Is Boise State WORTHY of a National Championship this year?
Join me in my debate on whether this year's Boise State football team (if the stars align) can compete in a National Championship game.
Last year should have been the year, no doubt about it. From the get-go, we were hyped, hoped for, and predicted to go to the National Championship. With stars such as Titus Young, Austin Pettis, Jeremy Avery, Doug Martin, Jeron Johnson, Brandyn Thompson, Winston Venable, as well as many others, it seemed a given that we would at least make a terrific run at the National Championship. Throughout the year we proved to the nation that they were correct, as the Broncos hung 33 points, 51 points, 37 points, 59 points, 57 points, 48 points, 49 points, 42 points, 52 points, and 51 points. They did this by holding 10 teams to an 11.5 average.
As we all know, that season came to a disappointing end, coming in the form of the Maaco Las Vegas Bowl. We all wonder what could have been. But now we wonder, will we EVER have a team as stacked as 2010?
This year started out promisingly, but maybe with a little less hype. After all, we still had Kellen Moore, Tyler Shoemaker, George Iloka, Jamar Taylor, Byron Hout, and Doug Martin. Beating Georgia handily, with a few minor breakdowns mind you, gave us a much needed boost to make it to the National Championship Game. Then the trouble began. Enter Toledo, Tulsa, and Nevada. Scoring 40, 41, and 30 points is respectable, but when you look closer, the imperfections show glaringly bright. We've struggled to run the ball, only posting 145 yards and 131 yards against relatively adequate competition (Given our running game may have finally broken out today). While this may be because the lack of Dan Paul, or the Offensive line's inability to "click", there really should be no reason Boise State should be held under 150 yards rushing per game.
Kellen Moore has been a near supernatural this season, posting career highs and outstanding numbers. He's spread the ball around to a very inexperienced receiving corps effectively, ALMOST making us forget about Austin Pettis and Titus Young. Still, as deep and with as much potential as our receiving corps. possess, it's obvious we are missing that big play/deep threat ability/consistency. It really showed this past game against Nevada with Moore going only 19 of 33 for 142 yards and throwing two TD's and two interceptions. Is this really the dominant passing game we should be having?
Now that I've spouted out those random stats, it's now time for my opinion. I honestly don't think we've lived up to expectations this year. We all knew we'd have a "reloading" year, but I don't think anyone expected it to be this downright stagnant. While we may have dominated games from a statistical standpoint, our defense looks vulnerable, our special teams have been danger, our running game is virtually nonexistent, and our passing game sputters with drops, missed routes, and inexperience. Now for the heart breaker, even if the stars do align... I do NOT think we are worthy of playing in a National Championship/BCS bowl game.
Now, while this may be a perspective from only 5 weeks in, it's completely true, and I think we all know it. WE ARE NOT READY. I hope I'm wrong! I hope our defense plays lights out like today, I was very impressed. I hope our passing game can put up those video-game numbers and establish a deep threat (ex. Geraldo Boldewijn, curse you NCAA). Also, I hope Doug and DJ can establish that dominant running game we've all been craving. Good luck to Boise State the rest of the year. Prove me wrong Sandwich Man! Prove me wrong Muscle Hamster! Prove me wrong Clark Kent!
Now if your still reading this, and not calling for my severed head, what are your thoughts?
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Wow, your sounding like an SEC fan. Are you really questioning whether Boise State is not worthy of playing in the championship game? Yeah, they might not be playing there best right now, but that does not mean they don’t deserve to play in the national championship. You do realize that one only a quarter of the way through the season, right? I guarantee by the end of the season, Coach Pete and company will be having this team firing on all cylinders. Once this team reaches it’s full potential, they can beat any team in the country.
You know what’s funny, as Bronco fans, we analyze this much, much more than the people who vote in the polls. For starters, they didn’t see the game at all because it was in the middle of the day on Versus. Also, do you really think they go in-depth and see how many rushing yards they average a game? No, they see we dominated Toledo, Tulsa, and Nevada and don’t bother to move us in the polls because nobody in front of us lost. I almost guarantee you that when the polls come out tomorrow, Boise State will still be ranked where they were last week.
I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minuteā¦and an internet connection.
wisconsin will jump but point taken.
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 1, 2011 10:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you're off your rocker
I could see this kind of hard nosed self critiquing next year when we really do have to reload but I think we’re doing pretty darned good and getting better.
Yes there are inconsistencies, but that’s just normal for any team replacing key positions not end of the world stuff. Look at TCU right now, they are getting outfoxed not outplayed…exactly what a young and inexperienced team with good athletes would be prone to. They play the same style defense and have some similar characteristics as us…strong DL, experienced LB’ers, and inexperienced safeties and yet we have not had the melt down they have.
In fact, I would say we look exactly the way we aught to look…an improving team that is going through growth pains at the OL, WR, and Safety positions. I don’t think there’s a single team in America that could blow us off the field and for that reason, I think it’s perfectly fine should we get a NCG or BCS Bowl invite and I also think there’s as much reason, if not more, to think we can win that game – regardless of the opponent – as there is to think they could win it.
