"Did Boise State steal a win" and other random musings
by Kevan Lee on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 AM PDT
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PrintThe Broncos pulled off one of the greatest wins in school history last night, and I have just begun to start sorting things out. How did Boise State do it? How did it make me feel? And how am I going to survive the next four months?
After the jump, I lay out some of the thoughts that are dominating my head this morning, the biggest one being how this win compares to other Bronco biggies. And then I'm opening it up to you. What reaction do you have to Boise State's win now that it has sunk in? Think my random musings are too out there? Share your thoughts in the comments.
Thoughts I thought: Did Boise State steal a win?
I feel kind of guilty even entertaining this idea, but I can't help it. That game last night felt for all intents and purposes like a loss, right up until the final two minutes. Virginia Tech was having their way with the Boise State defense, the Bronco offense was playing in fits and starts, and Boise State was trailing for a good chunk of the second half.
The game seemed more out of Boise State's control than any other game I can remember since the 2008 Poinsettia Bowl. Virginia Tech was a Tyrod Taylor scramble away from icing the game late. They were a long completion away from sending it to overtime.
If you had watched the game as an unbiased observer, I am sure you would have felt Virginia Tech was in command. Right up until the final two minutes.
Boise State made the plays when they absolutely had to and it just so happened to be right at the end. It's not often that a Boise State team snatches victory from the jaws of defeat, but it happened last night.
And maybe that's why it feels so weird. Bronco fans aren't used to seeing the Broncos win games this way. When Boise State wins, it is thorough and convincing and typically very comfortable. It was none of those things last night.
Thoughts I thought: If Boise State were ever going to a lose a game, this one was it
It takes a lot of football karma to go undefeated three out of four regular seasons and win two BCS bowls. Well, football karma seemed to catch up with the Broncos last night.
They lost two fumbles in the most bizarre ways - Thomas Byrd schruting an easy recovery and Nate Potter going Derrick Thomas on Kellen Moore. They blew a 17-point lead. They committed over 100 yards' worth of penalties, including two personal fouls, two pass interferences, and one of the worst running into the kickers you will see. They wasted a second half timeout that could have come in very handy later. They missed a gimme field goal.
And they won?
Against No. 10 Virginia Tech?
Thoughts I thought: Boise State is going to steamroll some teams this year
This thought began when I witnessed Billy Winn stand up an offensive guard, stare him right in the eyes, and throw him aside like a hacky-sack. Boise State is going to destroy some teams this year.
The Bronco defensive line is stupendous. Keep in mind that Ryan Winterswyk was not even close to 100 percent last night. A healthy Winterswyk coupled with Winn, Chase Baker, and Shea McClellin is unblockable for six out of eight WAC teams. The backup line of Michael Atkinson, Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe, Tyrone Crawford, and Jarrell Root could start for half of the nation's teams. This line is amazing.
The Bronco running game is astounding. They ran for 180 yards on 24 carries last night against one of the best defenses they will see. Can you imagine D.J. Harper running against Hawaii? Doug Martin against Nevada? Jarvis Hodge against San Jose State? Watch out.
Thoughts I thought: I'm good if Boise State loses this one
For much of the fourth quarter and especially during Virginia Tech's penultimate drive, I had officially talked myself into accepting a Boise State loss. I wasn't happy about it, but I was resigned to it. Here was my rationale:
- The next 11 games on the Broncos' schedule will be much easier to stomach. No pressure. Fewer sleepless nights. Less anxiety.
- I don't have to hear about the BCS for the next five months.
- All those late-to-the-party Bronco bandwagoneers can move on.
I was especially content with that last one. Of course, two minutes and a Kellen Moore feat of strength later, I was unconvincing myself of everything I had just convinced myself of.
Thoughts I thought: Poinsettia Bowl much?
Was it just me or was this game the spitting image of the 2008 Poinsettia Bowl?
Boise State jumps out to an early lead. Opposing team scores just before halftime. Opposing team takes it to Boise State for a good portion of time. Kyle Brotzman misses an important field goal. And Mark May was prominently involved. It was like something out of the Twilight Zone. Or Quantum Leap since I liked Quantum Leap a lot more than I liked Twilight Zone.
Thoughts I thought: Never mind all those bad things I said about Tyrod Taylor
I had my doubts about Taylor before the game. And while I'm not going to anoint him the next Vince Young, I am willing to admit that I underestimated him. I underestimated him a whole lot.
Your turn
What do you think about my random Bronco thoughts? Did you share any of them? Which ones were you thinking? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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I have no voice
My throat is toast..
What a game , I thought forsure I would die in my sleep from a heart attack.
It was great meeting all you folks at the tail gate now everyone get home safe.
