Three stars and one goat of Boise State's win over Fresno State
by Nate Peters on Oct 9, 2011 11:25 AM PDT
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PrintIn the words of Ron Burgundy: "I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal." A big deal we are, and a big deal we were under the Friday night lights of ESPN. Boise State pu the hurt on Fresno as they went on to win, 57-7. The Broncos cruised to yet another convincing win, and improved to 5-0 on the year as they prepare to travel to Colorado State next week as they open conference play. Join me now after the jump as we discuss the three stars, and one goat of Boise State's win over Fresno State.
Kellen and co. put on a show (hey that rhymed) Friday night, producing nearly 500 yards of total offense as they successfully aided in raising Pat Hill's blood pressure by 27%. Also, it's really funny that Derek Carr has to leave that Boise State flag in his apartment for another year. Sorry, dude. In later news, two thirds of the Dutch prisoners have been released, and boy are we happy to have them back. Join me now for the stars and the goat.
Attendance: 33,871
Seriously, Fresno?! I know what you're going to say before you even say it. The Boise naysayers of the world would point the finger right back at us and ask about our attendance in years past. Well to that I say, haters gonna hate, haters gonna hate. But seriously, I get the logic behind people not coming to see BSU blowout New Mexico State by 60 points. I can't say that I am that kind of fan, but I get the argument there. I understand. But when the 5th ranked team in the country - not to mention a heated rival - comes to town, why the heck can't you sell out your stadium? Bulldog stadium capacity is 41,031 (odd number, right?), and attendance on Friday night was just under 34,000. The distance shots of the stadium were simply embarassing. Giant gaps of seats were easily seen throughout the entire stadium. I guarantee if Nebraska, or Oklahoma, or even TCU came to town, fans would be sitting in the aisles at Bronco Stadium. Congratulations BSU kickers/Fresno fans on being the goat of Boise State's win over Fresno State.
Runner Up for the Goat: Collin Cowherd - no relevance whatsoever, but man that guy is annoying.
Your Turn
Am I being too hard on the Fresno faithful? Are the Dan Goodale lovers of the world ready to slash my tires? Was I off on my comparison of Miller to Dr. Frankenstein? Sound off, Bronco Nation!
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Being a topic close to my own heart
Out kicking game right now is pathetic and absolutely unacceptable. There really is no excuse for missing PATs and we were lucky that FSUs goalposts have a lot of give in them or that field goal would have ricocheted right back in Goodale’s face
by BoyCeeState on Oct 9, 2011 11:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
i'm going to punt on the QB "controversy" we're going to have in a few months.
and just say that the coaches will figure something out.
to the stars: I’m hoping Boldwijn is the shot in the arm this team needed. big body like his and his speed will only help this year and next when breaking in the new starter.
whoever that may be will have a LOT of targets. and i certainly hope to be cheering for Miller for years to come. so glad that his achilles injury was able to be healed properly. i have heard of career ending injuries like those.
BUT WAIT. The detailed benefits are not just your average dollars-under-the-table, or some lameass "we let some players sleep at an apartment on the floor with a coach's help" allegations. No, you get the hell out of here, Boise.
--EDSBS
Twitter: @damienbsu
MILLER
Miller is awesome. I think Boldwijn might be, but not proven yet.
Montana Slim
is my new name for Mr. Miller.
We’re not losing to Boise freaking State. The rest of the country will thank us on Sunday for eliminating this perennial pretender from the outset. - Jman781
by Boise State of Mind on Oct 9, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
If I hear we were spoiled with Brotzman one more time, I am going to put my fist through a small child's face
All Brotzman did was exactly what you’d expect from a kicker. He made a little less than 3/4 of attempted field goals during his career (72.8%). Solid, but not amazing. He was nowhere near the top 50 in FG % (of all DI kickers) in 3 of his 4 years on the team. The only reason he has total points records is because he kicked for 4 years on 4 very good offenses…
So Brotzman was the 71st best kicker in terms of FG % in his senior year and somehow we managed to find someone even worse….much, much worse. The redshirt has got to go, its Ginkel time!
by FrmrBronco on Oct 9, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'll admit I was BW'd off when Brotz missed those kicks
but can you say you’d guarantee that you’d make them if you were in his position. As for his FG stats, considering we really didn’t kick FG’s all that much during his time, I’d say that his record was fine. The only game I can recall off the top of my head right now that his kicking really “mattered” was the Nevada game. Maybe there were other; maybe not.