We need our deep play-action passing game to work. That is the single biggest contributor to the run game issues. This offense will hum once it gets a balanced attack going and the play-action deep post or fly is the route that can unlock that. Our Nickel Backs are getting better and I saw Dextrell Simmons for the first time in this game, he had a tackle for loss I believe. Our FS position got “fixed” as soon as Febis returned, the corners have been better than expected, and Gavins replacement (QEB) just had a very strong game in his first game as a starter.
I don’t know; we’re undefeated and haven’t had a close game yet, it doesn’t seem time to hit the “let’s be real” button to me. On the contrary, I see improvement, toughness, and a reason to think we’ll continue to get better. That’s cause for Battle Hymns not Funeral Marches.
I’d be shocked if we played OU, LSU, Bama, or Stanford and got blown out. I see plenty of imperfections with those teams as well with OU looking the best from a total team perspective.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Not sure what to think
There are definitely glimpses of greatness there. At this point, I would be thrilled to see them win out and make a BCS bowl. There has been so much adversity already this year and yet the team keeps collecting the W’s. Good wins, bad wins, and ugly wins. They are all wins. It is good to be a Bronco. Let’s enjoy the ride and see our Seniors go out with a bang. If there is no NC game and no Heisman, oh well. These kids continue to pile up the wins and learn a few things about themselves and about life along the way. There is still time to put it all together so who knows how it will end. Let’s just enjoy it.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." -- Dan Hawkins
Who gives a bw about a NC
Just enjoy your team nay sayers. You will feel stupid by the end of the year for doubting coach Pete and crew I promise you.
I'm the 12 th man its my job its my duty.
by Dothework on Oct 1, 2011 9:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I disagree with this
It’s true that we haven’t seen a complete game out of these guys quite yet, but aside from the kicking game, there aren’t any glaring deficiencies (and even there it may not be so bad: 1/1 on field goals, eh?). The Broncos have ruthlessly dominated every opponent except maybe Toledo on defense, and Toledo still could only manage a single touchdown and a last-minute field goal in the first half. Even though the team’s been struggling to execute, they’ve been crushing their opponents so badly the games were still largely decided before they began. As commentators would say about some SEC team that barely edges some FCS team, “good teams find a way to win,” and even as BSU’s been spotting its opponents free yards and points nobody’s gotten close to catching up to the Broncos in garbage time, let alone threatening an upset. The defense is suffocating when it matters, and the offense has been limited more by its own mistakes than by opposing defenses.
That said, the difficulties that we’ve been seeing are all fixable, and have been getting fixed. The kicking game is better, the tackling is more effective, they’re not giving up too many big plays anymore, and rumors of the running game’s death have been greatly exaggerated. By the end of the season, we might not even have anything to complain about (though people will still find something).
by Confused European on Oct 1, 2011 10:17 PM PDT reply actions
This isn't too accurate...
our special teams have been danger
Extra point troubles? Yes. Special teams? No.
See, average field position, punting, field goal percentage (heehee) and general return game….
I disagree with a lot more but this was egregious…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 1, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I also hope your next fan post reads: Is LSU WORTHY of a National CHampionship...
19-6 against Mississippi leaves a little to be desired….
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
State...
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 1, 2011 10:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe so...
But LSU has already done far more to EARN a shot at the national title than Boise will be able to do all season. The best resume Boise can hope for is a few wins over potentially decent/good teams (Georgia, Air Force, and TCU…neither are anything special but they may turn out to be respectable at least).
Boise might be the greatest college football team ever, but it isn’t fair to a team like LSU who is going to have to run the gauntlet to even try to compare them to Boise re: who deserves a shot. The MNC participants aren’t selected on potential, they’re selected on what they’ve actually done.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 2, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
OMG. Are you still around, Fish?
Did Kyle finally ban you from Dawgsports, so that you have to spend your time here on OBNUG? You’re such a virulent Bronco hater (“podunk school”), or don’t you think we read Georgia’s blogs? Remember, heart!
by SeniorChief on Oct 3, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would Kyle ban me from Dawg Sports?
Boise was one of our opponents this year. They’re (unfortunately, since it meant we lost to them) in the MNC discussion yet again, so this is a relevant conversation for a college football fan. Are you opposed to differing viewpoints?
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 3, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Help, please. Does M stand for Mythical?
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
yes...
so why does the BCS defender call it mythical??? Color me Confused!?!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
you have the weirdest sense of humor, ever!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 4, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the biggest thing wrong with the "Is it Fair" debate is
that it really can only apply to the SEC West. Everyone else across America plays such a widely differing SoS from year to year that it’s an impossible standard to apply. Since it only applies to one division in one conference then it seems a bit crazy to consider it at all, especially outside that division when it comes to the other dance partner in the big game.
