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great. more dumb stuff. but, really, it doesn't have a whole lot to do with the First Amendment issue. It isn't government telling what KTVB could or could not release. just the timing and whether or not to do it live. i support BSU in this, but the way it was executed was VERY poor.

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Also, on KTIK, Caves and Murphy talked about it.

Caves said that once it was no longer live, stations can rebroadcast, edit, etc, as needed. but that the sticking point was that it was live.

wow. this certainly isn’t BSU’s (administration-wise) year.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 26, 2010 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

This is Not a BSU Issue...at least directly anyway

Learfield Sports holds the “broadcast rights” to all athletics related events (games, press conferences, special broadcasts) at BSU. They get to decide what can and cannot be broadcast live by entities (KTVB, KTIK, blahblahblah) outside of BroncoSports Properties. Everyone knew this and played by the rules…except for the arrogant doorknobs over on Fairview. What’s worse is that they sent Baby Faced Larrondo to scream “First Amendment” when their “live shot” was icksnayed by BSU/Learfield.

DUMB, with a capital DUMB, move by KTVB.

This is how things work at major college programs across the country.

Good Night. Game Over. Drive Home Safely.

by MiketheTransplant on Aug 26, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I, apparently, have a lot to say about this:

Just as Coach Pete’s news conference was getting started our Ryan Larrondo tried to get live shot reinstated based on our First Amendment right.

that is very pointed writing right there too.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 26, 2010 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Ryan Larrondo is a Vandal...

But I don’t think he went to their law school.

by Drew Roberts on Aug 26, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

trust me: i'm all about ridiculing a Vandal alum.

but i think he was just in the moment and misguided.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 26, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

I think he was KTIK’s puppet. They knew they weren’t supposed to broadcast it live, but they wanted to protest it. Not with one of their established “talents”, but by throwing the new guy under the bus. Though if you’re going to throw somebody under a bus, who better than a Vandal?!

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by D_Summit on Aug 26, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

munson'd

I meant to say “KTVB’s puppet”.

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by D_Summit on Aug 27, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

and just so you know:

i wasn’t busting chops or being nitpicky. i was taking your word for it.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 27, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something important to note here....

During the protest, Ryan said “Freedom of Speech.” While still a part of the 1st Amendment argument, his speech was not being impeded in any way. I think what he was trying to invoke is the freedom of the press. However that’s a very hard argument to prove considering we’re all allowed to use the material in whatever way we see fit. I understand Ryan was in a tough spot. He was merely carrying out the directives of his bosses. But we were all told very clearly on multiple occassions that what KTVB was atempting to do is a strict “no-no.”

Let me put it this way. Learfield owns the rights to all BSU sports related broadcast content. They provide the live feed to www.broncosports.com. No other media outlet is allowed to infringe upon that broadcast. So look at this example. Learfield has an agreement with KTVB they are the exclusive broadcaster of the games Learfield has the rights to. That means my station may not set up our own broadcast of the games ourselves. It’s the rules we all play be, and apparently they don’t feel those rules should apply to them.

Ballsy, but not a very prudent play.

by FOX12Nate on Aug 27, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heya, Nate!

Give a shout out to my old neighbor, Dean Davis.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

really cool that you're posting here.

though i do have my reservations about the dissemination of bsu’s information, it is what it is a i guess.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 28, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

woah lame.

my last post cut off half of what i wrote.

i was just lamenting the expressions we use when we’re disappointed:

“it is what it is”, “guess i’m going to have to”, “BSU has to play UI”.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 28, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, Learfield chose KTVB.

you guys going to make a big push to get them when the contract is up?

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by Grindhouse on Aug 28, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this whole scenario is interesting.

We already made a big push the last time around. From what I understand it was Boise State that preferred KTVB, and let Learfield know. But it’s not surprising. They’ve had a long standing relationship, and it’s hard to go a new direction when you’re comfortable with the one you already have in place. I mean, take for instance Bob Kustra’s appearing on KTVB over the weekend and discussing the “inebriated” and “nasty” comments. I asked repeatedly for an opportunity to speak with the BSU president about it, and was told every time that he wasn’t discussing the matter any further. Access is paramount in this business, and when your denied it things get more complicated. I digressed a bit, but I wouldn’t expect to see Boise State in conjunction with Learfield look to change their broadcasting partnership when they’re plenty comfortable with the one they already have.

by FOX12Nate on Aug 30, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to the Idaho Statesman...

Boise State sent a memo to the media saying they will not allow live broadcast this year. So this is KTVB’s fault and they better back off or next time Boise State need to sign a local media contract, they might feel that they should go with someone else.

I am the BSU Guru. I know everything and anything about BSU, just ask me. Although I may need a minute…and an internet connection.

by BSU Guru on Aug 26, 2010 8:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Unprecedented?

When Lane Kiffin announced his move to USC there was a big issue about news stations who wanted to televise it live but Tennessee wouldn’t let them. I saw the footage after the fact and the university wouldn’t allow it. It was actually a pretty heated situation.

I think news stations have only their interests and numbers in mind and use the first amendment right as an excuse to get around the university.

I’m no lawyer, but if I want to say something and you want to hear it then I would think you are on my terms.

Boi Blue

by BoiBlue on Aug 26, 2010 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree...

