Wake up, Bronco Nation: Boise State football links and things, 10-31-11
Brian Murphy hands out midseason grades
I do wonder why he picked Boldewijn over Miller as the breakout star for the offense so far. Boldewijn has been great the last 3 games but Miller has been so consistent over the first 7 games.
Bill Connelly looks back on the Georgia win
Somehow it seems to have lost some of it's luster even more despite the fact that Georgia keeps winning. I can't say I disagree with him. Perception is reality and hopefully the voters come to their senses by the time Georgia makes the SEC title game /crossesfingers.
Looks like most people have Boise State going to the Sugar Bowl. I'm still hoping Boise State plays Alabama no matter if it's the Sugar Bowl or the NC game.
Video: Titus Young catches his first NFL touchdown (HT: ce'sped azul)
Somehow the Denver defense lost track of him and he was just waiting in the end zone all alone. The only disappointing part was that for his celebration, he chose to jump into the stands in Denver and not do the Tebow.
Video: Final verdict, infuriating or just plain comical? (HT: crookednose23)
I think poor Lou forgot which side of the argument he was supposed to take up. He then makes arguments that don't make sense like just because Mount Union or Wisconsin Whitewater don't deserve to play the NC just because they go undefeated (even though they are in a different league) and because he believes this year's Boise State team is not as good as last year's team (because we now evaluate a team against itself in the past and not against the other teams in the current year). Poor Lou.
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It's been a few days since we've had any but today is players Robert Ash and Dextrell Simmons' birthdays. Happy birthday, you guys!
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Yeah, the Final Verdict
that was awfully confusing. What “court” has two people arguing the same point. That’s like Rick Perry and Mit Romney agreeing. Just didn’t make sense. Well, sense beyond the point that ESPN is actively rooting against Boise State.
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Nice choice of pics Nick; Coach Pete taking a moment with a little used (if ever?) DE; says a lot about him, program.
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I am pretty sure that is Dallas Burroughs in the photo...
The caption says Nick Alexander and he also wears 81, but I believe the skin tone is a little pale for it the be Alexander.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
by MKingery on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a hoot for Titus.
And then to jump into the opposing team’s fans AND BE WELCOMED! Wow!
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
he looked around after the TD
like okay I better do something here….
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 31, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I imagined him saying "Where is everybody?"
“Oh well, I guess I will go jump in the stands”. It was awesome! I hope to see many more TDs this year for Titus.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." -- Dan Hawkins
Utah
Is anyone else super ticked that Utah sucks this year? I mean they weren’t great last year either, maybe not even in the top 5 non-AQs. So is it really a surprise that they are horrible in PAC-12 play this year? Not in my opinion, yet it makes the little guy look horrible and undeserving of a leap to the big kid table. So frustrating!
Most Utah fans that I've talked to knew it was going to be a down year this season
I think it was just bad timing for them.
After getting creamed by ASU or something
a lot of them were saying stuff like “Wow, I guess there really is a big difference between AQ and Non AQ competition. We’ve gone from one of the top 3 Non AQ teams to being a cellar dweller with the PAC-12 schedule.”
I told them their problem had nothing to do with whether they were playing a majority of non AQ teams or AQ teams and nothing to do with recruit ratings. Their problem was that they were Utah. That program has been on the slip for years now and they got schooled by the real Non AQ titans the year before.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It fans like you that give Boise State fans a bad rep.
I actually root for Boise State, but now I can’t wait for Kellen Moore to graduate. Good luck “Non-AQ titans” without him. Apparently to you losing your starting QB means nothing. Look at TCU they are having a down year too having to replace a starting QB.
“got schooled” last year in the bowl game? Was an ugly loss to a clearly superior team, but we, again, were without our starting QB. Don’t forget that. Not to mention if you actually watched the game Utah several chances to go up big on Boise State in the first half.
Like I said. I normal like and support Boise State, but fans like you really make me feel differently about the team.
Don’t forget. Utah was the First team to bust the BCS, first repeat and the ONLY to beat two BCS programs in those games.
Go Utes! Good Luck with the rest of the season. Boise State deserves its shot at the NC as Utah did in 2004 and 2008.
Spare us the sanctimony
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
Odd.