In every sport, there is a more difficult road travelled by different teams and that never enters the equation when it comes to who gets into the title game. Div I. CFB is the only one I see people as the “is it Fair” question which always sounds like a toddler to me. When the Raiders barely lost to the Patriots in the playoffs a few years, I don’t think it was fair that they had to play in a blizzard or that officials got the forward motion fumble call wrong. Vice Versa, I don’t think it was fair that NE’s kicker had to kick the winning FG from 40+ yards out in a blizzard. But thems the breaks. I don’t think it’s fair that some NBA and NFL teams have to “run a gauntlet” just to reach the playoffs and others can practically waltz in b/c they’re head and shoulders above their division foes.
It’s kind of a crybaby’s argument, nothing is fair, you deal with it and press on. This is also why the voters evaluate a team beyond just they’re schedule, they look at the on field product. You don’t see SMU getting ranked in the Top 5 just b/c they’re undefeated or insert whatever team you want there. Is it Fair is a bogus argument for whiners who have tunnel vision of a single division in all of CFB.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
by pjohn56 on Oct 5, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd pjohn
Astute, as usual. Fish needs to remember that “fair” is something that happens every August down by the river, with lots of carnival rides and cotton candy.
As you said, the whiners need to “deal with it and press on.”
This isn't a debate we want to get into
LSU also trounced Oregon and, in Morgantown, Wf’V.
I don't believe in dibs, or love at first sight, or love, or best friends, or doing things.
Not arguing that it would be fair to LSU....
But if BSU is the greatest team ever and they can’t/won’t play for a championship then it isn’t fair to BSU either…
Also, worthiness and fairness are different. BSU is absolutely WORTHY of playing in MNC game, do they deserve it over some other undefeated team? That is a different argument altogether….
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 2, 2011 11:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't talking about fair or worthy, just that LSU has played better, looked better, playing better opponents
I do agree that it’s unfair that Boise State has no chance to play in the championship game even if they are worthy.
I don't believe in dibs, or love at first sight, or love, or best friends, or doing things.
Do you really believe Boise is ABSOLUTELY worthy...
of playing for the MNC, particularly at this point in the season? Or is this a hypothetical if Boise runs the table?
I hope a win over Georgia is that valuable, but I have a hard time seeing it.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 2, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
the system is silly...so all i am saying is
That I think BSU is possibly the best team in the country and unless someone beats them they are worthy of being crowned champions…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 2, 2011 8:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The system isn't silly at all.
People that want a playoff like to say that, but the system does what it is supposed to do. It selects the two best teams at the end of the year (or at least does the best possible job of that given the information available) and matches them up to play for the championship.
College football’s system is far superior to the NFL’s where 10-6 teams get to farcially claim that they’re world champions.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 3, 2011 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions
and you know these are the "two best teams at the end of the year" how?
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
by boiseblues on Oct 3, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you know
some complicated computer formula that involves IRRATIONAL numbers and ratios and maybe even some provitamin b complexes
Noel.Diggity.....NO DOUBT!
Bronco Nation...where the heavens and our hallowed ground are both BLUE!
by Noel.Diggity on Oct 3, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
irrational numbers just need to wait a week and they'll feel much better. or take Midol.
and I thought ratios were illegal after Little Rock, and
hasn’t provitamin b complex been banned as an hgh?
This exemplar of clear thinking is exactly what makes up a large segment of the BCS formula.
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
Yes a definition of a good championship system is:
It selects the two best teams at the end of the year (or at least does the best possible job of that given the information available) and matches them up to play for the championship.
That is WAY better than selecting a pool of the teams that did best during the regular season and then finding out who the best team is by actually having them play against each other…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 3, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Were the New York Giants...
the best team in the NFL in 2007?
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 3, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Should New England have been given the title?
New York was not the best team, which isn’t even the point…they played well enough in the regular season to get to the post season and EARN a title. They played the best team (NE) and BEAT them on the field!
Was Green Bay the best team last year? I think we would all agree that they were but if the BCS was implemented in the NFL then no way a 10-6 team is crowned champion…It would have been given to Atlanta or somebody that was worse…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
I don't think those New York or Green Bay teams...
should have ever been involved in the playoffs to begin with. They couldn’t even win their own divisions.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
See, we have a fundamental difference...
I want the best team to get the championship….you are into that body of work mumbo jumbo…. I think you should have to qualify for the postseason through whatever regular season requirements are put in place by your league and then that pool of qualifiers starts over at 0-0 for a postseason playoff to crown a champion….it is a pretty good way to do it, EVERY other sport agrees with me!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 4, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every other sport doesn't do that.
The EPL (I’m in no way a soccer fan, by the way) has zero playoff. Everyone plays everyone, and the champion is the team that has the best record at the end of the season.
Then again, I’m a guy that thinks the MLB playoffs should consist of a 9-game series between the two regular season champions (with no interleague play), so maybe I’m a little weird.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh well if the EPL doesn't do it...
Then by all means, that must justify American College Football not doing it.
You get the point he was making. EVERY other sport and league (besides the EPL) has a playoff system to determine a true champion. Period. It’s that way because it works.