HOLY CRAP
First, I was also resigned to a loss with about 6 minutes to go in the 4th. Theres a lot of things that the Broncos need to tighten up – first up are penalties and turnovers. It very much was typical BSU football though, a quick start followed by 3.5 quarters of slightly better than “meh,” and a strong finish since it was required to do what Broncos do….which is win.
We’ve got a lot of football left. I’m worried about Oregon State, Nevada, Fresno, and Idaho, and I’m worried that we’ll have a whole season of BSU “playing with” whoever the opponent is, and not racking up the style points it’s going to take to make it to the game in Glendale that must not be named.
Also, Alabama and Ohio State can lose at any time now. Next weekend works for me.
I’m excited and happy and can’t believe that finish. Kellen looked like BSU has to pull every game out from behind in the last 2 minutes. Cold as ice!
Big props to Gallarda for that beautiful catch in the first half, and the defense for making control of the line look like a cake walk against a big ACC team.
This is going to get fun, kids!
"Whether it's checkers or jump rope or football, to stop me you've got to bring everything you've got."
GO Miami
I am on the Miami bandwagon this week when they take on Ohio State!! Lets take’m out early.
I'm good with an undefeated Alabama.
I’m not one to say that Boise State will get in the National Championship game… but if they do, I want it against a 0 or 1 loss Alabama team. Any other team and they’ll just excuse Boise State’s win (if they win).
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
I was preparing for full-on sulk mode.
You just can’t ever count the Broncos out. Kellen got his Heisman campaign off to a great start.
The game answered some questions about Boise State's secondary
Not sure I like all the answers.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
by marktgarten on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They will get better
But now I know I can’t trust 13 completely.
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
I second that
We can’t trust him and he isn’t even ever pressing his man. He was off him by 10 yards and was still failing to keep coverage on his man.
Pressing
Not defending his bad game, but that’s not his fault. None of the coverage calls put BT in press coverage. I got tired of all the screens and BSU still played back. He did give up some deep balls, but it doesn’t matter that he started 10 yards back, CBs don’t move back until a move is made, the WRs just got him.
"You don't play against opponents. You play against the game..." - Bobby Knight
Glad that bugged the crap out of someone else.
I got tired of all the screens and BSU still played back.
They were always 10+ yards away from the receivers. I suppose it was all in the game of containing Tyrod, but those screens did start to rub me the wrong way. They should have used them in that lasts series, in my opinion.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Ugly
I completely agree. I think Thompson has a butt load of work to do before Wyoming.
What?
Thoughts I thought: I’m good if Boise State loses this one
The coach of the terps said it best after beating Navy.
There is an ebb and flow to any close game. When it comes down to it the team that wants it more will win. That was a parafrazed quote from memory.
Late in the 4th I KNEW if Kellen got his hands on the ball it was over. Z was nowhere near the QB Kellen is, but the team still beat Oklahoma.
Oh ye of little faith. I will for give you your transgretion just this once…LOL!
I was a little edge myself that we would not get the ball back.
What an incredible game
Tyrod Taylor is a very, VERY good athlete. I think everybody underestimated him.
Lucky for us… we’ve got a pretty good QB, too. :)
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Hell yeah!!!!
Amen to that. Kellen is a top notch a** kicker
Brent Mussbrgrgrrr
Old goof! Kept saying, “…Kyle BroNtsman…”, also announcer chewed up Tommy G’s name, used spanish inflection of double “LL” as a “y” (it is ga-LLarda, right? g’yarda?). Oh well, THAT aslo was entertaining and no extra charge! lol
To the right...my future brothers-in-law working hard on one of the trifecta of a Black & Gold birthright..."inebriation", yet before they acquired "nastiness" or "vandal-phrenia"
Not to mention we had to beat two different tech teams last night.
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
If he hits it from the left hash
Lets use the alter. :)
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
Oh come on
He got one in didn’t he? Give him a little break. He’s good.
That
chip shot was to take the lead. I think he can still be freshman Brotz, but I’d rather have a clutch kicker than one who has a ton of talent, but folds from the left hash on a consistent bases.
"You don't play against opponents. You play against the game..." - Bobby Knight
When We Went From a Last Minute 2-Point Favorite to a 2-Point Dog
I just smiled….
And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!
Yep, and we sent shivers down Polly Poodle's spine
There’s no need to fear! Underdog is here!
when criminals in this world appear
and break the laws that they should fear
and frighten all who see or hear
the cry goes up both far and near
for Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!
speed of lightning, roar of thunder
fighting all who rob or plunder
Underdog. Underdog!
when in this world the headlines read
of those whose hearts are filled with greed
who rob and steal from those who need
to right this wrong with blinding speed
goes Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!
speed of lightning, roar of thunder
fighting all who rob or plunder
Underdog. Underdog!
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
Look at it this way...
We have improved on our the first game syndrome antics of last year.
