Boise State depth chart versus Colorado State: Wide receiver debates, Chase Baker rumors, and more
by Kevan Lee on Oct 13, 2011 12:00 PM PDT
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PrintHooray! No season-ending injuries this week (that we know about). The Boise State depth chart for the Colorado State game (Saturday, 4:00 p.m. MT, The Mtn.) looks a lot like it did last week against Fresno State. So good luck with that, Rams. If Pat Hill gives you any advice, do the opposite.
Join me after the jump for a breakdown of this week's depth chart, some discussion topics, some humor, some photos, and more. And feel free to share your thoughts in the comments.
Visit the BroncoSports website for the full pdf of the depth chart. You can also find a detailed roster and, if you're really wanting to kill an hour, the team's weekly notes.
Bold = Starter
Italics = Depth chart change
Wingdings = Secret Mayan decoder message
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| Kellen Moore | Doug Martin | Dan Paul | ||
| Joe Southwick OR | D.J. Harper | Chandler Koch | ||
| Grant Hedrick | ||||
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| Mitch Burroughs | Matt Miller | Tyler Shoemaker | Kyle Efaw OR | |
| Kirby Moore | Geraldo Boldewijn | Chris Potter | Gabe Linehan | |
| Aaron Burks | Dallas Burroughs | Kyle Sosnowski | ||
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| Nate Potter | Joe Kellogg | Cory Yriarte | Chuck Hayes | Charles Leno |
| Faraji Wright | Spencer Gerke | Matt Paradis | Brenel Myers | Michael Ames |
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| Tyrone Crawford | Billy Winn | Chase Baker | Shea McClellin | |
| Tyler Horn | Darren Koontz | Mike Atkinson | Jarrell Root | |
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| Byron Hout OR | Aaron Tevis OR | |||
| Tommy Smith | J.C. Percy | |||
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| Jamar Taylor | Hunter White OR | Cedric Febis | George Iloka | Quaylon Ewing-Burton |
| Bryan Douglas | Jonathan Brown | Jeremy Ioane | Travis Stanaway | Ebo Makinde |
| Dextrell Simmons | ||||
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| SPECIAL TEAMS | ||||
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| Dan Goodale OR | Trevor Harman | Hunter White | Brad Elkin | Chris Roberson |
| Michael Frisina | Dan Goodale | Trevor Harman | ||
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| Doug Martin OR | Mitch Burroughs | |||
| Mitch Burroughs | Chris Potter | |||
| Chris Potter OR | ||||
| D.J. Harper | ||||
Disclaimer: Depth charts mean as much as you want them to mean. Keep in mind that things change over the course of a game week and that game situations, injuries, and performance will render some of this depth chart moot. Still, it's fun to speculate ... with hyperbole! Geraldo Boldewijn is this generation's Michael Crabtree!
Boldewijn and Miller are the next Young and Pettis. So what does that make Shoemaker?
Tyler Shoemaker began the season with six touchdown catches in his first three games. Since then, he has four catches for 46 yards and zero touchdowns. He was targeted on five of Kellen Moore's 11 incompletions on Friday night, and he was overshadowed by up-and-comers Matt Miller and Geraldo Boldewijn.
So what do you make of Tyler Shoemaker? It could be that teams have been keying on him as Boise State's No. 1 receiver, which would explain his lower numbers. It could be that the inflated touchdowns early in the season gave us all the wrong impression of him. He is a smart, sound receiver who is excellent in the slot. I'm not sure he's anything more than that, and I'm not sure the Broncos need him to be anything more than that.
Your thoughts?
Dan Paul to return bigger, faster, stronger, manlier next season
Boise State fullback and ab cheese grater Dan Paul will redshirt this season and return with renewed vigor and six-packs next fall. Paul has missed the Broncos' first five games with Achilles' groin, and now he'll miss the rest. He joins D.J. Harper, Cory Yriarte, and Jerrell Gavins as seniors who will return to the team next year.
The good news: Paul will return to an offense that will probably depend a lot more on the run next year, sans Kellen More. The bad news: Boise State has struggled in the running game without him this season.
Chase Baker is questionable with "undisclosed"
Surprise! Practice injuries may have claimed another Bronco starter. USA Today's injury report and the OBNUG comments point out that Chase Baker's status for the Colorado State game, nay, the season is up in the air. Take it away, surreptitious injury report.
Baker is dealing with an undisclosed injury and is considered questionable for Saturday's game against Colorado State.
Citizen journalists / fellow students have spotted him with a cast and crutches around campus, which is either bad news or an elaborate long con of a Halloween costume.
Sure would be nice to have Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe back right about now.