And yes, you are quite weird for your thoughts on the MLB… that would make ABSOLUTELY no sense…
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." -The Dude
"If you're always worried that something could blow up on you, you're not going to push the envelope and not going to try new things. Some of the stuff does blow up on us, but the tradeoff is the problems we're creating for defenses when it works." -Chris Petersen
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 5, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't it make any sense?
That’s how MLB did it in 1902, 1919, 1920 and 1921. You play 162 games in a season. You ought to be able to figure out who the best team is in a league by that point.
Instead, we have a system where you can dominate over 162 games and get thrown into a best-of-5 crapshoot and might only need two pitchers to win a series. That’s ridiculous.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 6, 2011 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions
162 gamesā 12 games
Even at 162 games, if you’re truly as good as your record indicates, then you should have no problems beating teams in a 5 or 7 game series.
It makes no sense to determine a champion from a large field of participants when so many of them have never played each other.
The same still holds true for college football except you add 4 times the amount of teams, reduce the games by a fraction and still have most of them never play each other. And you seriously think you can determine the two best teams from that? If so, you live in a fantasy world.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." -The Dude
"If you're always worried that something could blow up on you, you're not going to push the envelope and not going to try new things. Some of the stuff does blow up on us, but the tradeoff is the problems we're creating for defenses when it works." -Chris Petersen
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 6, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never guaranteed you could determine the two best teams.
Then again, I’d make the argument that the NFL playoffs, NCAA tournament, etc. don’t determine the best team either, they just determine the hottest team at the end of the season. My goal is to make the regular season as meaningful as possible and to reward excellence/perfection.
Losers shouldn’t get second chances and teams that perform at the highest level against the best competition should be rewarded accordingly.
Again, I understand why Boise fans wouldn’t get the regular season argument. If you ever get invited into a competitive conference, though, you might get where some of us are coming from. The regular season is a lot of fun/anxiety when you don’t expect to win every game by 40.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 6, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way...
the body of work is the best way to determine who the best team is. The larger the sample size, the less likely you are to have flukes throw you off.
Yes, the Green Bay Packers were the best team in the NFL in February of 2011. I don’t see why that should completely negate the fact that they weren’t even the best team in the NFC North from September-December of 2010.
Assuming logistics allowed it, would you be OK with college football instituting a 64-team playoff where practically every team with a .500 record gets a chance to play for the national title?
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
this would be ideal...
Everyone plays everyone
If it was feasible I would be fine with that as a championship determiner. It is not…
Assuming logistics allowed it, would you be OK with college football instituting a 64-team playoff where practically every team with a .500 record gets a chance to play for the national title?
I think that would be more telling than the current system but I don’t think you need 64.
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
So what number is ideal?
And how many regular-season losses are you OK with a “national champion” potentially having?
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 5, 2011 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
the problem with this;
I don’t think those New York or Green Bay teams…
should have ever been involved in the playoffs to begin with. They couldnāt even win their own divisions.
Is that nine division (conference) champions in college football don’t get a chance in the post season to win a title. Sometimes said champions are undefeated too…
The obvious lack of fairness issues aside, it just would create so much more interest and entertainment to have a real postseason!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 6, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
For Boise fans, yes.
I think seeing that garbage Hawaii team in 2007 has forever biased me against undefeated small conference teams that don’t play anybody.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 6, 2011 4:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok...
I think seeing that garbage Hawaii team in 2007 has forever biased me against undefeated small conference teams that donāt play anybody.
And yet you choose to pick out ONE team and neglect the 2004 Utah Utes (beat Pitt 35-7 in the Fiesta Bowl) the 2006 Broncos (beat Oklahoma 43-42 in the Fiesta Bowl) the 2008 Utes who once again destroyed their “superior competition” of your beloved SEC in the Fiesta Bowl (31-17) or the 2010 TCU Horned Frogs who beat a talented and tough Wisconsin team in the Rose Bowl. I would also cite the 2010 Broncos, but the BCS saw it’s first ever two non-AQ BCS busters and decided that in order to maintain the status quo, they would make them play each other as opposed to risking yet another upset in the long line of them in the short BCS history.
And you choose to ONLY look at the 2007 Hawaii team…
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." -The Dude
"If you're always worried that something could blow up on you, you're not going to push the envelope and not going to try new things. Some of the stuff does blow up on us, but the tradeoff is the problems we're creating for defenses when it works." -Chris Petersen
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 6, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Correction:
I would also cite the 2010 Broncos
Make that 2009
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." -The Dude
"If you're always worried that something could blow up on you, you're not going to push the envelope and not going to try new things. Some of the stuff does blow up on us, but the tradeoff is the problems we're creating for defenses when it works." -Chris Petersen
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 6, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I cite them because I saw them in person...
…just as I saw the 2005 Boise team in person. I only saw the other ones on television. The point is, though, that I constantly hear the exact same arguments about other mid-majors that I did about them leading up to our games.
Yeah, the 2011 Boise team is very good, but the Georgia team I saw them play against is a shadow of what it was in 2005/2007, so I’m still slightly skeptical.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 6, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
And...