No fumbled snaps
A long left hash field goal.
When we got the ball back with just under 2 minutes left, I KNEW we would win. We have a big game QB and more importantly, our big game QB has loads of big game experience.
We are only going to get better.
We capitalized on the other teams mistakes and didn’t cave when the other team scored because of our mistakes. We could have given up on the last posession of the Hokies.
BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.
Great Game.
We’re lucky to have coach Pete and Kellen Moore. What a drive to win the game by the veteran Bronco offense. Does that qualify as Kellen’s “Heisman moment?” He has to be considered a serious candidate now.
I have to admit – I thought we were going to lose with about 4 mins left in the 4th qtr when it didn’t seem our defense was going to get the stop we desperately needed.
How good was Tyrod Taylor? The Bronco D held DE and RW in check throughout the game, but TT kept the Hokies alive with his arm and legs even after falling into a 17-0 hole.
What a way to start the college football season huh?
doh!
I tried to star the part about thinking Boise State would lose and sure enough it bolds my sentence. Serves me right I suppose…
Felt same way Dr; but when I saw KM bring us out to the 44, with time-it was like seeing the Virgin Mary above my bed in
the 3rd grade-I was a believer (Virgin didnt hold up-7th grade and a copy of my dad’s “The Carpetbaggers” did Her in)
tvmunson
Me too.
Once we got the ball back on our 45 yrd line (or whatever it was). I knew we had an above average chance to take the lead. I was surprised to see Kellen lead the game winning drive so quickly – only 38 seconds!! I thought, perhaps, we left Tyrod Taylor and VT too much time on the clock.
Combined time on both 2nd half scoring drives- 1 min 34 seconds
We had 6 min dirve in 1sr half; rest were quick too. weird stat
tvmunson
Quick thought
Why can’t Kellen do that, and be just as composed ,in the second and third quarters though?
I would definitely like to know that as well
Besides the sack, and a fluk of a fumble the offense line did a great job of giving Moore time.
I’m doing game charting this week, so I’ll note the hurries. Check back Thursday or Friday for those numbers.
"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars
The WAC Sports play by play box score
actually listed hurries. It also lists the type of route that was thrown. It messed up my parser, but it does have more information this year than last.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
according to that box score
Kellen was hurried 4 times and sacked twice. One of the sacks was the self-induced fumble and they only count hurries on incompleted passes. I am sure there were many more “hurries” but Moore’s quick decision making nullifies the pressure.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
Fumble = Sack?
I don’t really get that statistical connection.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
self-induced?
how about POTTER INDUCED!
Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.
Rules
A fumble by the QB is considered a sack…regardless of who recovers it.
Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.
Much to improve upon...
Although I agree that I was getting close to accepting that we might lose the game, I was more dreading the fact of going back to work here in DC and listening to everyone tell me how overrated Boise State is. Gratefully I didn’t have to worry about either.
I have to disagree with many of the comments with regards to Tyrod Taylor. He is a good athlete yes but quarterback maybe not so much. Yes he did break out for a few runs and picked up some nice yardage on a few play but he was still only averaging 4.6 yards on rushing. As a quartback he was much to timid and got sacked a number of times because of it. With the passing he lofted the ball far too much and with any good corners would have had 2 or 3 interceptions (instead of pass interference calls). Many of his short passes we have all seen a number of teams shread Boise State over the past few years with the corners playing ten yards off. This is a constant pet-peeve of mine while watching the games. Half their points came on short fields drives with costly turnovers. Granted so did half of ours. The D-line held the running back of VT in check all night which was awesome.
Penalties and I mean stupid penalties did not help our cause. We had alread watched the VT kicker miss a shorter field goal and there is no reason we should have been going that hard to block a 51 yard kick. That is no easy kicker for most college kickers. Completely shot ourselves in the face.
Overall I did not feel that our offense play particularly well. During most of the game I felt that they were out of rhythm and didn’t really know what they wanted to do. But all the matters is we got the win.
That made coming to work in DC so much more enjoyable. Needless to say I am wearing a blue shirt and orange tie today with a Boise State T-shirt underneath that will be exposed when I am riding public transportation this afternoon
by BNation325 on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I like what you said about Taylor, even if I don’t agree 100 percent. He definitely misfired on his fair share of balls last night. I just expected him to misfire on a whole lot more. And I didn’t think that Boise State would let him run around as much as they did.
"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars
Agreed B-the running into kicker penalty on 51 yard try is emblematic of a lot of flat stupid plays. That was dumbest IMO.
Makinde-our CBs seem to play w/o head at times. Scandrick a lot like that. Kyle was special-and we miss him.
tvmunson
BSU didn't steal it
as much as Tech gave it away.
