Just hard to understand what the thinking was with the clock stopped and 30 secs on 3rd down. Even down by one and in relative easy fg range, we had a kicker who gets a standing o whenever he makes an extra point and a qb who might be the greatest qb to ever play college fb. Can’t help but think we put our trust in the wrong guy, even considering the odds…..
Chris Petersen is in the dictionary next to the word AWESOME.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've thought about this many times
and the only reason I can come up with is that he figured he could just go for it on 4th down since Moore was in his final year and he wants to save Van Ginkel for the whole non-Moore 4-year stretch.
That, or maybe Van Ginkel just isn’t that impressive in practice.
Penalties
To Blubyeu: So they “finally” called one of the holding penalties by TCU’s secondary? What a joke!! Every post game show I saw yesterday starting with ESPN Game Day Final commented on what a questionable call that was on a pass that was 10 feet over everyone’s head. In that same series of downs, Stansly Maponga was practically undressed by the offensive lineman blocking him when he was coming around the outside of the pocket to sack Moore – I don’t see you complaining about that holding call! What a great win for the Frogs – it was great to see them stick it to the Mountain West for their petty move in shifting this game from Fort Worth to Idaho. Especially after all this program has done for the conference – tens of millions of $$$$ in BCS bowl game revenues and tremendous national press exposure for back to back BCS appearances. Too bad this rivalry has to end here. BSU always plays us tough and our games with the Broncos have been hard fought and exciting.
Frog
Cangrats on the win, you guys played an outstanding game. And you are right that 4th down call was questionable. To be honest at the time I felt like it was a ‘make up call’. I was addressing why Kellens passes were off, that’s not like him. And yes you guys have so much for that conference, too bad your are leaving. I wich we could get in the big 12 with you. This could have been an awesome long term rivaly.
I root for TCU except when they are play us. I met a lot great TCU fans in Glendale. Good luck going forward.
"Kellen Moore has shown the difference between best in the SEC & and best in the Nation" - pjohn56
ready to buck up
First off…maaaaaan I can’t believe TCU got away with that win.
We all saw what happened. TCU made every play when they had to have it. BSU had more than enough chances to put the game away and didn’t. We just had too many injured Broncos. Too many young guys were out there facing such a high-quality team. At the end of the day, we know this isn’t a team worthy of elite status. But don’t let the haters and AQ-supporting traditionalists tell you this isn’t a great team, or that it’s all over for BSU with Kellen Moore gone next year. Remember, the Broncos don’t lose to those morons.
The fact is, our guys can use an experience like this. The young DBs who got burned way too many times by the Frogs were shown what it’s gonna take to play championship ball. They know what level they need to reach to make sure it doesn’t happen again. (And they were getting better as the game went on.)
And what of Mr. Goodale? Sure, a lot of us are wondering why the coaches didn’t let Kellen try to win the game at the end. But at some point, Dan had to get the ball with the game on the line. He needed to face that pressure, to know what it feels like. I know a lot of us are high on Jake Van Ginkel and are anxious to see what he can do next season. But what if he gets hurt, or somehow he doesn’t work out for us? Then at least we still have a kicker with a year’s experience and an offseason to improve.
Meanwhile in the here and now, we have to cheer our Broncos on to four more wins, and send the seniors out with a big five-oh. They need us. Ignore the haters, because BSU isn’t going away. Bronco Nation won’t let them.
GO BRONCOS!
by hummerofdoom on Nov 13, 2011 9:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
We did not get any pressure on TCU's quarterback.
That is what was missing yesterday. That lack of pressure exposed the one on one coverage by the corners, enabling double moves and deep balls.
by drthvtr on Nov 13, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
That's a rec.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Nov 13, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you
You can’t put the long passes only on the Secondary. It takes time to get down the field on a long pass and TCU’s QB was “making sandwiches” all day long. That being said, we’re looking at a class of seniors that have lost 3 games in 4 years, are you kiddin’ me! This team will win out, be the class with the most wins in a career and have a QB that will set a record that will NEVER be broken. It was disappointing to lose but this is still a very good team and I’m proud of their effort yesterday.
by BluManU on Nov 13, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Was Winn in the game?
I didn’t see him and this is another injury we could have used.
I saw winn in the last series but didnt notice him before that.
by I'm the man. on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I believe he played quite a bit in the second half. Martin only got in during the final few plays.
by KyleWilson01 on Nov 13, 2011 2:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
did anyone notice D.J. Harper getting up slowly after that huge hit just before the fumble?