I have several Ute fans that believe the exact same things as pjohn. Even in your dominant years, you’ve always had issues with offensive coordinators. Now that you have a new one, let’s give it some time to see if it takes. But until then, Utah has been on a progressive slide and you know it, too.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
Ridiculous
You do realize that Utah had one of its worst years of the decade in 2007, the year before they went undefeated and busted the BCS for a second time? I don’t even understand how a team that has won at least 10 games in the last three years, 10-3 last year, in any conference can be considered “a program on the slide”. Yeah you guys beat us in a bowl game last year without our QB. Not to mention you guys shouldn’t have even been in that bowl game anyways (but thats another story). Can’t wait next year when you guys have a down/rebuilding year. I’m going to have to come back and tell you that your program is slipping.
I just hope you understand. I’m not trying to bash on Boise State. I really respect the program and, for the most part, the fan base. I really do wish you all the best of luck, but you bashing on Utah is ridiculous.
Utah has nothing to do with your program and the more you act like it does the more you seem like that Media/BCS that has knocked you and all the other non-AQ’s in the BCS era.
Play anybody?
Lets see; the top three teams ran away from the the Mountain West the day after Boise entered the MWC. Utah, BYU, and Mountain West. And yes Boise beats all 3 no matter where the game is played. Who will risk their season on playing Boise State? The SEC play-out-of conference weak teams and then play the bottom half of the SEC leaving only 2 or three tougher SEC teams remaining on their schedules. Boise plays teams that are available and consistently wins no matter if all the tougher games are at Boise disadvantage until this year. Yes Boise, beat a pretty good Oregon team 2 years in a row. I just want the BCS whining to stop (Lou, Mark) and the BSU winning to continue.
Not quite this simple
Alabama played Penn State OOC, and has LSU and Arkansas on its conference slate (plus Auburn and Florida, who are usually good). LSU played Oregon and WVU OOC, and Alabama and Arkansas in conference (plus Auburn and Florida). UGA’s got both Boise and GaTech on its OOC slate. Florida has FSU. USC and Auburn both have Clemson. Arkansas has a true cupcake OOC schedule, but it has 3 BCS top-10 teams on its conference slate.
by first and thom on Oct 31, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
To date BSU's SOS is stronger than Alabama's
and some of the other schools you’ve mentioned. It’s really all about perception and name/ brand recognition.
What's your source on SOS rankings?
UGA is Boise’s highest-ranked opponent, and Alabama has three teams on its schedule that rank ahead of UGA (plus they might get UGA in the dome if Arky does us a favor against USC). Do you think Boise’s schedule this year is harder than Alabama’s?
by first and thom on Oct 31, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
So far.
Yes.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/120/index1
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." | "We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
"I’ve never seen a better prepared team than the Boise State Broncos and it was a privilege to watch them play." -- Lou Holtz
Herein lies the problem and absurdity of the BCS
Based on actual “facts”, BSU’s SOS is higher than Alabama as of right now. However, the voters are basing their selection of Alabama (same for Stanford) higher based on 2 primarily subjective stats.
1. They are looking at future games and claiming that because Alabama’s SOS will be better in the future, let’s put them ahead of BSU today. If that is the case, why do we even play the games?
2. They are looking at performance in prior seasons. So although Boise has won more games in the last decade than any other team in D-1, it is meaningless. However, Alabama’s past performance is used to show why they are better this year. You can’t have it both ways, either both teams’ past performance matters or neither teams’ past performance matters.
The reality is that these voters/blow-hards are being intellectually dishonest. The reason they put one team above the other despite the evidence to the contrary is because they like one more than the other. It is and always has been a beauty contest. If that’s the case, why not be honest and say “I like Alabama better than Boise so I ranked them higher”. We could at least respect the honesty.
By the way, I love how Georgia has rebounded and I hope they take the SEC East and stick it to Alabama or LSU in the championship game.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." -- Dan Hawkins
I must have missed the part where Boise defeated two teams currently ranked in the top 15
I have hard time taking this SoS argument seriously. Boise has played exactly one ranked team, right?
Boise’s strength is not its schedule. Keep winning the games and hope the teams ahead of you lose.
To answer your two arguments:
1. Go look at Loque’s charts in the “Top 25 Analysis” thread. Alabama’s SoS has been trending up as Boise’s has been trending down. Moreover, Alabama’s performance against its schedule have convinced the computers that Alabama is the better team, with or without accounting for victory margin.
2. I got to say that I don’t buy this. It may be Alabama’s current players’ and coaches’ past performance that is weighing on voters, but that’s legitmate, right?