Maybe I’m the only one, but I’m seriously sick of the hate from our supposed “fans” towards Brotz. Real fans may get PO’d, but they don’t retain literal hatred. True fans learn to let go and say “BW happens, but it won’t happen again”. Can you say that you’d be able to handle the pressure cooker situation if you were in his shoes? No…you couldn’t.
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by BSUFlyboy on Oct 9, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nevada '07 game - that would be the 4OT game
Brotz made one kick after another to keep the Broncos alive in that one. Of course there wasn’t as much at stake that year compared to ’10.
by hummerofdoom on Oct 9, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
San Jose State 2006
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
by Loque on Oct 9, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lololol
Ok, my bad. I guess he didn’t play for 5 years. (Montgomery made those)
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
What are you talking about?
Who was talking about the Nevada game? I don’t hate Brotzman, but the facts say he was not the awesome, incredibly accurate kicker that everyone on here makes him out to be. He was an above average kicker. Nothing more, nothing less.
And for your “we really didn’t kick field goals that much during his time”…would you mind doing a little research before you post? I mean really, it would have taken you 2 minutes with a little help from Google and ESPN.
Brotzman kicked the 21st most field goals his senior year (not in top 50 for FG%)
16th most FG’s his Junior year (still not in top 50 for FG %)
12th most FG’s in his Sophomore year (you guessed it, not top 50 in FG %)
73rd most FG’s his Freshman year (top 10 in FG %)
The funny thing about all that is that his Freshman year was by far his most accurate. So, as the sample size grows (ie increasing number of FG attempts) Brotzman’s accuracy goes down….meaning his freshman year is the least relevant (statistically speaking)
For a team that didn’t kick many FG’s during Brotzman’s career…we sure kicked a lot of FG’s!!
Again, I’m viewing Brotzman’s CAREER. And I’m the only on here doing it. I’m being more than fair. I never kicked footballs, but i never claimed i could.
By your own admission
He was an above average kicker. Nothing more, nothing less.
…and by our current needs. We need “an above average kicker” right now because what we have now is nothing close to reaching average.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
We do
But the rest of Bronco Nation claims that we “were spoiled by Brotzman”.
Being “spoiled” implies that we had something that was great. Something that will never be duplicated. You know, like Kellen Moore.
We were not “spoiled” by having Brotzman. That was my point. I guess you didn’t read my post. The kicking game has nothing to do with unrealistic expectations set by Brotzman. His kicking abilities were very realistic. The kicking game has everything to do with the fact that Goodale has no business kicking on a Division I football team. But nobody seems to realize that. They justify his horrendous performances with “Well, this is normal. This is what every college football team has to deal with. We’ve just been spoiled by the awesomeness that is Kyle Brotzman’s right leg!”
I believe in supporting your players in their ups and their downs,
that you don’t get to pick the players on your team, and that tearing down what you have is always always always a mistake.
That said, I also believe in being realistic, calling a spade a spade, and placing things in the right perspective.
Fmrbronco is correct in his analysis of both Brotzman and our current kicking problem. My defense of Brotz has always been based on where he came from. Brotz wasn’t a hired gun, he wasn’t a 5 star recruit or #1 rated kicker. He was a local kid, that didn’t even get recruited by Boise, who tends to unearth talent all over the globe. Brotz walked on and, Reno disaster or not, helped put this team on the map through guts alone given the fact BSU doesn’t employ a kicking coach as far as I know. He was instrumental in the TCU win as well.
Goodale needs some instruction. I’ve seen him do warmups before games begin and he seems to have the skillset. He needs some quality instruction though when it comes to correcting his approach or whatever it is that’s not elevating that ball enough.
We’ll see how it all goes but we go to war with what we have as fans and trust Coach Pete to handle the rest.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Oct 9, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Error...
He was an above average kicker. Nothing more, nothing less.
He was also, probably, the best punter in the NCAA’s….
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
TCU
Although I think Brotzman was a good kicker, both of the Bronco loses since Kellen became QB could have been avoided by a made FG. Brotz also missed a 34 or 35 yard kick against TCU in the Ponsedia Bowl that BSU lost by 1 point. If you want to contribute loses to him you also have to contribute wins and I have to believe he has won for BSU than he lost.
