Boise State's pre-fall depth chart
Boise State Fall Camp begins on Friday, and the Broncos were kind enough to leak a summer depth chart to set the table for the start of camp. Now if only they would leak me a media pass, I'd be set.
After the jump, find out who stands where as Fall Camp kicks off, and debate whether or not you really believe the depth chart when it says things like "Avery over Martin" and "Taylor over Gavins." Plus, find out camp's toughest position battles and share your thoughts on who should be starting where.
Boise State offense |
Boise State defense |
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Z - 2 Austin Pettis 6-3 197 Sr. X - 1 Titus Young 5-11 168 Sr. H - 89 Tyler Shoemaker 6-1 217 Jr. LT - 75 Faraji Wright 6-3 295 So. LG - 73 Nate Potter 6-6 297 Jr. C -61 Joe Kellogg 6-2 304 So. RG - 59 Will Lawrence 6-2 300 Sr. RT - 64 Brenel Myers 6-2 266 So. TE - 85 Tommy Gallarda 6-5 254 Sr. QB - 11 Kellen Moore 6-0 186 Jr. RB - 27 Jeremy Avery 5-9 179 Sr. |
E - 98 Ryan Winterswyk 6-4 267 Sr.
96 Jarrell Root 6-3 259 Jr. T - 90 Billy Winn 6-4 290 Jr. N - 97 Chase Baker 6-1 300 Jr. SE - 92 Shea McClellin 6-3 258 Jr. MIKE- 52 Derrell Acrey 6-1 233 Sr. WILL- 36 Aaron Tevis 6-3 231 Jr. S 23 Jeron Johnson 5-11 195 Sr. S 8 George Iloka 6-3 207 Jr. N 17 Winston Venable 5-11 218 Sr. CB 21 Jamar Taylor 5-11 192 So. CB 13 Brandyn Thompson 5-10 180 Sr. |
Kickers |
Returners |
| PK - 35 Kyle Brotzman 5-10 196 Sr.
84 Jimmy Pavel 5-9 212 So.
P - 35 Kyle Brotzman 5-10 201 Sr. |
KR - 1 Titus Young 5-11 168 Sr. PR - 1 Titus Young 5-11 168 Sr. |
Disclaimer: Depth charts mean as much as you want them to mean, especially ones that are released surreptitiously through a WAC media guide. Still, it's fun to speculate ... with hyperbole! Jadon Dailey is wearing Joe Kellogg's skin!
How the Broncos came up with this depth chart, or How a BroncoSports.com intern spent his summer
The depth chart that you see above was culled from the belly of the WAC media guide where supposedly it was placed by someone in the know. How knowing? It's hard to tell. The chart is very similar in a lot of places to the ones that made the rounds every week last fall, but there are enough noticeable changes (updated offensive line positions, Kharyee Marshall, etc.) to make me think that it is authentic. So good job, Bronco intern. The OBNUG Internt will take you out for Sonic happy hour any time you please.
You may have been enraged by this: Jeremy Avery over Doug Martin
As per usual, Avery sits atop the running back depth chart, which will probably bum out a fair number of you. But look at it this way: At the end of the season, Avery was still RB1 and Doug Martin was still RB2. Neither back saw much time in the spring, so there really hasn't been anything that has happened between January and now to force BSU to shake up its depth chart. Except for the crushing inevitability that Doug Martin is The Man.
Drew and I will be exploring this topic in much more detail next week when we publish an email roundtable that got entirely out of hand. So get excited about that.
This new depth chart obviously did not watch Joe Southwick at the spring game
How else can you explain Mike Coughlin being the clear-cut No. 2 without any mention of Southwick? It's funny because spring performances factored into so many other positions on this depth chart that you would have totally thought Southwick would be at least an OR with Coughlin as QB2. Maybe Mike Coughlin was the one who put this depth chart together. That would explain some things.
Dan Paul, I'm sure the omission of the fullback position was just a mistake. Please don't hurt the intern. He's so fragile.
Dan Paul will be the team's starting fullback whether the depth chart acknowledges it or not. It's the depth chart's funeral.
Speaking of players I didn't see ...