AGONIZINGLY close to just bleeding the clock away. The QB counter run on second down made no sense. The pass on third down I understand, as Taylor had had a good night throwing the ball, but use something that had worked for at least a completion all night. Like the short slot screens that had been very effective.
Your pain means more to me than a victory.
I give in. You are soo right. Let’s just give it back to Tech.
WOW!
This program continues to amaze me. There is something very special about it. Call it Pokey love, call it hardwork, call it simply the best coaching staff in the country, who knows, but it is incredible. Kellen was born to run two minute drills. Tech wasn’t stopping him once he touched the ball, penalty or not. Harsin needs to run no huddle on at least 2 or 3 series a game. Kellen is a serious weapon in those circumstances. As far as the D, they are going to kill the WAC. I’m a tad worried about the secondary, but here’s to hoping it was a cramping issue and nothing else.. GO BRONCS!
Ever wonder what early signs and symptoms of a stroke are?....
Ask a Bronco fan. It feels like every big game we are in we come out hot and then let the other team back in it. After we were up 17-0, I got a funny feeling like I had seen something similar to this before. (Fiesta Bowl 1.0) I voiced my opinion and my father-in-law didnt agree. he said “No way, they have matured a lot since then.” I quietly agreed, but in the back of my mind those thoughts were still there.
I do grow a little tired of how in the big games we let the other teams right back into it, but man what a drive at the end of the game.
Awsome to see us win with smashmouth football and no trick plays. I wished they would have wrapped up with Lou and May. Would love to see him eat crow!!… Again!
Brandon Thompson Has work to do!
Too many plays to his side of the field were made. Scarred me every time tyrod threw the ball.
by TriCityBronco on Sep 7, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In WAC play I have always worried about our corners...
Boise’s usually ahead by 14 or so points going into the 4th quarter. That’s when other teams start to air it out and go for broke. Wilson was great but look down the list of corners who were taken advantage off through the years. Brown, Jones, Scandrick, and now Thompson, among others. Remember Dempsey Dees, same thing. 4th quarter always worries me, even with a good lead. Tulsa was a perfect example. two or three long balls get them right back in it.
Stealing a Win
While I was uncomfortable for much of this game, I expected to be. When ranked teams play each other with both teams featuring high powered offense, the result is unpredictable. Even more so when both teams are ranked in the top 10. I think the Broncos showed a definite ability to compete at this level and, while we cannot expect BSU to win every game against a ranked opponent from now on, we should expect them to compete. Sometimes, they will steal a win, sometimes dominate, sometimes fight hard and lose, sometimes melt down. I’m just glad to be part of the discussion.
Ken Pahlas
When ranked teams play each other with both teams featuring high powered offense, the result is unpredictable.
Nailed it. Boise State so rarely plays teams of VT’s caliber (maybe twice a year) that it’s hard to reconcile close losses when you’re so used to WAC blowouts. What do you think, Boise State would have won 6 out of 10 of these? More? Less? Definitely more evenly matched than almost any other team on the Bronco schedule in the past three years.
"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars
I liked Coach Beamer's remarks in the pre-game.
When Heather Cox posed a question to him about the Hokies having a size advantage his response was something like;
“Size advantage? Have you seen their players? I not too sure we have a size advantage.”Loved it.
I'm always right. Your Welcome.
Blue Turf Advantage
If 5 were home and 5 were away, I’d go with 8 of 10. We have done really well against the ranked members of the PAC 10 @ home and away. Its time to start expanding the consistency of the last 4 years to other conferences.
Ken Pahlas
Running Backs
It was nice to see our backs dishing out blows and falling forward after contact. Dj Harper looks like he is 3 bicep curls away from looking like Rambo. He and Martin were at times indiscernible from each other in the backfield.
great
job by DJ. I was afraid that he wasn’t going to be the same HR threat since his injury, boy was I wrong. Avery contributed just as much as I hoped for. Great use of all 3.
"You don't play against opponents. You play against the game..." - Bobby Knight
by bsu415 on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
totally agreed
I thought they did a very good job of utilizing all 3 backs. I would’ve preferred they run the ball a little more, actually… it seemed like we were running with a good amount of success. But the coaches did a tremendous job of balancing the touches between all 3 guys.
That said, I do loves me some more Doug Martin! ;)
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Stole a Win? Don't think so!
More like the stuff “Teams of Destiny” do! We all would have loved a blowout by the Broncos! My heart would have loved a blowout by the Broncos! This kind of win, however is so much better proof of the team’s character; don’t forget there were four lead changes. Our guys did not lose their composure! Yes it did remind me of the Poinsettia Bowl in so many unnerving ways. My deja vu moments went clear back to Fiesta Bowl #1 however; sitting in the same recliner, with same family members, believing the Broncos had lost, and begining to accept it, and at the end, same three phone calls from same three family and friends in same order of calls! Yes it was Twilight Zonish! Thanks again Broncos, for never ceasing to be amazing!
by DuckCountryBSUFan on Sep 7, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
By the Way
Living an hour from Autzen mad me think…would I rather our first game of 2010 had been a Duck-like 72-0 laugher, or a Bronco-like, national stage, Labor Day, come from behind win with substance? I’ll take the nailbiter any day!
by DuckCountryBSUFan on Sep 7, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
I am going to watch it again tonight.
rec’d for the part in bold type.