I think I saw the signs of a cuncussion and the fumble could have been caused by this.
I wrote earlier that the coach should have his butt kicked for not exercising a few field goal attempts to get Goodale used to performing in a game….but we are not coaches and the blame game could go on forever.
Good game guys and done without many of the regulars…We’re still a top team.
Not as bad as I thought.
The AP has BUS at #10, the Coaches Poll # 11 and CBS Sports BCS projections which have been right on so far at # 12. We will see.
Our ranking is now irrelevant
We are now inelegible for the non-AQ autobid as we cannot win our conference.
Our only hope is an at-large and that does not look very likely this year. Stanford, for example would be in the at-large pool as would either OU or OSU.
Ranking is meaningless at this point. Frankly, all of our season goals went down the drain. At least last year we had the token of sharing the conference championship.
Now we see the real advantage of being a name-brand team. It’s damn hard to go undefeated and only a relative handfull of teams get the benefit of making mistakes.
by SoCalBroncoFan on Nov 13, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Perspective
OUCH!
Yeah, that hurt. But you know what, I love those kids! What a game. But it was only a game. That’s all.
We’ve been tremendously entertained through the years by the Boys in Blue. They dropped one (by a mere point), but they’re still a great team. Better than most, perhaps not as good as some. But I love those kids!
I read a few hundred of the comments after the game, and I am disappointed in the attitudes of some of the posters. “Gee, we have the lousy record of 8-1 this season, so it’s time to clean house.” All too often, I saw the word, blame. Blame is a fool’s game, folks. In my opinion, true Bronco fans will refuse to play it. As for the team — I love those kids!
Like Kevan says above, we’re totally moving on.
Though a man be overthrown ten thousand times, still must he rise and again do battle. The Enchanter may confuse the outcome, but the effort is sublime.
—Don Quixote
P.S. I love those kids!
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.
by SeniorChief on Nov 13, 2011 11:32 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Fumbles and poor coverage killed em
Sad to see a few kids ruin another opportunity at a BCS Bowl Game bid for Kellen. Next year is gonna be a little bumpy if you ask me, I’m really bummed that (thanks to the non-AQ SOS crap) this team will be relegated to crappy 3rd tier bowl game…crap
Tough loss for sure
….. Still, as a senior at Boise State and witnessing my first home loss during my entire college period is remarkable. Those kids (my peers, to an extent) have spoiled us with the ridiculuos win pct over the last 4 years. Go Blue, Go Coach Pete
As for the game, it’s a tough pill to swallow. The secondary was going to be a weakspot but it was too injury deprived to hold off the TCU attack. Kellen had an average game for Kellen’s standards. Can’t blame Goodale or Wright too much, they were being asked to do things that we should have never asked of them.
Tough loss to swallow
Chris Petersen is in the dictionary next to the word AWESOME.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2011 11:49 AM PST reply actions
But for the injuries, Boise State would have been in a much better position to win
Nonetheless, I can’t vote for “injuries” because: (1) we don’t know that we would have won had Martin, Gavins, et al. played; (2) we do know that TCU killed us with the deep pass; and (3) I think that voting “injuries” takes something away from what TCU did (though not as bad as the “you didn’t beat us, we beat ourselves” talk that thankfully Bronco fans haven’t been saying). TCU recognized BSU’s weakest point and hit ‘em there multipile times with success. Hats off to TCU and there fans, who, despite TCU’s successes, are pretty cool and aren’t horrid like some other fanbases. Hopefully SDSU and the rest of teams Boise State will play this year won’t be able to repeat what TCU did.
I don't believe in dibs, or love at first sight, or love, or best friends, or doing things.
TCU is like the rival Nevada has been forever, it is so great to have those teams!
What a great game.
There may be something to SOS? Are we more injured this year at this time?
We have no secondary.