Jamar Taylor is OK, as far as anyone knows
"Anyone" is rarely the first to know, though. Coach Pete says he expects Taylor to be good to go on Saturday, and I have no reason to think otherwise - save for the flash nightmares I had of Taylor and Gavins rehabbing knee injuries on Lake Lowell beaches.
Thomas Byrd remains old and questionable for Saturday's game
In Byrd's absence, the Broncos have played well on offense, which can be interpreted any number of different ways. One interpretation is that Boise State's backup centers are really good. Another interpretation is that the Bronco offense could be playing even more spectacularly with Byrd back in the lineup. Either interpretation is a positive one, and I'm just happy we're not weeping and gnashing our teeth at fumbled snaps or blown assignments.
Record watch
As is their wont, several Boise State players are on the precipice of records. Here is the latest update on their pursuit of greatness:
- Kellen Moore needs three wins to pass Colt McCoy as college football's all-time winningest quarterback. After beating Fresno, he now holds the second place spot.
- Moore and Case Keenum are in a two-way TD battle for the career TD record. Both are chasing Texas Tech's Graham Harrell and his record of 134. Keenum has 124 and Moore has 116.
- With 171 more passing yards, Moore will pass Texas Tech's Kliff Kingsbury for 15th on college football's all-time passing yardage list.
- Only six Broncos have recorded 20 career sacks (since 1987 when sacks became a thing). With three more, Shea McClellin joins the club.
- Doug Martin is 400 yards away from passing Jeremy Avery for sixth on Boise State's all-time rushing list. Not bad for a guy who played defense for awhile.
Boise State likes these players, so I like these players
Boise State's internal players of the week against Fresno State were wide receiver Matt Miller (offense), defensive tackle Billy Winn (defense), safety Travis Stanaway (special teams), right tackle Charles Leno (lineman), and linebacker J.C. Percy (Hammer).
Miscellaneous
- Kellen Moore has won three Mountain West Player of the Week awards in the five games he has played. One of the weeks he didn't win, Moore threw for 279 yards and four TDs against Tulsa. The OPOW that week was Colorado State running back Chris Nwoke who had 85 yards rushing.
- Chris Potter is expected to return this week after missing two games.
- Penalties improved dramatically last week against Fresno. The Broncos had two for 15 yards, the fewest penalties in a game since a 2009 matchup with San Jose State.
Your turn
What is your take on Tyler Shoemaker? How do you feel about Dan Paul redshirting? What is the deal with practice injuries? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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Lake Lowell is gross
But I’ve heard it has therapeutic qualities. I think I hear a new “Welcome to Nampa” marketing campaign on the horizon.
I'll get to work on the theme song
Word of warning: Mayor Tom Dale will be playing the trombone.
"Body!" - Lars
On Shoemaker
I think his numbers are just a reflection the amount of receiver options Kellen has. More receivers = fewer individual stats for any one of them. I still think he’s great and he’ll be there to make the big play when we need him to.
Exactly...
Tyler was touted as the man for this year, and enemy defenses probably still key on him…but with so many weapons, that is a loser’s strategy. Tyler will make serious hay underneath Geraldo and in the red zone the rest of the way…like Mitch, Matt and Kirby. An embarrassment of riches, as it were.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
Congrats to Moore for passing Colt's record
What’s the skinny on his NFL draft possibilities?
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
Personally, many of us think he is the next Dree Brees...
…only smarter and with way better numbers, which is sumpim’.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
As long as he lands somewhere with solid pass protection
I have a hard time seeing him get out of the way if D-lines keep crashing through on him. We’ve never seen that before so who knows. For not being fast, he is pretty dang shifty though. He always seems to step left or right at just the right time. Plus he gets rid of the ball which I think is a direct result of his lack of speed.
Colt was drafted in the 3rd round largely because he "lacks NFL size"
and he is 2 inches taller and 25 lbs heavier then Kellen.
I don’t see how he could possibly not get drafted, but realistically, it will likely be in the 5th-7th round.
by ce'sped azul on Oct 13, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
not sure it was all size on Colt
Colt was drafted late not mainly because his size; but no one was really sure if he would succeed in the NFL because he played in a college system very different from the NFL. He was great in the pass happy shotgun quick pass June Jones offense; but that isn’t what players are asked to do in the NFL. Could he read a defense (he had a questionable history with time in jail before going to Hawaii) could he drop back and accurately hit a target and make good decisions- it was questionable. Haven’t you heard the same things about QBs Blaine Gabbert and Chase Daniel who played in a similar offense? Kellen Moore is completely different than those guys. Kellen does lack the tangibles; but I doubt he would be available when the 3rd round starts— The dude is 4pts away from being an undefeated college quarterback; that’s just sick.
Our quarterback goes to 11 !