This thought began when I witnessed Billy Winn stand up an offensive guard, stare him right in the eyes, and threw him aside like a hacky-sack. Boise State is going to destroy some teams this year.
The Bronco defensive line is stupendous. Keep in mind that Ryan Winterswyk was not even close to 100 percent last night. A healthy Winterswyk coupled with Winn, Chase Baker, and Shea McClellin is unblockable for six out of eight WAC teams. The backup line of Michael Atkinson, Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe, Tyrone Crawford, and Jarrell Root could start for half of the nation’s teams. This line is amazing.
My sentiments, exactly. Billy Winn literally walked right past that guy like he was holding a door for him or something. One of my buddies looked at me on that play and said “Oh my, this might get ugly.”
Maybe it’s just me, but I never felt like the game was out of reach. When Va Tech was passing with four minutes left and the Broncos had no timeouts I was beside myself. Talk about a coaching FAIL. Run. The. Ball. When Kellen got it back with a little less than two minutes left I said to my brother, “Game over.” I knew he would step up.
I’ll be honest, Tyrod Taylor really impressed me with his poise and ability to get his team back into the game. Their running game was a non-starter from the gate, and he willed his team into the endzone. Much better than anything Boise State will face the rest of the season.
Cornerbacks. They flat out pissed me off. Thompson and Taylor played like it was pee wee football; out of position, backs turned, and when they did turn out it was usually the wrong way. If not for the behemoth sized appetite of the D-Line munching in the backfield, I do believe the game would have gone differently.
I'm always right. Your Welcome.
Radiosaid ESPN replay; i dont tape for superstitious reasons. I taped washington game-never again. I do tape replays.
Plus I’ve killed every goat in south east Boise.
tvmunson
Anyone
keep thinking “screen pass” every down, then proceed to yell every time it worked? I really miss coach Wilcox, I’ll give Coach K some time, but they let Tyrod do whatever he wanted to passing wise. Which sounds good, until he plays the passing game of his life.
"You don't play against opponents. You play against the game..." - Bobby Knight
I think they planned for the run
and Taylor’s passing success caught them a little off guard. Heck, I think it caught EVERYONE off guard, Taylor included.
However, I agree that it was frustrating. But I don’t think it was Coach K’s fault… our secondary played a pretty bad game.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
True
BT gave little effort IMO. I expected to hear Ilokas name a lot….but he seemed to be hidden all game. I just couldn’t figure out why we allowed short passes on 3 and 4-5-6 when we blitzed. Tyrod released it in 2 seconds to a wide open guy who only had to get past 1 guy for a first down. Corner play NEEDS to improve(obviously)
"You don't play against opponents. You play against the game..." - Bobby Knight
Thoughts I thought...
YEAH…WHEW!!!
UGG
MORE UGG
BW
YEAH
BIGGER UGG…BW, BW, BW
SWEET JESUS!!!!
and finally: I think I drank too much…confirmed this morning…
Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.
playing hack with o-linemen
Can’t wait to watch Winn smash a Vandal to the turf in such a fashion. That will make my season.
"Whether it's checkers or jump rope or football, to stop me you've got to bring everything you've got."
For the Broncos to play that badly, make that many mistakes, give away that many game changers,
and still beat a very good Hokie team on the road in front of 70k+ fans-well, kinda’ writes itself. they starteed strong and the dwindled, which normally spells doom. But when it counted they made the right play at the rigth time. The D’s stop, Mitch’s run (all OBNUG is happy to see him contribute) followed by flawless execution.
CONSIDER: ELAPSED TIME (COMBINED) ON OUR 2 SECOND HALF SCORING DRIVES- 1 MIN 34 SECONDS.
TALK AMONGST YOUSELVES.
tvmunson
How about the run d?
Ryan Williams averaged 2.1 YPC! Held VT as a team to 128! And the leading rusher was Taylor, and most of his runs were not designed runs. Thinking about that makes me feel even better about our secondary. I said in a different post that I think most of the problems in the secondary are easily fixable. But how many times did Taylor drop back to pass, look for a receiver for 3 or 4 seconds with no one open, and then the pocket begins to collapse? I think out secondary did a much better job than it looked like. Most of the issues in the secondary seemed to be miscommunication which the coaches will fix. I feel much better now that I’m thinking more about this.