Have a tryout campus wide for a kicker, there must be some foreign exchange soccer kid that can hit field goals all day long.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Nov 13, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions
Kicking 101
A rugby ball is closer than a soccer ball, but a football is still way hard to be accurate with. So no matter who we get, you have three people involved, and they have to be able to synchronize perfectly, under a lot of pressure. No other sport does it that way, so even when you can do it with your eyes closed, you still have to get past the fear part. Is the hike going to be perfect, is the placement going to be perfect, will nobody tip it or block it , and then will my footing be perfect, and kick be powerful & square enough. Add an entire stadium of high expectations of a great team and Wala>> your a Hero or a Chump. Welcome to the Kickers world…Alabama’s kicker(s) missed what 3 or 4. Our kicker missed 1, and so did TCU’s(extra pnt) Nobody’s mentioned that. TCU nailed us twice, that’s right twice on for 2 pnt PAT’s. You add 3, that’s right 3 burnt BSU secondaries for touchdowns. That’s 4 + 18 = 22 points, and were going to worry about 3 points our kicker missed? Defense didn’t stop anything (D-,) Offense definitely scored enough points to win( A), special teams, one good run back to start the game, then nothing, but no fumbles ©, Punting was excellent( A+), Kickoff coverage © Place kick offs7/7, pretty damn good, PATS 7/7perfect, PAT 0/1.( B)overall S.T. (B-) Its hard to blame the kicker when he made 14 out of 15 kicks and wasn’t even the worst part of the special teams, whom did enough to keep us from losing. Pass coverage, turnovers, and goalline Defense allowed TCU to BARELY edge BSU yesterday. Fix that and we destroy TCU by 2 touchdowns. Kickers the least of our worries, and I guarantee Coach Pete knows it.
BS on the kicker ed. 101 nonsense
They pay some kickers over $1 million a year in the NFL. This is just another position that needs filled by someone who can accomplish the oh so hard task of kicking some stupid shaped ball through two metal uprights.
Any position that can score is highly important and can win games believe it or not.
No sympathy for any of our kickers for F sake.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Nov 14, 2011 5:37 AM PST up reply actions
?
They don’t pay Goodale 1 Million Dollars & that"s Mr. Nonsense to you. My son lives in Portland (:
UO
Hate to say it but the stupid Ducks looked real good.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Nov 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST reply actions
I can make you feel even worse....
We are now exposed. We also still have injuries to overcome. Just thought I’d help put this game behind us.
Blame Pete all you want, I still want him there for what’s to come.
Wright could be our only running back next week.
7 days isn’t much time for 5 or 6 other players to heal.
Wright is a good running back...
He just chose the worst possible time to put the football on the turf.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
Pete is human, he will continue to make mistakes.
He would be the first to say so.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Nov 13, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Well, obviously
Coach Pete didn’t call a time out so that he could consult with the many, many coaches here on OBNUG. Especially those who have won two Fiesta Bowls and make a couple of million a year.
If that sounds like sarcasm, it is. Sorry.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they, too, have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit.
I saw the Blue and Orange line ringing
I thought it was just another prank call I HAD NO IDEA COACH PETE was calling for MY advice I BLEW IT !!!!! I’m sorry Bronco NATION!!!
MrsDiggity.......NO DOUBT
Idaho skies are Blue and Orange
IT"S BW GAME DAY!!!
Broncos should still be BCS bowl bound
We are still the #1 non AQ so all is
Not lost right? We are right ahead of Houston this week at #10.
Doesn't matter...
We cannot win our conference so therefore we will be ineligible for the automatic bid. Our only hope is that we’re selected as an at-large team. It could happen, I mean it happened in 2009, but it is not likely this year.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
The non-AQ auto bid only goes to a top 12 non-AQ team which wins its conference.
Our chances of winning the conference are almost 0%. Even if BSU still qualified for an at large spot, it would be competing with the non-auto qualifiers from the Pac12, Big12, SEC and probably the ACC, too. The second best team in any of those conferences might be ranked higher than Boise State, and all would be more attractive to a bowl. Plus, let’s get real for a moment. Our secondary is in on crutches. If we played a team with a decent passing game, it would be a mighty struggle. If we played a team with a great passing game, like, say, Oklahoma State, it would be ugly.
I don't believe in dibs, or love at first sight, or love, or best friends, or doing things.
We know Coach is great!
But that’s what Fans have always done. Everybody gets so upset if someone gives an opinion about certain calls coach Pete made. I haven’t read one post that said “Get rid of Coach Pete”… Fans will forever throw their 2 cents in, as long as there are sports. I seriously doubt, Coach Pete is reading all these post to get advice on what he should have done, or if the fans like him or not. If he was then BSU is in trouble. All us couch coaches are trying to do, is guess what adjustments Coach Pete and Co. will make. We as fans have the luxury of doing that, “should of , could of, and oh, I would of” thing. So, please lighten up on on the personal jabs, were all BSU fans with different opinions, and you know what is said about opinions……
If...
Goodale had made that kick, everybody would be singing the praise of how smart Coach Pete was for centering the ball. It goes both ways folks.