Day 1 might be a bit much...
don’t know when you joined Bronco Nation but:
2007 Boise State WAC FR K 66 66 100.0 16 18 88.9 114 21 935 44.5
That’s 66-66 on extra points and 89% on field goals……pretty dang good!!!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
We held our breath on FG's....
with Brotz, but I don’t recall ever worrying about PAT’s.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
I'm going to throw this out there.
I don’t think it’s fair to get too personal when we’re criticizing our own players, but I also think that recognizing areas of improvement doesn’t make you any less of a “true fan”. I have a problem with our kicking game and I just think that means that I’ve been watching the games and I’m a realistic person. I’m not so “blinded by blue” to kid myself into thinking we’re just fine in that department. We clearly need some work there. I think most of us here would agree that we have an excellent coaching staff, but it is that same staff that decides who our kicker and holder are and whether or not to try someone/something else. They keep going back to Goodale and I’m guessing there’s a good reason. Maybe it’s because that’s our best option or there’s something else at play. I’m not a coach so I don’t know.
When it comes to Brotz, I think some of the negative response after that game was completely uncalled for and not indicative if what one should expect from this fan base. But, I’ll also be the first to admit that I was very nervous when Brotz lined up for that first kick because there were times when he tended to be a bit of a head case just like Zebransky used to be. My confidence factor for that second kick was about 25% because I knew the first kick was still in his head. It doesn’t mean that I didn’t appreciate all the things Brotz had done for this team, I was just responding to what I had witnessed over the years. He had problems with mental toughness in the past (left hash) and this was the ultimate test that he had ever faced. I hope the “trueness” of my fandom doesn’t get called into question simply for recognizing what I had experienced.
The bottom line is, Boise is a DAMN good team, but that does not mean we’re infallible. We’re here to discuss our team and that discussion shouldn’t have to be limited exclusively to pats on our own backs should it? Because if it is, I think the whole discussion becomes a little less interesting.
by Adkoon on Oct 9, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because of my complete faith in Coach Pete, I am going with this...
Maybe it’s because that’s our best option
It will get fixed….
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Hunter White.
He’s the only guy not mentioned here that definitely needs mentioned (that I can think of). Blocked punt and forced fumble = a great game. I have been a proponent of Jonathon Brown over Hunter White at the nickel position, but White certainly earned his minutes on Friday night.
"Shiloh Keo got a MOUTHFUL of Doug Martin!" - Joe Tessitore
@D_Summit
by D_Summit on Oct 9, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
White/Brown
Those two guys can definitely handle the nickel spot. As #3 on the depth chart, I now wish Simmons had red-shirted, so he could get better familiar with the system, and then be available in both ‘12 and’13. He wasn’t over-hyped coming in, but this isn’t junior-college ball either. Not easy getting settled in.
Collin Cowherd.
Indeed, very annoying. Jamar Taylor got my vote for player of the game. Every time they threw deep, he was there to shut it down. And his pick was pretty darn cool.
by branahl on Oct 9, 2011 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Taylor was lock down against Fresno. And that pick was incredible, making Sportscenter’s top 10. Also Hunter White, as mentioned above, played a huge role in a defensive victory.
"One player can win a game. But one player can not lose a game."
-Coach Chris Petersen
Colin.
Hard to be annoying when you never listen to him. When I first started listening to him I was impressed. I’ve since found that he will only comment on points that will give him the ratings. He has no substance or integrity other than the ratings.
My perfect radio day would be:
Dan Patrick > Scott Van Pelt > IST (because that’s essentially all we have .. except that I don’t have that unless I have a computer available)
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
Listening to talk radio (sports or otherwise) will drop your IQ more than huffing glue.
by foryourhead on Oct 9, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Better than TV, imo.
Anything on TV doesn’t cut it. The best come from the journalists online, of course, but I’m not a reader.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
especially the otherwise.
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
I listen to IST for about 20 minutes driving home from work
Honestly, I don’t know how I survive those two for that long.
We’re not losing to Boise freaking State. The rest of the country will thank us on Sunday for eliminating this perennial pretender from the outset. - Jman781
by Boise State of Mind on Oct 9, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree or disagree Bronco Nation?
I know what you mean. I listen because I’m a homer, but IST could definitely use an upgrade.
that Caves is employed...