Think we're referring to former Texas Longhorn Colt McCoy, who also played in a non-NFL type offense but not as non-nfl as June Jones' offense.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I think it's safe to say Kellen has the quickest release in CFB
That goes a long way in the NFL.
by daddy18 on Oct 13, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm confused about Dan Paul
He’s listed as a starter on the depth chart but the article says he’s redshirting and will not play this year. Is the depth chart wrong? Should I read the disclaimer more carefully?
Yes
on both questions. Dan Paul has not “officially” been redshirted but Coach Pete said it would take “remarkable change” for him to play this year. That is why the depth chart is meaningless from Boise State.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." -- Dan Hawkins
by smurfturfer on Oct 13, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
…these depth chart articles are just a facade so that Kevan can talk BSU football and the rest of us can discuss amongst ourselves?
I’m okay with that.
by Adkoon on Oct 13, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand that when Bird gets injured and is week to week...
he gets dropped of the depth chart entirely, but Dan Paul hasn’t played a snap and is expected to redshirt yet he remains the starter on the depth chart.
My guess is that the position coaches fill these out for their players, and Scott Huff (tight ends coach) refuses to update it.
by ce'sped azul on Oct 13, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Munson'd Byrd
"Where are you from?"...
"I'm originally from Boise, Idaho."...
"Oh, so what's it like being from the Midwest?"...
"Idaho's not really in the Midwest."...
"Oh...so you like potatoes?"
-excerpt from a conversation I have weekly with New Yorkers.
Go Broncos!
by NYBroncosFan on Oct 14, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Moore and Case Keenum are in a two-way TD battle for the career TD record. Both are chasing Texas Tech's Graham Harrell and his record of 134. Keenum has 124 and Moore has 116.
Kellen also has a game in hand. BSU has already had one bye this season and Houston is taking their bye this week. Kellen started the season 10 TD behind Keenum and is now 8 TD minus whatever TD’s he scores Saturday. On a sour note Houston will probably go to a conference championship game and have an extra game to throw TD’s in.
Kellen’s other records
The NCAA record for hightest pass completions in a season is 75%.
Kellen is at 74%.
The NCAA record for hightest pass completions in a career is 70%.
Kellen is at 69%.
Fewest sacks allowed in allowed by a QB is 3 and Kellen has only been sacked once (Props to the o-line).
Kellen was on track for some other record before the Nevada game :-(
And Keenum will most likely have three more games under his belt since he played 3 last season when he was a senior the first time.
I don’t know how the rulebook works. Do they count his three extra games? or do the drop the stats from last years games or the last three from this year? Either way there should be some kind of an asterisk on Keenum.
We’re not losing to Boise freaking State. The rest of the country will thank us on Sunday for eliminating this perennial pretender from the outset. - Jman781
by Boise State of Mind on Oct 13, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
AND Keenum will likely play more complete games than Kellen
And has also probably already played many more complete games.
This is the key..
..Houston’s woeful defense will keep games close and Keenum on the field deep into the 4th quarter.
I don’t know how the rulebook works. Do they count his three extra games?
All of his games count, Timmy Chang picked up an additional 1100 yards during his initial Sophomore season
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
If you didn't count all of the games you could get into a slippery slope.
Do conference championship games count? Do bowl games count? Do extra games during the regular season due to playing Hawaii on the road count?
by ce'sped azul on Oct 13, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy Chang should have an asterisk just for playing at Hawaii
He also holds the record for most pass attempts with a career completion percentage at 57%. They’re such a live or die by the throw offense, they’re bound to set some records.
Change records
die by the throw offense, they’re bound to set some records.
Yes, and Chang is the all-time interception leader as well. I will never forget him coming to Bronco Stadium needing less than 300 yards to set the all-time passer mark and instead he “breaks” the all-time interception record and loses by 66 in the process.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
by MKingery on Oct 13, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
It kind of all works out.
Keenum did play 3 games last year, but he also was not good enough to be a 4 year starter and only had a hand full of TDs his freshman year.
One more....
Kellen’s other records
The NCAA record for hightest pass completions in a season is 75%.
Kellen is at 74%.
The NCAA record for hightest pass completions in a career is 70%.
Kellen is at 69%.
Fewest sacks allowed in allowed by a QB is 3 and Kellen has only been sacked once (Props to the o-line).
Kellen is also on track to set the record for the lowest career interception percentage. Graham Harrell finished his career with 1.69% of his passes being intercepted. Kellen is currently at 1.66%.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
records
Kellen will probably beat those first 2 records when we get into the “meat” of conference play- assuming Mitch and Geraldo fix the dropsies; and we keep using this short passing game to move the ball.
Our quarterback goes to 11 !
That is if RG3 doesn't get the season record this year...