"All we can do is win the games on our schedule" - Coach Pete
by givemesomemoore on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
44 rushes for 128-where is FATHER?
Replay on ESPN showed J.Taylor(our CB) coming to line but not blitzing-letting QB take off and then getting him. Commenter noted this. Plus give you’re right; i was down on the corners (song?) but as you point out secondary had receivers closed off. Qb made great plays ot get away. BTW I thought at least PART of the ball was on the ground-doesnt that make him down?
tvmunson
Ball on the ground
I believe that you cannot use the ball to keep yourself off the ground. That’s what the announcers were saying last night during that play. Part of the ball may have been on the ground, but the ruling on the field was that he only used the back of his hand. I’m not sure there was enough evidence to overturn the call.
"All we can do is win the games on our schedule" - Coach Pete
by givemesomemoore on Sep 7, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're not picky...
You’re a lawyer. Not Guilty vs. Innocent, they sound like they mean the same but they are not.
I love the colors Orange and Blue. Go Broncos!!! Go Titans!!! BAD WORD Gators!!!
It was a gutsy attempt.
Even using the back of your hand, that thing could have popped out easily. It was an athletic play that I appreciated, but also hated.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
VT almost stole one
or BSU almost gave it away. Too many penalties in key spots, missed an easy fg poor tackling at points. This game proves that BSU doesn’t need to play a perfect game to beat a ranked team. Great game and if it weren’t for Tyrod Taylor, it would have been a blowout, I didn’t give him enough credit.
"You don't play against opponents. You play against the game..." - Bobby Knight
Question for you guys.
Duck fan here.
The first thing I’d say is that Kellen Moore and the Broncos pretty much put on a clinic when it comes to the two minute offense and how to defend it as well. Beamer should be the first person to sign up when Petersen teaches a class on how to manage the game in the final few minutes. The poise and playcalling was beyond impressive.
Question on the inevitable BCS mess – What do you guys honestly think is the correct way to handle 1-loss teams from major conferences vs. a potential undefeated BSU team? I can’t stand that the guys on TV don’t understand the difference between saying BSU has an unfair advantage in the conference and saying they aren’t as good as the teams in the big conferences. There is a huge difference. It is pretty clear that they are on the exact same level as the “big boys,” but I can’t look past the fact that they could potentially sleepwalk through the WAC and still make it out unscathed. There is something to be said for facing a legitimate test in several of your conference games.
What is the answer here? Is there one? Am I beating a dead horse to even more death?
Oh, and whenever I drink ice water from now on, I intend to call it “Kellen More Juice.”
The philosophical questions you pose can be narrowed to these:
Should the NCS be about pitting the 2 best teams, or do certain conference champions only deserve to play?
No way to really answer but a patial one was provided last year, or at least an indication. When BYU beat Oklahoma, many said if they could win out they deserve to be in NCS. So the idea of a non-AQ being in an NCS has been given an airing. It will take a groundswell, and perhaps litigation or the rumor of litigation (sweet litigation) to get a non-AQ in an NCS.
tvmunson
Honestly
I think undefeated>defeated. Plain and simple. Doesn’t matter what conference you play in – on any given day, any given team can beat another (I’m looking at you, Ole Miss).
If there are 2 undefeateds from the “Big 6”, I understand us getting passed up, even if I don’t agree with it. But it would be a tragedy for an undefeated team to get left out of the NC in favor of a team who’s been beaten.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Not cut and dry answer
I think you have just have to make a gut call. A 1 loss BCS team who has convincing wins against quality opponents, and one close loss against a very good team? I can see a very reasonable argument for putting them ahead of undefeated BSU. A 1 loss BCS team with a bad loss against a fairly mediocre team, and some pretty close wins against other not-really-amazing teams, and a poor non-conference schedule? Doesn’t seem so reasonable anymore. But that is really all fairly subjective, hence the gut call.
One thing, though. BSU certainly does have an advantage in getting to an undefeated season mark by playing in the WAC. But there certainly is a tendency to say BSU’s schedule is 2 games and 10 byes. This isn’t all that true. Playing at Nevada is not easy, and quite a few BCS teams would lose playing there this year. Fresno State, the third best team in the WAC, beat last year’s BCS bowl participant and Big East winner Cincinnati last week, while Oklahoma barely squeezed by WAC bottom feeder Utah State at home. 4th or 5th best WAC team Hawai’i put up a ton of points on USC.
Again, this isn’t to argue that the WAC is amazing. Its just that – as evidenced by last weeks games – nobody could really sleepwalk through the WAC. Any really good team should go undefeated, as BSU should, but still.
Trademark it...
Oh, and whenever I drink ice water from now on, I intend to call it "Kellen More Juice."
if you don’t, Boise State will!
Sweet verbiage, though…I will now do the same thing (hopefully without being reminded that a Duck fan brought it to my attention!
Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.
What's this weird playoff thing??
Seriously, until all the other major sports define their champions with a playoff, I’m not about to buy into it.
I disagree that undefeated is always better than a team with one loss, and I totally agree with what Killtacular said. In an average year, I think it is harder to go through the best conferences with one loss than it is to go through the WAC undefeated. We can’t just add up the numbers and pick teams that way, because we are totally ignoring the surrounding circumstances at that point. I think the degree of difficulty would favor the team from the power conference. BSU can probably come out flat one Saturday and still be more likely to win than Alabama can. The odds of the opponent on that day (and every team has a bad game or two) being good enough to beat Alabama are probably better than it would be that BSU lost.
All that being said, that does not mean that anyone can BSU is not the better team in this hypothetical. All we are saying is that the other team from the major conference did something that was probably harder than what BSU did. The craziest part about all of this is that we can disagree on the finer points but still want the same solution, and yet we get fed this ridiculous reasoning for why it can’t happen.
Try not to hate me when I say this, but I think you guys going undefeated but getting edged out by a 1-loss team would be just what we all need. I think that would create a bunch of momentum for a new system. Boise State going undefeated and making it into the game over that 1-loss team would give the jerks who run the BCS an example of the “system working” and we’d all be in for another decade of this nonsense. So, when you lose your shot at a national title, just think of all the positive implications!
I think that Boise State going undefeated, regardless of the outcome, is going to really mess with the current system.
Undefeated and left out, there’s the complaint about what Boise State has to do after going undefeated for 3 regular seasons in a row.
Undefeated, and losing in the MNC game, there’s the question of whether we deserved it, and how maybe some other team should have been there instead.
Undefeated, and winning the MNC game, there’s the cry of a 2 or 3 game season.
The best way to handle it is the same as it always has been...
PLAYOFF.
Something tells me that it isn’t going to happen any time soon, so we live with the system we’ve got. Amazingly enough, we’ve got the rankings to back it up this time. I really believe that BSU will end up playing a 1 loss Ohio State in the postseason, it just depends on a lot of little things (like how everyone else in the top 25 finishes out) whether that would be in a Rose Bowl or a Game In Glendale Which Must Not Be Named.
"Or, if boarding the bus is just too difficult for an Establishmentarian to do, get your snob school to schedule the Broncos home-and-home. Any takers?" - Pat Forde
Mark May
is he eating his words yet?? yeah we have a run at the title game, yeah we are a freaging great time, but the best part of it all is we proved Mark May wrong. :) I am the only one excited about that?
by bsudayas on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I haven't seen the Merry Mouth of May yet-but no bsu you ARE NOT ALONE.
tvmunson
by tmunson on Sep 7, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he had any class he'd know what wine goes with crow but he doesnt'.
I’d recommend a petit sirah; fruity, balanced tannins, forward w/o presumption, it would balance the gaminess one finds with raw crow (bw)hole.
tvmunson
I'm sure that Mark May has completely reevaluated Boise State
Especially after Boise State more or less shut down VT’s powerful running backs and rushing for 168 against the Hokies.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
you give the man far too much credit
Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.
I'm sure that Mark May....
is sitting in an office somewhere, frantically trying to figure out how to spin what he has said for the last 8 months in to being anywhere close to right.
I want Lou Holtz to smack him in the mouth and remind him to respect the W column next time he opens his trap.
"Or, if boarding the bus is just too difficult for an Establishmentarian to do, get your snob school to schedule the Broncos home-and-home. Any takers?" - Pat Forde
I would pay
to see Lou Holtz smack Mark May in the mouth, and say, “Schhhhhut up, youngschhhhter”.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Sep 7, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D!
"Schhhhhut up, youngschhhhter"
using phonics…it sounds exactly like him!
Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.
Nah he'd say;
“What do you have againschhhht common scchhenssche Mark?!”
I'm always right. Your Welcome.
For all the Lou bashing we do.
I really like his quick wit. Best attribute of him on the show.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Eyes still wide
I have honestly never been so nervous during a game. I’m pretty sure any fingernails I have left are counting their blessings XD http://prosportsblogging.com/ncaa/making-a-statement-boise-style/
Disrespect MY teams, will ya??? We shall seeeeeee. . .
That was cool
but you should probably put stuff like that in fan shots, so it doesn’t get buried.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
The worst
was listening to skip bayless, { or maybe that was balless}, this morning. I thought he was going to blow an artery when he was telling the guy he was debating, that at least 6 of the SEC are better than boise. Made me want to get up and hit him. It really doesn’t matter who we beat, there will be no respect in the land of the SEC. I think we could beat every team there and it still wouldn’t matter.