And I think there are more factors at play than the two you list. Alabama has looked unbelievably impressive against everybody it’s played. It’s closest game has been Penn State, and that Penn State D has been stingy. Alabama came out from halftime tied with a bad Tennessee team, but it then put on an absolute clinic on both sides of the ball. Also, what happens as Boise’s SoS continues to decline? Should Boise be ranked behind all teams with the same rank against a stronger schedule?
by first and thom on Nov 1, 2011 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Bama's SoS will be tougher by end of year and everyone knows it
but daddy18 is right…it is all about name recognition.
Oregon = inept against good run defenses, they are all hype all the time. If you can’t play run (like the entire PAC 12 it seems) you get demolished by them. If you can, you are almost guaranteed to win. Cal should have beat them last year (missed last second FG ftw) and they had zero offense.
WVU = I put them in the same bracket as Penn St. In other words, a nice name brand but really nothing to worry about
Penn St. = see above. They are nothing special
GT = A good filler team and I don’t mean that in a bad way. They are a good blue collar kind of team that helps fill out a schedule.
Clemson = There is no way anyone could convince me this Clemson team is anything but an imposter. Hype Hype Hype…I would count a 2 loss but improving TCU team as stiffer competition. I would strongly consider Toledo, Tulsa, and SMU to all be reasonable bets to beat Clemson head to head.
FSU = Athletic defense with great pressure, vanilla offense that can be game planned to the dirt.
BSU can’t get the competition it needs b/c everything revolves around Conf. Schedule these days, which I think is part of what you were getting at. The problem is that those conference schedules, especially outside the SEC West, are far more pathetic than people want to admit.
IMO, there are two great wrongs that are being played out in CFB.
1) BSU gets the SoS banhammer consistently but teams like Oregon, Wisconsin, and Stanford get praised for “gutsy wins” over “tougher than expected competition”. This is kind of like what I heard about the U.S. Tax Code one time. Since Al Capone was indicted on tax evasion, the U.S. Tax Code has been purposely complicated to the nth degree. This makes it near impossible to get everything right. For most people this is a non factor. But for those the government wants to go after, the Tax Code becomes a weapon of coercion. SoS is used against Boise St. and no one else as far as I can tell and it is used expressly for the singular purpose of locking them out of a NCG.
2) Similarly, but on a different level, there is the problem of perception. ’Bama beats Penn St. and it is considered a quality win. PSU remains ranked due to a preseason ranking that was based purely on conference affiliation (and expected finish in said conference) while being backed up with quality wins over nobody (a fact that was well known prior to the season).
Penn St. 20011 Schedule: Indiana St., Bama, @ Temple, Eastern Michigan, @ Indiana, Iowa, Purdue, @ Northwestern, Illinois
Meanwhile, Stanford has been the recipient of heaps of praise for their “gutsy” “championship spirit” defining win over a #22 team that took them to triple OT and should have won the game. USC exposed Stanford’s defense badly and, imo, showed a reason Stanford should be Top 10 but perhaps not Top 5. The overwhelming point though, is what if this were BSU and that 22nd ranked team were TCU or Nevada? It’s all over, BSU would drop like a rock. Not only did Stanford not drop, due to USC’s name recognition, but they actually skyrocketed in the polls…gaining enough points in all three polls to move ahead two spots in a poll where movement at the Top 5 is rare as long as you win…except for Boise St.
Sadly, after watching USC’s light-in-the-pants DL wreak havoc on Stanford with nothing more than a 4 man rush, I have no doubt BSU would wafflestomp this Stanford team. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the state of Div. I CFB…where prejudice, ignorance, assumption, and adherence to an archaic Caste System reign supreme. A true example of Draconian practices in a modern era.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Oct 31, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't quite make sense of this.
It seems like you are explaining away everybody else’s wins. It’s easy to say that SMU is better than Clemson head-to-head, but how do you back that up? Penn State isn’t a world beater, but that schedule is not obviously different from Boise’s. And, while you call Tech a “quality filler,” they are just the kind of quality that’s missing from Boise’s schedule. Tech is like Air Force but demontrably better. And doesn’t Boise claim Oregon as a quality win from years past?
I agree that Boise appears to be a better team than Stanford, and I think Boise’s win in Georgia is better than Standford’s win at USC.
Look, I’d love for Boise to be able to play games that allow it to show its quality. I think the world wants to see how Boise would do if it played the October schedule that Florida just played: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, UGA. But that’s not in the cards, and that fact – as much as any prejudice – puts Boise at a disadvantage.
People think that Boise is like Wisconsin: video-game numbers against weak competition. Wisky folded like a cheap lawn chair in a storm when it played real teams. People are wrong to think that, but it’s hard to make the case when Boise does not have week-in, week-out opponents that play well elsewhere. If Boise wants to play on the biggest stage, it needs to prioritize getting a conference affiliation that allow it to play other top teams.
by first and thom on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I like GT and this is the kind of team BSU needs more of.