I don’t put a lot of weight into bowl games like the 2009 Sugar or the 2007 Fiesta because I think motivation has a LOT to do with the outcome of bowl games. If a team isn’t interested to be there, a bowl trip presents a lot more distractions than a regular season game. I’m sure plenty here will completely dismiss that because it fits my agenda and not yours, but I absolutely believe it. I don’t think you’d have an easy time arguing that Alabama or Oklahoma were excited to be playing in those games and against those opponents, though.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 6, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I do dismiss this....
If they wren’t motivated to be there then that reflects a poor coaching staff. Kind of like saying that you wouldn’t put a lot of weight into a win because Team A had poor clock management or even a bad game plan….it is all part of what makes a team who they are.
Alabama should have had PLENTY of motivation to not get beat physically all over the field by Utah, they either couldn’t stop it because the Utes were better or the coaching staff failed to press the right buttons in the lead up to the game.
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 7, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
grrrr....
munson’d wren’t=weren’t
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
What does it really matter?
Winning a BCS game isn’t really worth much other than a nice ring and a trophy for the school’s trophy case. Schools like Alabama and Oklahoma just about lock Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl trophies in the janitor’s closet for lack of room from more important trophies.
The season is over, and for many of the players it is a chance to get a bunch of good gifts and spend a free weekend in a cool city. The game is almost an afterthought.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 9, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think "motivated" was the right word
I would have chosen “arrogant” or “unprepared”. You mean to tell me that these players weren’t motivated to play in a BCS bowl game? Talk about grasping at draws.
by Adkoon on Oct 8, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably some of that, too.
For teams that are a heartbeat away from a national title, yes, a BCS bowl game that isn’t the title game can be a disappointment. I remember being disappointed that we were only playing in the Sugar Bowl in 2007, and I think the only reason the team was able to come out on fire and stomp the crap out of Hawaii (aside from Hawaii’s total suckiness) is because our coaching staff was able to frame the game as the first game of 2008 rather than the last game of 2007. It didn’t do us any good in 2008, but it at least worked for that night.
I’ve seen our players come out flat in bowl games too often to not believe it happens. Once it even happened in a BCS game (2006 Sugar against West Virginia).
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 9, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
So I guess if Hawaii were your team...
…rather than being “garbage” they would have just “come out flat”. Maybe they weren’t garbage after-all. Maybe since they were undefeated up until that point, they lacked motivation and came out flat because they didn’t make the NC game? Or is that just a syndrome held exclusively by SEC teams?
by Adkoon on Oct 9, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I watched that Hawaii team play multiple games...
they just weren’t any good. They barely got by a pitiful Washington team and that was their best win of the year.
Do you think they were a BCS-level team?
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 10, 2011 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not...
…but the point being, things like coming out flat, lack of motivation,or the ability to to improve throughout the season are things that all teams can share. They aren’t attributes held specifically for SEC teams so that their fans can rationalize when their teams just plain out lose games. Whether or not Hawaii was deserving might be a more relevant argument had their been a number of other non-AQ losses in BCS games. However, we all know that when given the chance, the non-AQ teams have been dominant in the BCS. If you’re not convinced based on that evidence, then I don’t know what will convince you. Maybe you’re the sort of person that needs to get soaked to the bone before you’ll admit that it’s raining.
Lurve how you dudes are so protective of the existing order
In a couple of years, when the major conferences have finished reorganizing, set up a college football association, and, within that new college football association, put on a playoff, you’ll probably be one of its biggest supporters.
I don't believe in dibs, or love at first sight, or love, or best friends, or doing things.
If a playoff is limited to four teams at most...
and only conference champions, with conferences that have a relatively even degree of schedule strength, then I can live with one.
Otherwise, no.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The answer to this;
Were the New York Giants…the best team in the NFL in 2007?
is that in the NFL the highest “ranked” team, New England, had a shot at a title ALONG WITH all of these other teams….so no matter what in the NFL (or any other team sport exclding, apparently, the EPL) the best team will have a chance to win it all. You can’t make that claim with the BCS system…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 6, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
What if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were the best team in the NFL last year?
They didn’t get a shot to win it atl.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 6, 2011 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
EVERY team had a shot...
They all started out 0-0 and not only knew what they had to do to have a shot at a title (win their division or make the wildcard) but also had a chance to do it…(BSU can’t make teams schedule them to increase “body of work” and SOS)
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 7, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The system has not done what it was supposed to do...
And people who say otherwise are usually the ones whose teams/conferences benefit the most from it. Any reasonably intelligent person understands that the B©$ system is all about keeping the status quo for the sake of money. Period.
Anybody who thinks a playoff isn’t a better (best) solution is completely out of touch with reality. And perhaps a little scared that Boise would actually earn their way to a true national championship game where nobody can argue otherwise against their “worthiness”.
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 3, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Count me as out of touch with reality, then.
My team has not benefited from the BCS at all. The last time we played for the national title was under the old tie-in system. We didn’t get a chance to play for the MNC in 2002 or 2007 when we very legitimately may have had the best team in the nation going into a playoff.