Robert Griffin is currently completing 80% of his passes this year, but his upcoming schedule may prevent him from keeping that pace.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
RG3 has been having an amazing year
Can’t take anything away from that guy. More power to him. We’ll just see if he can keep it going for the rest of the season. They face Texas A&M this weekend. Could be a good game.
true that
Before last week RG3 had more TDs than incompletetions- are you kidding me; you couldn’t do that in Tecmo bowl.
Our quarterback goes to 11 !
2009
When Kellen threw 39 TD’s with only 3 picks, he set the record for TD to pick ratio. Of all his records and about to be records, that one simply amazes. Frankly, that was the year he should have been the Heisman winner – 14-0, 39 vs 3, whipped Oregon, TCU in a BCS bowl, etc.
I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.
I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies
When was Kellen sacked?
I know Southwick got sacked against Tulsa but I must have missed when Kellen got hit behind the line. Against Nevada?
It was in the Nevada game
I thought it looked like he was running, which would’ve been a tackle for loss, but it was a sack. Either way, it’s just one and we’re almost halfway through the season, I’ll take it.
"Moore took a knee. It was an act of mercy. Boise State didn't need style points. It had proven itself the superior program long before." - Andy Staples, SI.com
I don't expect Kellen to overtake Keenum in this category.
Kellen is the better QB but Keenum plays in the right kind of offense and gets more opportunities due to Kellen being pulled so often and early throughout his career.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
What he said
If Kellen was never pulled early (like at halftime/early 3rd quarter in most games last year) he’d already have this record in the books. Compare playing time it took each of them to reach the numbers they’re at, and Kellen is far superior to Keenum.
"Moore took a knee. It was an act of mercy. Boise State didn't need style points. It had proven itself the superior program long before." - Andy Staples, SI.com
I'm sure the BSU medical team is great....
But now they’re attempting surgeries during practice? No wonder Gavins is out.
by East Boise Skyline on Oct 13, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions
I thought this might ease a few minds out there some, maybe. Here's J.T. shortly after his injury...
Mind eased.
It's all about perspective. The sinking of the Titanic was a miracle to the lobsters in the ship's kitchen.
by sczmbz on Oct 13, 2011 6:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
so much for the SEC argument
that BSU has no depth. In years past BSU has dealt with minor turmoil due to injuries. This year is an exception. BSU players are getting bigger, stronger, faster and love to compete against each other – hence the higher injury rate this season. 2 of 3 position groups on defense and 2 of 4 position groups on offense have non-starters from the beginning of the season replacing injured players. And our team is getting better. People who make the player depth argument know nothing about our team. (But that is old news?)
SEC = head stuck in sand = ignorance
It's always been a bad argument
The only area I thought they had a leg to stand on, and still do, is how often we can pull our starters from blowouts by the middle of the 3rd qtr and avoid injury. Most teams across America can’t do that as consistently as we do.
But if you look at injury risk from an overall perspective, you can get injured crossing a street. It’s an equal risk in all other areas and level of competition has nothing to do with it unless you have been pulled out of the game b/c of winning by blowout.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Titus and Austin were awesome....
…..but had glaring issues that nobody ever wanted to point out while they were at BSU. They were solid, no doubt……but I think Boldewijn and Miller could prove to be the better tandem.
"Being realistic is the most commonly traveled path to mediocrity" - Will Smith
Blasphemy
Better than Pettis and Young tandem? I doubt it; especially because Pettis and Young had Kellen Moore and I doubt our next QB will be as accurate or have such a mind meld with the playbook and what the defense is doing. But they do look like a good tandem; you’re right about that.
Our quarterback goes to 11 !
I remember when
Avery first came in and stole Ian’s thunder, I was angry. how dare he. I have come to realize coach Pete knows what he is doing, We dont rebuild for a reasone, we reload each year that is how we will someday when a national championship. In Coach Pete I Trust>
I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.
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@ Michigan State  |
Fri 08/31 | 6:00 p.m. MT |
| Miami (OH) | Sat 09/15 | 2:00 p.m. MT |
| BYU |
Thu 09/20 | TBA |
| @ New Mexico | Sat 09/29 | TBA |
| @ Southern Miss | Sat 10/06 | TBA |
| Fresno State | Sat 10/13 | 1:30 p.m. MT |
| UNLV | Sat 10/20 | 1:30 p.m. MT |
| @ Wyoming |
Sat 10/27 | 1:30 p.m. MT |
| San Diego State | Sat 11/03 | 8:30 p.m. MT |
| @ Hawaii | Sat 11/10 | 5:00 p.m. MT |
| Colorado St. | Sat 11/17 | 1:30 p.m. MT |
| @ Nevada | Sat 12/1 | TBA |