There were more. Like these:
- Garrett Pendergast. Remember him? The team's starting tackle for most of last season? Pendergast went down with an injury in Fiesta Bowl practice, Brenel Myers filled in like a Tony Bosselli, and now Pendergast is not even on the team's two-deep. Injuries could be to blame, especially since Pendergast will not be full speed come Friday.
- Ebo Makinde. Everyone was talking about this redshirt corner in the spring, but apparently the depth chart wasn't around to hear any of that. Man, this depth chart is such a poser.
- Daron Mackey. Yes, he's injured, but yes, he was also a semi-starter last fall and really good.
Matt Slater is now a guard
For those of you keeping score at home.
Look out above (and probably below): Michael Atkinson climbs the depth chart ladder
This depth chart should be proof that when his ankle can support his massive girth without spraining itself, Michael Atkinson is a force to be reckoned with. After spending much of last season on the injured list or in the Jarvis Hodge playing time zone, Atkinson had an impressive Fiesta Bowl and now finds himself just a Billy Winn breather away from the field.
Oh and by the way, Jamar Taylor is ahead of Jerrell Gavins
Or, as Graham Watson would have put it, "Jamar Gavins is the leading candidate to replace Kyle Wilson, but don't count out Ebo Makinde or Orlando Scandrick just yet."
Give Joe Kellogg and inch and he'll take Thomas Byrd's starting spot
And so, apparently, he has. Kellogg is listed as the team's starting center despite the fact that Byrd has been the team's starting center in every single game Byrd has ever played. A spring injury kept Byrd on the sidelines and Kellogg took advantage with some seriously good practice and scrimmage performances. Plus, not once did Kellogg send a shotgun snap 90 degrees to his left.
Byrd may end up back on top by the time that Fall Camp concludes, but it looks like this will be one of the fall's bigger camp position battles.
Other Fall Camp position battles of note
There's Kellogg vs. Byrd, and then there's:
- Cornerback: Taylor vs. Gavins
- Backup QB: Southwick vs. Coughlin
- Running back: Avery vs. Martin vs. Harper vs. Kaiserman
- Left tackle: Wright vs. Leno
- Linebacker: Tevis vs. Percy
Those are the obvious ones, but how about this one: Iloka vs. Febis at safety. Thoughts?
There's this now: Kevan Lee's very unofficial depth chart
The Boise State pre-fall depth chart was good, but I think I can make it better. But really I am probably just going to make it much, much worse.
Asterisks mark the positions I changed.
Boise State offense |
Boise State defense |
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Z - 2 Austin Pettis 6-3 197 Sr. X - 1 Titus Young 5-11 168 Sr. H - 34 Kirby Moore 6-2 200 So.** LT - 75 Faraji Wright 6-3 295 So. LG - 73 Nate Potter 6-6 297 Jr. C -66 Thomas Byrd 5-11 279 Jr.** RG - 59 Will Lawrence 6-2 300 Sr. RT - 64 Brenel Myers 6-2 266 So. TE - 80 Kyle Efaw 6-4 242 Jr.** QB - 11 Kellen Moore 6-0 186 Jr. FB - 47 Dan Paul 6-0 220 So.** RB - 27 Jeremy Avery 5-9 179 Sr. |
E - 98 Ryan Winterswyk 6-4 267 Sr.
96 Jarrell Root 6-3 259 Jr. T - 90 Billy Winn 6-4 290 Jr. N - 97 Chase Baker 6-1 300 Jr. SE - 92 Shea McClellin 6-3 258 Jr. MIKE- 52 Derrell Acrey 6-1 233 Sr. WILL- 36 Aaron Tevis 6-3 231 Jr. S 23 Jeron Johnson 5-11 195 Sr. S 8 George Iloka 6-3 207 Jr. N 17 Winston Venable 5-11 218 Sr. CB 21 Jamar Taylor 5-11 192 So. CB 13 Brandyn Thompson 5-10 180 Sr. |
Kickers |
Returners |
| PK - 35 Kyle Brotzman 5-10 196 Sr.
84 Jimmy Pavel 5-9 212 So.
P - 35 Kyle Brotzman 5-10 201 Sr. LS - 44 Chris Roberson 6-0 226 So.** HD - 15 Joe Southwick 6-1 195 Fr.** |
KR - 1 Titus Young 5-11 168 Sr. PR - 1 Titus Young 5-11 168 Sr. |
Some notes about the changes I made:
- I swapped BurrPott for GeraldBurks for reasons that I'm sure all of you understand. I would not be at all surprised if Burroughs and Potter were second-string come opening day, but I would be a little wistful. I expect Hiwat and Burks to tear it up this fall.