I’m ok with that, though. We didn’t earn a shot relative to what other teams did. We lost a game in 2002 and two in 2007, so we play the hands we’re dealt.
I get that Boise fans don’t like the BCS because they can go undefeated and get sent to a consolation Fiesta Bowl. Yeah, that sucks, but it is probably also your best chance at actually winning a MNC. For instance, if you managed to get in this year, you’d get a one-off against LSU or Alabama (most likely) rather than having to win, for instance, three games against legit competition, all of which would be far better than anyone else you play all year.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 3, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Auburn in 2004???
They never lost and played a pretty tough schedule….
We very legitimately may have had the best team in the nation going into a playoff.
The above is the reason why we need a playoff…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
The System is a farce
How the can you call yourself “the national champion” when there is no head to head playoff? Every other sport out there and every other division of football ie NFL. CFL. AFL, every other division of college football (NCAA D-1AA, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA) High School all have playoff systems. The only thing the system tries to do is ensure that the “national championship game” puts 2 teams out there that are going to generate the most revenue for the Biased Cash System, not which true are truly the most deserving.
Could TCU have beaten Auburn last year, we didn’t get to find out because they didn’t play each other or BSU playing Alabama the year before that. By your own admission say the BCS hasn’t been fair to your favorite team, you of all people should be advocating a playoff system where a legit champion is crowned. Champions should be decided on the field, not based on computer ranking and polls, the best team at year’s end is the one that finishes that way and has an opportunity to do so. If multiple teams finish undefeated then that means there is no decisive champion and sports are about putting undefeated teams/individuals head to head to determine #1.
by Stealthbomb89 on Oct 3, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say the system hasn't been fair to my team.
While we may have had the best team at the end of the year, we certainly didn’t have the best season of any team in 2002 or 2007. We didn’t deserve a shot at the title in either year because we slipped up along the way.
That’s what you guys seem to miss. The college football regular season is the greatest regular season in American sports. I’m not willing to just throw that away because every once in a while someone feels screwed. I guess this is a matter of perspective. I’m a fan of a team that gets tested in most weeks and enjoys the tension and drama that come with it. Alabama and LSU are by far the two best teams in the SEC (and country) right now, but they’re still going to be challenged more often than not and can’t have a bad week or they might lose. Boise has turned into a program that is strong enough that they’re only challenged two or three times a season at most. I can understand why you wouldn’t value the regular season near as much given that most of Boise’s regular season is like playing a game on an X-Box…you’re trying to rack up ridiculous statistics and blowout scores because winning the game isn’t really a challenge. As an example of this, I point out last week’s Nevada game where it seems like many here are unhappy with a 20-point win against a relatively respectable (in regards to the overall schedule) opponent.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say the system hasn't been fair to my team.
While we may have had the best team at the end of the year, we certainly didn’t have the best season of any team in 2002 or 2007. We didn’t deserve a shot at the title in either year because we slipped up along the way.
That’s what you guys seem to miss. The college football regular season is the greatest regular season in American sports. I’m not willing to just throw that away because every once in a while someone feels screwed. I guess this is a matter of perspective. I’m a fan of a team that gets tested in most weeks and enjoys the tension and drama that come with it. Alabama and LSU are by far the two best teams in the SEC (and country) right now, but they’re still going to be challenged more often than not and can’t have a bad week or they might lose. Boise has turned into a program that is strong enough that they’re only challenged two or three times a season at most. I can understand why you wouldn’t value the regular season near as much given that most of Boise’s regular season is like playing a game on an X-Box…you’re trying to rack up ridiculous statistics and blowout scores because winning the game isn’t really a challenge. As an example of this, I point out last week’s Nevada game where it seems like many here are unhappy with a 20-point win against a relatively respectable (in regards to the overall schedule) opponent.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
After week one you were all but eliminated from championship contention...
How does any system that eliminates teams after week one and eliminates TONS of teams before the season starts create:
the greatest regular season in American sports.
Plus postseasons should be better than the regular season, not an anti-climactic dud!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 4, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
yup, and rec'd for rational thoughts.
"Grateful to the friends and the circumstances that enabled me to be a Bronco. I'm just glad I lived to see these days." SeniorChief
Yes, we were eliminated...
and it made the loss against Boise all that much more painful. Under a playoff, the only thing that Boise game would have been relevant towards would be potential seeding, and that only really matters if you have home games in the playoff. I don’t want games like the one our teams played against each other to become so irrelevant.
If the MWC had an automatic bid to a college football playoff, would you as Boise fans be paying close attention to games like Georgia-South Carolina or TCU-Baylor? Of course not. The importance of the regular season is VERY good for the game of football, as shown by the huge amounts of money the television networks pay for broadcast rights.
My biggest fear is that a playoff (especially 16+ teams) would turn college football into college basketball where very few people worry about the regular season outside of doing enough to get in the tournament and then everyone becomes fixated with their “brackets” rather than the actual games.
Plus postseasons should be better than the regular season, not an anti-climactic dud!