I would get too upset
Those SEC guys probably think that the best Pac-10 team is worse than half the SEC. They don’t respect anybody, so I don’t pay too much attention to them.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
wouldn't get too upset /munson'd
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
by marktgarten on Sep 7, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine if Boise State would've "embarrassed" the Hokies...
like some rivals.com writer said they should’ve done to really prove that they’re worthy of title game consideration. Then VaTech likely would’ve been labeled ‘overrated’, kinda like Oregon last year, and dropped out of the polls. If VaTech would’ve beaten the Broncos by 3 TDs, then Boise would undoubtedly be labeled the same and probably worse. I think a closer win was really for the best.
Thoughts I thought....
Yeah, maybe you could make a case that BSU did steal a win as a team, but really, what happened is that Kellen and Austin DEMANDED one.
Notice a trend to Boise’s big games? Surprise the hell out of teams with an overwhelming flurry to begin the game, then try to hold on as all the four and five star recruits settle into their games.
I really like our defense. I think it will be even better than we think it will.
Tyrod Taylor is a beast. A running QB who is even fairly accurate is scary, and he was super scary.
Never lose faith. I might have thought we were done, but as long as we stayed within a single score, I wasn’t going to give up with time on the clock.
Never lose faith. I might have thought we were done, but as long as we stayed within a single score, I wasn’t going to give up with time on the clock.
I always revert back to January 1, 2007. My wife went to bed after Z’s pick-six. Friends left. I, of course wasn’t going to walk away with time left. I remember the next morning at work there were many that showed up gloomy over the outcome, because they ad collectively switched off their TV’s with a minute still left for the Broncos. Never lose faith.
I'm always right. Your Welcome.
Enough
If I hear one more analyst say that BSU would be .500 in a BCS conference, or BCS team A-Z would go undefeated with that schedule I’m going to lose it. The question is do those same BCS teams want to play in the WAC? Ummmm, no. Neither do the Broncos. Do those teams want BSU’s budget, alumni, resources? Ummmm no. Neither do the Broncos. So until those teams are willing to give it all up, and simply out work the competition day in day out, they can all SHUT THEIR PIEHOLES! Big ups to our boys in BLUE!!!
Playing in the WAC
Did you see who USC, Oklahoma and Alabama scheduled for their first game? I think they do want to play in the WAC.
Huh??
Alabama, for example, has a 3 week stretch of: @ # 17 Arkansas, # 8 Florida, and @ # 24 South Carolina.
A few weeks later they have to play a Saturday night game @ # 19 LSU.
They close out the season with a rivalry game against # 22 Auburn.
Oh, and by the way, if things break right for them, they’ll probably rematch a top 10 or 15 team again in the SEC Championship game.
Can you seriously fault them for playing San Jose State in Week 1? Heck, they even play Penn State.
After the build-up prior to the Tech game, I’m mad at myself for still being shocked at some of the comments the people of “Bronco Nation” say.
Think that was more of a joke than something to get mad at VT1996, chill out dude.
I thought the ACC hated the SEC anywyas?
Shake It Kid
Heres a thought
Its one I mentioned before, but whatever, its definitely what I was thinking watching the game last night: Kyle Brotzman needs to lose one of his three kicking jobs. He is just too inconsistent (or tired) when trying to do all three. He had some amazing kickoffs, and he had some pretty poor ones. He had some amazing punts, and he had some pretty poor ones. He had a good field goal, and he had a bad one. And he got an XP blocked.
Let him concentrate on two out of these three, and let one of the backups do the other one (which is which probably should depend on how good those backups actually are).
HAVE TO SAY
I’m getting looks from my better half so I haven’t been able to read these posts but I have to say that I really think Coach Pete took it easy on WAC teams in the past. He’s just too nice of a guy to try to make any team look ridiculous. However, I think the desire to prove his team is worthy of a National Championship game will change his mentallity this season. My early prediction, especially since we’ll be leaving the conference next season, is that the gloves will be off and Petersen will finally expose every WAC team’s flaw. Perfect example of him actually doing it is last year’s win over Idaho. Expect that against EVERY WAC team this year.
that would be nice
But it wouldn’t be Coach Pete! I’ll believe it when he does it. And I’d be stoked.
Made it look easy when it counted
I don’t think stealing a win ever entered my mind, it was more like “…Kellen Moore made it look easy when it counted….” Virginia Tech just couldn’t stop him when it counted. Also, Boise’s defense rose to the occasion when they needed to; that is the mark of a great team. I ma not sure that Tech is the best team on the Bronco’s schedule, maybe Oregon State. Tech is so overated year after year, they are no where near a great team. Out of 5 times, I think Boise would beat them 5 times. But Boise needs for Tech to win all of their games and that will be a very tall order against a very good Miami and UNC team. Also, Tech may have trouble with Georgia Tech, BC and NC State, a very improved team and maybe the dark horse of the ACC for 2010.
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