"Kellen Moore has shown the difference between best in the SEC & and best in the Nation" - pjohn56
Nope
I would have said we got lucky. Sometimes a bad call still works out in your favor and that’s what I bet most people would have chalked up a Goodale FG to.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut ever once in awhile.
by FrmrBronco on Nov 13, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Umm...you serious?
Goodale has struggled to make even the simplest extra points. He hasn’t even been trusted to kick field goals all season and his long on the year was banked off the left upright. So yeah, let’s take the ball out of the hands of the greatest quarterback to ever play the game and put it on the foot of a proven unreliable kicker.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
Not today..
He didn’t struggle with his kicks today, 4-0 PATs, tha’ts why I fell coach had faith in him. Even you have to admit Moore wasn’t quite the same after that hit from Tank. He wasn’t exactly having a stellar final drive. Coach looked extremely relieved after that interference call.
Nailed it.
Goodale over KM at the end of a game? Sorry, never going to buy that one.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
THE GROWSINGS OF AN OLD COACH
I HAVE PLAYED THE GAME SINCE 1951, WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD! I HAVE COACHED LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE HAVE LIVED, OVER 50 YRS! I REFFED A GOOD PART OF THAT TIME, AND I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT!
FIRST: THE INJURIES HURT BSU! WE MISSED WINN CHARGING UP THE MIDDLE!
SECOND: WE MISSED DOUG MARTIN’S POWER RUNNING!
THIRD: WE MISSED JAMAR TAYLOR’S ONE ON ONE COVERAGE!
FOURTH: I BLAME THE COACHING STAFF! THEY KNEW WHAT TCU WAS GOING TO TRY, AND THEY DIDN’T PREPARE THE GUYS WELL ENOUGH!
FIFTH: TCU WAS MORE INTENSE, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL! SHEA AND TYRONE WERE NOT GETTING TO POOHBAH, OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS! BILLY WINN WOULD HAVE ALLOWED FOR THIS, AS HE WOULD HAVE BLOWN UP THE POCKET AND MADE HIM SCRAMBLE
SIXTH: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A GOOD KICKER? THIS LAST SECOND POINT BLANK MISSED FIELD GOAL HAS GOT TO STOP!!! THE THREE GAMES THAT BSU HAS LOST WITH KELLEN AT THE HELM, HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF MISSED FIELD GOALS!
2 AGAINST TCU IN THE POINSETTIA BOWL,
2 AGAINST NEVADA LAST YEAR, AND
1 AGAINST TCU YESTERDAY!!
MEMO TO COACH PETE!! FIND A RELIABLE KICKER! GET SOMEBODY OFF THE SOCCER TEAM IF NOTHING ELSE!!
Again!
The kicker is not the problem, he made 5 good kickoffs & all of his PATs. That’s 100% before he missed 1, or 9 out of 10 for 90%. Nobody came close to that %, except maybe the punter
Stop trolling...
You are either Goodale himself or a troll. I’m going with troll because otherwise you would know that Trevor Harman is the kickoff specialist.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.
OK then
My mistake, but MY OPINION says that one or the other should do all the kicking. The more kicking you do, the better chance your confidence and accuracy will be there when you most need it. Hey, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t call me a troll, none of my remarks here warrant that. We all make mistakes, including you.
I voted "Other"
To me, there wasn’t really any ONE thing that caused us to lose moreso than the others. There was the missed FG. There was the fact we had no sacks. Bad reffing job. Bad O’line play. Youth at DB. The play calling on the last drive. Kellen missing uncharacteristically on a sure-thing TD and on the last drive. Injuries. 2 untimely fumbles. Untimely penalties.
Where to start? Where to place blame? Well, for me I’m doing neither. Going into this season we knew we were iffy at DB and in the kicking game. Sadly, most of the season I’ve seen shades of this weekend’s game and it all finally came together to cost us the game. Am I mad? I was at first. But you know, just like Coach Pete says, it’s hard to go undefeated. I’m disappointed, sure. But regardless of that disappointment, I’m still a Bronco fan through and through. Nothing will ever change that. Nothing ever could. Hell, I was a fan even through “The Streak”, so why would I change my loyalties now? As the saying goes, “Shit happens and then you move on.” (I know, I know…BW and all, but BW just doesn’t convey the right meaning.)
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In the kickers defense
If Goodale would have made that kick, he would have bailed out the Defense. No matter how you slice it, they allowed 36 points,and that’s what lost the game. Come on, when was the last time the Broncos had to score more than 35 points to win?