Not sure I understand this. There are blowouts in playoffs as well, including championship games. The BCS CG is more often than not a very entertaining game.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 4, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I understand this:
If the MWC had an automatic bid to a college football playoff, would you as Boise fans be paying close attention to games like Georgia-South Carolina or TCU-Baylor? Of course not.
Bowl games get great ratings and they mean NOTHING to ANY other team than the participants. Also, people love big games such as Georgia vs S. Carolina, it would get watched.
Look at the NFL, that is the very best system. All of their games are watched with division games being more important and everyone has both a shot at a championship and know exactly what needs to happen to make the playoffs.
One other fact is that 38% of nfl teams make the playoffs and in a 16 team playoff only 13% (6.5% in an 8 team playoff) of college teams would get in….the regular season would still be greatly important.
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
Agree to disagree.
I didn’t even watch all of the Atlanta Falcons game on Sunday, much less any of the other ones. I watch about 90% more college football than I do NFL in the regular season. The games just aren’t near as meaningful and they’er too homogenized.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 5, 2011 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay we shall respectfully disagree...
though about 90% of college games don’t mean squat either…
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
Also:
If the MWC had an automatic bid to a college football playoff, would you as Boise fans be paying close attention to games like Georgia-South Carolina or TCU-Baylor?
Are you suggesting that Texas, Ohio State and Virginia Tech fans (who play in AQ conferences) don’t enjoy an SEC showdown or a team in their conference against a good opponent OOC? Heck, I watched Cal-Oregon last night and it has ZERO ramifications on BSU’s season!
The Bulldogs had no answers, so they called timeout. And at that moment, every single person in the stadium knew that Georgia was in over its head. It was instant singularity of Boise State's greatness.
-Kevan Lee
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 7, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We Have Had
All the trouble mentioned above, and maybe more. But we’ve still won all of our games thus far handily. When the kinks all get worked out, and we’re firing on all cyclinders, people better watch the hell out.
"#WINNING, Duh."
I disagree completely
What’s more, you’re selling your team way short!
I seriously challenge you to watch ANY… Scratch that, ALL of the top 10-15 teams play. Then report back and tell me you don’t see any inconsistencies, weaknesses or breakdowns in their play. If you can tell me that ANY other team is perfect or as near perfect as you can get, then you’re a liar. Boise hasn’t been perfect by any means but that doesn’t mean they’re not championship quality.
Through all of the “inconsistencies” in THIS Boise team, I’ve found one undeniable consistency: that whichever part of their game is down, the others pick up the slack. Today the offense struggled to put up 30 points on Nevada. Kellen had an unusually bad day. But Doug’s work in the running game paid off dividends and the defense barely gave up any points (and the 10 they “gave up” was nowhere near indicative of how the defense played). If I were to give points to the other team based on how Boise’s defense played, Nevada would have been in the negatives.
And the samme has been true for every other game. When defense struggled, it was the offense who shredded them. When special teams was off, we just kept putting the ball in the end zone, converting on 3rd and 4th and held them defensively. After all, that’s what TEAMS do. And Championship teams WIN as a TEAM and get the W’s. Whether it’s pretty or ugly, they get the job done.
You should consider yourself lucky that you’re a fan of a team that having a “crappy game” means still dominating by 20 and 25 points. Boise State is right on par with the current top teams and any of the previous “national championship” caliber teams.
And I’ll leave you with one final thought: “You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.”
by BroncoInDuckLand on Oct 2, 2011 1:04 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't care if we go to the NC game.
I’ll “settle” for a BCS Bowl. I spent all last season on pins and needles hoping Boise State would stay ahead of TCU and get into a big bowl. When the game that shall not be mentioned occurred I labeled the season as a failure (for a day or two…or seven, whatever). This year, I’m enjoying the players. Doug, Kellen, Billy, Shea, Nate, Mitch, Thomas, etc. etc. in their final year. So I don’t care about a NC, because we’ve had great season’s before that didn’t result in us getting there. I’m concerned about quality of play. In that regards, we have been left wanting. Execution isn’t there and at times we look very sloppy. Drops, fumbles, interceptions, missed tackles, blown blocking assignments. It’s very uncharacteristic of this team. I’m sorry the author of this post got blown up for expressing his opinion. If you need a true measuring stick of our team’s performance this year I suggest listening to Coach Pete’s comments during and after games. He’s still searching for a complete game, so I think it’s absolutely acceptable for us to do the same. That doesn’t mean we’re not dominating, it just means we’ve yet to fire on ALL cylinders. And other top ten teams have looked more complete than us. It’s not the end of the world. It’s the beginning of the season. But on a side note, y’all need to quit acting like anyone who points out some of our team’s deficiencies is a bad fan or a bandwagon fan. It’s a cop-out and an unnecessary personal attack. If you don’t believe that, you might want to think about how you react when someone calls you a bandwagon fan.
by ThePhlipinSituation on Oct 2, 2011 4:49 AM PDT reply actions
My take
YES! I thnk Boise should get a shot at the title if they win out.