Clemson struggled against Maryland, I don’t to see anything more than that.
Oregon is a sham. Oregon gets claimed to show how BSU is better than the PAC’s best while also pointing out that the PAC receives style points for nothing while BSU is denegrated.
If you pay attention to the language used when discussing BSU you will see it is very different from AQ schools. SoS is the entire glass ceiling for BSU. Yet Wisky jumped two teams in the BCS Top 10 with a SoS of 109. You hear nothing but praise heaped upon both Oregon and Stanford despite their weak schedules.
I think the world wants to see how Boise would do if it played the October schedule that Florida just played: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, UGA.
Not a good measuring stick at all. 3/4 of the nation doesn’t run that gauntlet and to get an equal treatment you have to look at what everyone else is doing, not just the SEC. The SEC is the anomaly. The ACC, BE, PAC, and Big 12 are not held to those standards. As a conference they typically rate from Awful (ACC/BE) to Good (Big 12). The Big 10 is so specialized for itself that they have a hard time competing come Bowl Season.
We are working the best we can on improving conference affiliation and SoS but that is not my beef. My issue is that there is clearly a difference in treatment here and that it has nothing to do with actual quality of play and less to do with SoS than ppl think.
I think there is very little separation between a BE/ACC schedule and a MWC schedule most years. The biggest separation is perceived prestige. I think the jump from PAC to MWC isn’t enormous either. Okay, their mid tier teams are better than ours, so what does that mean? They win by 20 pts instead of 35 pts?
BSU is hit harder with the SoS argument than anyone else in the nation and the truth is that some of the teams that have leaped or were going to leap us have/had a worse SoS. That’s hypocritical, no matter how you slice it. Then, there is the eyeball test. BSU doesn’t get any of that consideration once past the first qtr of the season while other teams who, again, are not winning as impressively, executing as impressively, and have worse SoS’s at the time are benefiting wildly from it. OU is back in the hunt after losing to an unranked team. If BSU had lost to AF we’d be rated in the teens right now at best. So on both evaluation techniques BSU gets singled out. That is nothing short of corruption and I cannot tolerate that kind of nonsense.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Oct 31, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tech struggled with Maryland, too, just for the record.
Easy on the accusations, man. Alabama and LSU both either have or will run a scheduling gauntlet. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will, too. Stanford won’t, but it has to play Oregon and win a championship game. Clemson and Tech are out. All of these teams will play more highly-ranked opponents than Boise will this year.
SoS is not just an average of opponent’s winning percentages. Voters also include a “quality wins” component that looks at how a team has fared against top competition. LSU has quality wins against Oregon, WVU, and Auburn. Alabama has quality wins against Penn State and Arkansas. Stanford has a quality win against USC. Boise has quality wins against UGA and maybe Tulsa. Boise stacks up well against Stanford, but all of the rest of these teams have better resumes right now. And the disparity is only going to grow as Alabama and LSU play each other (and LSU plays Arkansas) and the SEC East Champion; Okie State plays Oklahoma; Stanford plays Oregon; and Boise is left relying on TCU.
In a nutshell, Boise’s schedule is heavy in the middle but too light at the top.
by first and thom on Nov 1, 2011 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I still lurk around here occassionally...
…and I remain convinced of the quality of this Boise squad. You guys played a near perfect game against us. I think we’ve improved since then (at RB, Safety, and ILB), but there’s no doubt in my mind that the better team in the dome in september remains the better team today.
Kellen Moore is a national treasure.
It’s hard to make a case for Boise over any of the other undefeated teams, but it’s hard to make a case for the one-loss teams over Boise. If you keep eating what’s set before you, things might just work out this year.
by first and thom on Oct 31, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions
awesome, and best wishes to you guys
We’re still rootin’ for ya!
by hummerofdoom on Oct 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That's where I'm at
At the end of the day, BSU needs a tougher overall schedule, period. That was supposed to be this year with UGA, TCU, AF, and SDSU expected to all be ranked but stuff happens and it didn’t work out that way.
What is about to happen though, it seems, is a bunch of 1 loss teams that haven’t been docked hard enough or have been making a come back all season long are in prime position now to overtake us. I find that criminally negligent and pointedly biased.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I actually don't mind everyone (ESPN included) hating on BSU
That would be more people to eat crow when BSU beats LSU/Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

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