- Kirby Moore over Tyler Shoemaker because I think it's sort of inevitable.
- I don't doubt that Joe Kellogg will make a great center, but he was a guard until six months ago. I have to think that Thomas Byrd still has the upper hand.
- I swapped Efaw and Gallarda, mostly to make munson happy.
- Dan Paul made my depth chart because I would fear for my life otherwise. And I went with Drew Wright over Chandler Koch at backup FB because Wright had a lot of good touches in the spring scrimmages.
- Tyrone Crawford is my choice at backup DE over Kharyee Marshall for now, but I would still expect Marshall to get in on certain pass rush situations. I just think Crawford is too good to leave out at that position. Wasn't that why Byron Hout was moved to linebacker?
- Aaron Tevis and J.C. Percy were co-starters on the initial depth chart, but it seems to me like Tevis has a slight lead on Percy based on his Fiesta Bowl performance and spring scrimmages.
- Jason Robinson is my backup nickel. It could have just as easily been Hunter White, Jonathan Brown, or even Jeremy Ioane. I just think Robinson's experience makes him the best choice for that spot (and I'll go with White to fill in for Robinson while he serves his suspension).
Your turn
You've seen Boise State's depth chart and you've smiled politely at mine. Now let me know yours. What players would you have in different spots? Would you shuffle the starting lineup at any position? What are the best fall camp battles to watch? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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Is anyone going to argue
with a depth chart orchestrated by coach pete? I certainly would not. Why mess with perfection?
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
I find it intriguing....
I find it intriguing that Joe Kellog is listed ahead of Thomas Byrd. Could this simply be due to the fact that Byrd missed the spring, or do you think it is a possibility that Kellog gets the starting nod come game day?
I also find it very interesting that Kyle Brotzman weighs more as a punter than he does as a place kicker… haha
by BleedBlueForever on Aug 4, 2010 9:07 AM PDT reply actions
Bingo.
I think the Spring depth chart took into account who was playing with the “1s” at the end of camp. Those who were injured were obviously shuffled to the back. That said, I don’t think T-Byrd’s spot is safe…not even a little bit.
Not at all.
As a punter, you hold the ball. As a place kicker, you don’t … Why are they playing with 5 lb balls?
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
I think there will be competition at C, but I'd bet on Byrd. Lot of starts last year; can't remember when a starting C got beat to #2.
Mistakes were maded but got cleared up IMO.
tvmunson
Where is Doug Harper on the depth chart
Also since the Southwick vs. Coughlin on who gets #2 duties battle is raging on I say Im going to be play Solomon and split the baby in half. Both should play mop up. Alternating on each possession of the ball.
Didn't you hear?
Doug Harper completely tore his ACL in Spring Camp. He’s expected to miss 5 days.
by Drew Roberts on Aug 4, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it was Ian Jeremy with a Hip Flexor Strain. He's expected to miss a light year.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
Guys, guys...this is getting out of hand.
Malcolm Kaiserman is getting upset.
by Drew Roberts on Aug 4, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
for pricelessness
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
I heard he made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs...
by Rand McNalley on Aug 5, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I nominate Coughlin..
..gets to play Fresno State for the first opening possession on The Blue. —Because that always works so well.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
Kyle Brotzman Gains Weight When He Punts! Cool.
As a punter he weighs 201. Kicking off, 196.
I think the RB’s should also be able to gain or lose weight, depending on the play call.
Probably a NCAA violation….
And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!
It's from the throwing arm that he wears when he punts
You never know when he is going to need it!
- He once punched a magician... that's right, you heard me!
by OBNUG Intern on Aug 4, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The back up WR option
Initially I get very psyched to think about the new WRs and what an incredible arsenal Kellen could have to throw to this year; (coach Pete called them Bambi so maybe they aren’t ready) but then I have seen some plays where Potter has done just a phenomenal job of blocking and springing Avery for a big gain and I realize that to have such a great offense you can’t be a one dimensional player in this system. Maybe Mitch and Chris do the other things better than those other ponies in the stable. (Mitch and Chris don’t put up as good of numbers in the program; and they haven’t shown to be the next Peretta yet.) I have to assume that the depth chart is perfect- but in a state of flux for fall camp.