…amazes me no end. Must have a no-cut contract or those two are a package deal. Some find his fractured English and nonsensical blather funny I suppose. I just find it ignorant. But like any science project, I can’t wait to find out what idiotic thing will escape his lips next.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
Used to live on the same street as Caves
Awful
It's all about perspective. The sinking of the Titanic was a miracle to the lobsters in the ship's kitchen.
by sczmbz on Oct 9, 2011 10:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, I'm glad Boldewijn is back...
He contributed nicely. I’ll admit I was expecting more, but given his situation, I’m thrilled at his performance that didn’t live up to my expectations. I was expecting a few more deep balls to him, but I think the coaches are going to utilize him like the other receivers in simply adding one more to a solid wideout rotation to only break him out when they truly need him in clutch situations in a big game (BCS bowl game?). That way, opponents will have so little video of his speed and ability that they won’t be ready for it when it comes. That’s my theory anyway. Besides, Miller and the others have shown glimpses of being able to get separation on deep balls, now we just need to work on that whole pass and catch part.
And one more thing: Boldewijn is back after 4 games suspension for driving a 1990 Toyota because it was an improper benefit. Let that be a lesson to all new recruits… if you’re going to accept improper benefits like a car, please let it be a little less conspicuous… like maybe a brand new Range Rover or 350Z. It’ll give you about a 4 or 5 year head start on NCAA investigations and you’ll be long gone by then anyway.
That last paragraph was a joke. Please don’t accept so much as ramen or a couch to crash on. Big Brother is watching you.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." -The Dude
"If you're always worried that something could blow up on you, you're not going to push the envelope and not going to try new things. Some of the stuff does blow up on us, but the tradeoff is the problems we're creating for defenses when it works." -Chris Petersen
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 9, 2011 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
I Have to Give One To The Defense as a Whole...
They were lights out.
by ID_hawkman on Oct 9, 2011 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Star #1?
Gotta be the entire defense – remember this was the team that scored 29 points against Nebraska, in Nebraska. As Joe and Rod stated many times…it starts with the Boise State defense.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
by HSridge on Oct 9, 2011 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Dang good point
Gosh, this team is so much better than ppl want to give it credit for. There are so many mouth breathers out there that simply disappear into the night everytime BSU disproves their tired little theory.
I absolutely can’t wait until Bowl season and hope our performance through this year will warrant a showdown against a great team.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
My Stars (in no particular order):
1. Hunter White- punt block, caused fumble
2. Defense- Held Fresno scoreless…again
3. Matt Miller- sick hands
My Goat
Fresno State- completely unprepared…again
Good Night. Game Over. Drive Home Safely.
by MiketheTransplant on Oct 9, 2011 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
What? No Kellen!!!
The man continues to make the impossible seem ordinary!!!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Cowherd.
I’m obviously in the minority, but I like Colin Cowherd. I think he brings some very interesting points, in regards to college football and other major sports. Albeit, I disagree with him vehemently at times, he does push my thinking. Dan Patrick is fine so long as he leaves off Mr. Keith Overbite, Countdown to No Ratings, I cant stand that guy.
The Mighty Matt Miller
Or “the Almighty” for short is my new nickname for #2
by BSUfan4life on Oct 9, 2011 8:40 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
i have to agree on the crowd
really? i mean, they weren’t excited for the milk can. we pack bronco stadium when they come to town. i guess there were drive by’s to attend and meth labs to set up on friday night in fresno.
Noel.Diggity.....NO DOUBT!
Bronco Nation...where the heavens and our hallowed ground are both BLUE!
Stars
- Kellen Moore – good & above average night
- Matt Miller & Geraldo Boldewign – Petis & Young #2 & they will be together for 2 more years
- BSU Defense – David Carr could take a hit, Derek can’t and even if he is a better athelete he will not be better than his brother. I think our defense is going to be better than last year, no matter what the stats show.
Goat – offensive line. I still see way too many missed blocks on running plays. Too many injuries has made OL & PAT/field goal kickers the weakness of the team.
goat - fresno state offense
i thought i was watching tryouts for the radio city rockettes…one, two, three,kick!… one, two three, kick!
This is national TV. So don't pick your noses or scratch your nuts.
I wonder what Miller's catching radius is
Last night during MNF they were talking about “Megatron” Calvin Johnson and his size and his catching radius… 6’5" tall, 6’10" wingspan…35"+ vertical leep…All of this equated to a 12 foot catching radius which they compared to a two car garage….
That is freakin’ crazy!
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