However, we all know that the hard nosed critics will use yesterdays game against Nevada as a reason to label Boise as " mediocre" again. Let’s face it- we didn’t look that spectacular. But then again, neither did anyone else yesterday?( I will say that TExas made a statement yesterday)
It’s so funny that any of the teams in the so called " big boy" conferences are allowed one off game. But not teams like Boise. Damn we need a playoff system!
my opinion
We don’t need to be calling each other out for pointing out things that are wrong with the team. At the same time we have to realize that BSU football has set an impossibly high standard. Is there cause to worry when they don’t meet that standard? A little bit, maybe. But again, every game has been won by 2+ TDs.
To answer the original question, I worry about our team’s chances in a NCG right now. But they are still figuring things out, and fighting through an amazing number of injuries, and they are still undefeated. Let’s ask this question again towards the end of the season. Despite what some dip-BW SEC fan will tell you, there are still some challenges left on the schedule.
well said hummer
But it would help if the rest of the MWC would just win!
Just to clear up my opinion...
Yes, this is what I feel only what, 5 weeks into the season? Yes, I know we’re improving, but teams in front of us AND behind us are improving greatly as well. (Ex. Wisconsin and Alabama this week.) But one major point to make is that the top ten or so have actually been playing some “cupcake” teams for these weeks, while we have faced some stiff MAC and C-USA competition.
I know we have EXTREME potential with our team, but from what I’ve seen, there’s extreme potential on every team around us as well. Look at LSU, Oklahoma, and Alabama in front of us. While they may have their weaknesses, they are all better rounded teams than us this far in the season. Also, look behind us at teams like Clemson, Oklahoma St., and Stanford.
But as we all know, ANYTHING can happen in CFB. Teams/players can have bad weeks, like we saw with Kellen this week. All it takes is a bad week for a few teams around us to change my mind. With games with the likes of LSU – Alabama, Wisconsin – MSU/OSU, Oklahoma – TA&M/OK St., still looming on the schedule, it’s VERY possible to see teams faltering and showing more weaknesses.
We’ve got off to a slow start undoubtedly, and are still establishing those go-to athletes. Once we establish these threats, I have no doubt we will be a team to be reckoned with. But if we continue to play like this, I’m not so sure the media and voters will consider us worthy for a bowl game of BCS magnitude.
I don't look at schedules, I look a tteams
I’d rank OU, Bama, LSU, and Wisky ahead of us based on how they play football right now. Of those, I think OU and Wisky have the best balance and Bama/LSU the best defense and discipline.
I think Boise St. could play with every one of them and wouldn’t want to bet money on any of those hypothetical matchups for either team.
I’d take BSU straight up against both Ok. St. and Clemson. Clemson is overrated, they are playing good ball for the ACC and that’s the key. Everyone is falling in love w/ them on the East Coast b/c they beat both the ACC favorites but what does that really say about them? Not much imo. FSU’s defense is for real and that’s about all…they’re down to their 5th receiver and their D didn’t even show up in that game plus Greg Reid was either out or had something going on significant, I can’t recall which. VT impressed everyone the same way Oregon does, by beating the bejesus out of nobody. But without a single game prior to Clemson to use as a measuring stick we really didn’t know.
Ok. St. plays lights out offense and nothing else. They gave up like 33 points to Tulsa and they’re history backs that statement up. Boise St. takes it hands down. Stanford has done nothing to warrant a jump ahead and they lost their star MLB for the year, I like our chances.
Even Wisky has only beaten Nebraska and Nebraska is a little like Oregon to me also, either you have the defensive style to bottle up Martinez or you’re gonna get killed, there is no middle ground. Still, just looking at HOW Wisky is playing ball and winning their games sells me on them being a terrific team this year so I would strongly consider ranking them ahead of BSU b/c they have played better than BSU overall imo. It’s all speculation and best guess theories in CFB and that’s mine.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Is Boise State WORTHY of a National Championship this year?
Maybe. We’ll see.
WILL we be in the NC game?
Probably not. We’ll see.
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
If a handful of plays went differently on Saturday, would we even be having this conversation?
Kellen overthrows a few guys, a few passes are dropped in the numbers that would have been touchdowns. At 30-10, this game was in COMPLETE control and could have easily been 44-10 or 51-10 and instead of having this nonsense conversation, we’d be shopping for blue and orange beads for New Orleans. So our passing game was off one day for the first time in 3.5 years? That’s hardly worth worrying about. Is anyone really concerned about our passing game? The good news is, our defense looked dominant, the running game came out of hiding, our special teams were solid as they have been all season, and we made a field goal. Put the passing game back to where it usually is and you’ve got a recipe to blow teams out of the water.
by Adkoon on Oct 3, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It sez I flagged you but I din't
/slipsarecintothepalm
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into in the first place.
We have who will soon become the winningest QB in CFB history
We have only lost 2 games in 4 years by a total of 4 points.
We have DOMINATED all of our opponents this year.
We are the best team in D1 this year.
We definitely belong in the NTG and will win it if we get in.
The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight
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