That's an excellent point
Potter is a great blocker, and it’s entirely possible that GeraldBurks is not as multi-dimensional as BurrPott. You can kind of liken it to Tommy Gallarda being ahead of Kyle Efaw all last season. Gallarda’s blocking skills were more in line with what Boise State needed from that position to start games, so he got the nod. TG is not necessarily a better player than KE, but that’s how it went. Maybe we are seeing the same at the backup WR spot.
You and your perspective. Always keeping things rational.
"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars
The Position of TE
I always enjoy reading OBNUG and one position that always seems controversial to OBNUG is the TE with Gallarda and Efaw. I have followed TEs over the years and IMHO this year’s group is the best group in history at Boise State. I have noted that OBNUG always tends to argue with the coachess on the depth chart with Gallarda being in the 1st position. Efaw has more catches over the last two seasons but that’s because he has been too light and lacking in blocking skills. Gallarda has had to carry the torch in the blocking assignments as he has been the only TE with the ability to run block and pass block. In the Fiesta Bowl he handled Hughes the entire game. Most fans remember him in blocking but forget he led the TEs with 4 TDs last year. Hopefully with Efaw putting on some weight and improving his blocking skills defensive coordinators will have a more difficult time when both of them are in the game together. The main point is the TE has to be able to block to be a TE and Efaw has had difficulty getting the weight on. Both have great hands….
by Boiseengineer on Aug 4, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Great analysis. Would you say that Gallarda was more responsible for keeping Hughes contained than Brenel Myers? Didn’t hear much about Gallarda after the game.
"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars
The Position of TE
Yes, and it doesn’t take someone who has played to note it. If one reviews the game you will notice there were packages where Gallarda must have had the green light from Strausser and Harsin to not run a route and stay to pick up Hughes. Myers did a great job – for a a player who had to start due to injuries, but Gallarda picked up Hughes in passing situations more times than normal. Part of that was probably due to Myers inexperience. Gallarda seems to pretty quiet. I noted not much said too. I do believe as Strausser said two seasons ago that he is the ideal TE frame. He has NFL size and speed. By the way Efaw if he can get to the 245+ weight will do more amazing things too this season…. Lastly – I didn’t think Efaw should have received the MVP at the Fiesta Bowl – I thought Brotzman should have….. The TEs are trained to catch footballs and the Kicker isn’t trained to make that kind of pass with a defensive player bearing down on him…..
by Boiseengineer on Aug 4, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
In my zen-like equanimity, I see no conflict.
For well over a decade now Broncos have used a variety of TE-FB packages. Indeed the previous iteration had 3 TEs shifting en masse to totally overload one side. As my GAZETTA noted, the TE position is partciularly suited to the Bronco philosophy, where hard work, fundamentals, execution and above all FBI are more critical than innate physical talent (although Broncos have plenty of that). Efaw/Gallarda? No conflict. Allow Prof. Munson to explicate, using the TCU game (which I own and have dissected). Efaw gets many solid blocks in that one, particularly on the edge on some runs. I predicted before game he’d be POG-he was. However, Gallarda had many blocks, including but not limited to his inimitably timed ones on the aformentioned redoubtable Hughes. But it was his 14 yard grab to the TCU zilch yard line that set up Martin’s helicopter.
tvmunson
Zen-like reply...
TM…
agree and if anyone questions Gallarda’s hands, the TCU 14 yard catch was not easy… the ball was thrown behind him… I am hoping Efaw comes in north of 245 pounds this Fall. Having him and Gallarda and possible Koch or Paul in on a package with Young and Pettis is the perfect storm…. and DC nightmare…. I personally thought the first of 2 TDs in the Tulsa game was his finest – the one in the corner of the endzone…. I first thought it was Pettis…. High catch and both feet in….
by Boiseengineer on Aug 4, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I am firmly in the Potter camp...maybe a hybrid of PottBurks.