Tough loss, guys
I was pulling for you, and I know (all too well) how much this kind of loss hurts. I remain impressed not only with the Broncos team, but with the quality of your fanbase. Best of luck through the rest of your year. I don’t think KM, Winn, Martin, and friends are quite ready to fold up the tent yet.
That was a heck of a game, though.
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Condolences from an SEC outsider
Sorry for your loss, Bronco fans. For those of you who don’t “know me,” I am a Bama native/fan who has been visiting this blog for a few months now (and have thoroughly enjoyed it). I am not a Bama/SEC homer, and I think that BSU is an excellent team – one that could compete with (and BEAT) anybody in the nation on any given day – including my Tide. And I still believe that…even after yesterday’s loss. My spin on BSU over the years has always been the same: When you play enough teams on a regular basis that have a LEGIT shot at beating you, you will lose. It’s inevitable. It doesn’t matter how good you are, or how many times you could beat them if you played them 10 times (e.g., If BSU played TCU again, I’m pretty confident BSU wouldn’t give up 450+ yards in the air). From my perspective, yesterday was simply a statistical inevitability. From someone who’s felt such pain on a fairly consistent basis over the years, I promise – you will survive!
That said, on a personal note, I am truly going to miss a BSU/Bama sugar matchup. I feel that would have been a good match-up for both teams and I was looking forward to it. To this end, I really do hope BSU doesn’t get put in a shitty bowl. I’ll be pulling for Houston to lose in any event.
In closing, congrats again on a hell of a run at home. Looking forward to following BSU in the Big East.
by TIDE11 on Nov 13, 2011 3:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
who freaking cares...
We lost get over it. On to the next. GO BRONCOS!
by Mr.BombDonkey on Nov 13, 2011 6:10 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Must Have Been the Frog Slime
Conspiracy Theory Number 1: The Frogs were using slime that made it hard for the Bronc’s to stick to their receivers, to hold on to the ball, and caused Kellen to slip and fall dropping back to pass in the fourth quarter.
Now we know what to look out for in the last few games. Go Broncos!
Read about half the comments, didn't feel a few people really had any idea what they were talking about, or maybe I just saw something else
1. FG attempt at end of game:
- 50/50 decision
- low timeouts, little time
- defense that had locked our receivers down in the previous attempts
- miracle 4th down flag to get a new set of downs to begin with
- Shaky kicker vs. solid defense w/ great pressure/coverage
- 20/20 hindsight makes everyone a genius of a critic
2. We have depth at CB
- don’t have insane depth
- also lack experience
- no team in America loses both starting corners and plays the same
- same guys will be studs in years to come once they get experience
- looked like QEB and Hightower both performed pretty well
3. Final Fumble by Wright
- My dad watched the game while I was in the stands
- said Wright had ball covered with both arms when he got hit
- defender hit football with his helmet like a missile
- sometimes you do everything by the book and it still goes south
4. Setup the week before.
- Patterson knew what he wanted prior to last week’s game imo
- saw lack of experience at CB
- he set us up by running the ball down his opponent’s throat
5. Coach K took the bait and kept 8 in the box in the first half to stop the run
- looked like safeties were covering the middle of field
- left our corners on islands
- this is the only thiong in the coaching I questioned
- From what I saw, QEB did pretty good but Makinde was out of position a lot
- you could tell it was experience too b/c it was all positioning
- inexperienced corners need safety support over the top
- 2nd half it looked like we adjusted our man coverage to more of a zone blitz scheme
- more guys in the vicinity of the passes and gave us much improved coverage
- problem is if you can’t get pressure then the QB can just wait
- Coach K started blitzing to get pressure
- worked some of the time but was creating the same issue as before
- exposed corners on islands with no over the top safety help
- IMO, this was a catch 22.
- needed DL to collapse pocket with 4 man rush, couldn’t do it
- TCU did, and that’s a big difference in the game
When we had to blitz, we lost our insurance coverage and the lack of experience was torched time and time again. Hightower came in and showed he could stay with Boyce better but he made a “rookie” mistake at the end when he went for the pick rather than batting the ball down. That’s football…bad luck, bad timing, matchups, and a fierce and savvy opponent.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I've said it a million times, always met with resistance
This game was lost because of terrible play calling.
by 43-42_Stop_Crying on Nov 14, 2011 5:57 AM PST reply actions
I heard a rumor
that the Boise State secondary was seen being admitted into St. Luke’s ER for second and third degree burn while Goodale was being given the heimlich for a severe case of choking.
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