Good points…It is possible that Potter and Burroughs are displaying more of the intangibles that is needed from the H receiver. Potter in particular appears to be every bit as athletic as Burks and Hiwat, and while undersized in comparison, I think he has much better hands – which is also why he is returning punts. Hiwat in particular showed to be very suspect in the hands department. Burks and Hiwat showed they could stretch the field, but there are other things needed from the receiving corps, especially this year with Titus and Pettis still in the stable.
The coaches and Moore showed their confidence in Potter, throwing to him at crucial points during the Fiesta Bowl when Pettis was limited in action.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
Coughlin
My guess he’s listed at #2 because he’s a senior and he will get most of the garbage time. If (heaven forbid) something were to happen to Kellen that caused him to miss an extended period of time I’d bet Southwick would be “the guy.”
by zatoichi on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Running Backs?
(This is somewhat a repost) With all the depth at this position it’s a difficult topic to debate…who should get the primary spot??? Each of the big 3 have their own specialty, but I honestly think Martin is the winner because of his overall abilities….speed, quickness, strength and aggressiveness. The one thing that Martin has above the others is his instinct to attack the hole and run people over (can’t teach that). I’ve met Avery and think he’s a great kid with a lot of talent, but I feel his running style mirrors Ian Johnson’s when he was here. Like Johnson, Avery likes to hide behind lineman and let a whole develop before turning on the burners. This o-line isn’t the same that Ian ran behind and therefore that style of running won’t garner the same stats. He’ll get 3+ yds a carry with the occasional 15 yd scamper, but D Martin doesn’t hesitate, plows through the line, initiates contact and rips off 8+ yds on average when given 10+ carries a game. He did however struggle against TCU and mighty UC Davis (yeah that was a strange game all around). I think Martin could be a freak of a running back if they would give him the starting role with 15+ carries a game. I wonder why coaches have stuck with Avery when both Harper and Martin have had more success judging by their stats?! I’d clearly go with a 2 back system with DM as the starter and have Harper spell him with Avery being the 3rd back (sorry Avery). Although Harper was having an amazing season before his injury, so it’s hard to say if he shouldn’t get a shot at the starting spot as well. Anyone else feel the same?
Amazing athlete!
it’s all true DJ has worked his tail off and is driven to prove if he did not have that knee injury last year he was on pace for 1500/1600 hundred yards. I really don’t believe anyone will run better than he this season. I know for fact he is entering fall camp this week at 210 lbs, faster. stronger, and more explosive. The trainers say if you didn’t know he had a knee injury, you would not know it by looking at him now say he looks like DJ of old just bigger and faster.
Agree that before the injury DJ was our best back.
He made some great runs against Oregon and Fresno State. You sound like you have an inside track on DJ info, newbirth. You guys aren’t roommates, are you?
Gavins for Taylor!!??
I can’t imagine NOT starting Gavins. Although, this tells us how good Taylor really is.
*Perfection is our goal, excellence will be tolerated*
I like it
I am excited to see a good mix of Harper/Avery/Martin. And I want to see Potter as a backup. That kid is tough as nails. For a little guy, he blocks like a big man.
Am I the only one on team Coughlin? I know Joe is a better player, but if KM goes down(god forbid) I want someone who has some experience.
R.I.P. John Wooden, Wizard of Westwood
Done
I really should not have put that. KM is invincible, he can not get injured, we don’t even need a back-up QB because Kellen will always be there
R.I.P. John Wooden, Wizard of Westwood
Iloka vs. Tebis?
Tebis will be a great player for BSU but I have to say that Iloka was the most underated guy on our D last year. His perfomance in the F Bowl was phenominal. TMun, you disected the game, so please tell me that I am not the only one to notice #8 in on almost every tackle. I was watching that game with an ex-BSU wide receiver (hoping this gives my opinion more street cred) and he was saying the same thing.
I voted for the “not having Burroughs and Potter as back up WR” because although they may be great blockers (and they should continue to be called on for plays that call for their blocks) I don’t see them having the potential to make oponents DBs hate life. Avery should be number 3 but that’s less important than the WR issue IMO as our RBs are rotated so often that it’s hard to know who’s starting…unless you read OBNUG’s website.
Glad to see Atkinson on the depth chart..
…Because that fact he’s missing on NCAA11 really get’s me [bw]’d
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

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