The First Amendment only applies to what people say and censorship of what they say (or in this case reports report on) by the governement. It has nothing to do with broadcast rights.

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by MiketheTransplant on Aug 26, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

so do we feel bad that larrondo (sp?) had to be the face of this?

apparently he was on the phone with his boss.

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by Grindhouse on Aug 26, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

It seems that BSU had put the message out that there would be no live feeds well in advance. If he promised his boss a live feed then it’s on him.

Boi Blue

by BoiBlue on Aug 26, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not at all...

Although I sure do think that he sounded a little bit uncomfortable taking his stand. Guess that’s what happens when you’re the new guy.

I just don’t think KTVB sports can get any worse for me right now. Call me sexist, but we have to tolerate all of those women commentators who are only there because they’re nice to look at (by the way, I still don’t believe you boys are THAT shallow). Why the heck can’t us girl sports fans have some eye candy too? Name me one hot male sportscaster! Can’t do it, can you? OK – Aikman still does it for me, but name me one EVERY DAY guy.

OBNUG Resident Mom and Bronco Nation Podcast Field Reporter.

by Crissie on Aug 26, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup... Hurt...

Haha, I can take it… I’m not offended Crissie!

by FOX12Nate on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

you asked for it

Let the Media's excuse begin...again: "It was Boise State's first game of the year!" whilst completely ignoring that it was VaTech's first game, as well.

by TheShrewdOne on Aug 26, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT GOOSE!!!!!!!

uuuugggggghhhhhhh

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the Lane Kiffin presser fiasco if you're interested.

Whee!

It’s a slightly different situation than yours, but fun nonetheless. That was a brutal night to be in Knoxville.

The players are: Bud Ford is the guy in the sweater who obsessively taps the paper to the desk. He’s the UT media director.

I forget the name of the balding guy standing next to him, but he’s from the TV station that had a problem with the arrangement.

Chris Low of ESPN is the big guy who sits down in front of Bud Ford. He works the SEC beat for ESPN.

The blonde with the lazer voice who flips out in the second half is Heather Harrington – one of the local radio morning crew jockeys.

And the cameraman who was savvy enough to record the fight was an absolute saint. Great times.

by David Hooper on Aug 27, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny stuff.

They wanted a public execution on video. Good for ratings.

by Boise State of Mind on Aug 28, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

David Augusto?

I once saw him doing pushups on the floor at the EndZone in the middle of a group of ladies. We were dying. I would never touch the floor at the EndZone. Everybody was very impressed.

Boi Blue

by BoiBlue on Aug 26, 2010 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry Crissie

That was in response to your comment.

Boi Blue

by BoiBlue on Aug 26, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I normally like KTVB

But I don’t like this stunt at all. If you’re wanting to benefit off of the coattails of the BSU football team, then you ought not challenge them on their right to control their own press conferences. I say pull their press pass. Then they can cry all they want about first amendment. All the other local stations don’t have a problem complying with the groundrules for the pressers. BSU doesn’t want any more attention like this so I’m pretty sure this will blow over. Unless KTVB wants to continue to push it, then game on. Don’t mess with Kustra!

by Boise State of Mind on Aug 26, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Clearly a planned stunt...

The e-mail regarding live broadcasts was sent three weeks ago. KTVB probably thought they had a legal right to air a press conference (and they might) and sent the new guy as their lackey. Listen to the uncut version. He is obviously nervous, but he has a few canned responses ready when they tell him to shut it down.
KTVB better be careful or they will be shut out or only given limited access going forward.

The best part of the whole thing was watching the responses from the other news guys on their twitter accounts. Not a lot of respect for KTVB among their peers.

"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."

by MKingery on Aug 27, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

That Larrondo kid always sounds nervous

But I completely agree it was a stunt. I haven’t been high on KTVB lately and this whole thing sure doesn’t help.

"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen

by JRig on Aug 27, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

That Larrondo is one broadcast away from that poor Ball State reporter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W45DRy7M1no

He and that Wolken character are unwatchable.

Obviously you're not a golfer...

by ty_ol on Aug 27, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

His eyebrow and shoulder situation concern me. He seems to lack control of both.

by Broncochick on Aug 27, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boom goes the dynamite!

"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen

by JRig on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am glad I am not the only one that noticed the shoulder thing...

I can’t listen to what he is saying because I am so transfixed on his shoulder sway. I can’t figure it out. No quite a shimmy, not really a weeble wobble, but just a constants sway like he is secretly listening to a Otis Redding album.

"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."

by MKingery on Aug 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

For me it's his left eye

It’s just strange. His left eyelid is slightly more closed than the other and it blinks more often. And I don’t know, it looks funny. I’m not gonna lie, it creeps me out a little.

"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen

by JRig on Aug 27, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

How convenient that KTVB “just happened” to have legal people in their newsroom to comment right after they pushed the envelope.

Ah, Perry the platypus, as usual your timing is uncanny. And by uncanny, of course I mean... completely canny!

by flyfishferg on Aug 27, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not very sneaky

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by JRig on Aug 27, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I say pull their press pass.

Then maybe they can give that pass to OBNUG!

by forum8usa on Aug 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll allow it.

"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars

by Kevan Lee on Aug 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Johnson

isn’t eye candy for the ladies?? He’d be crushed to know this.

by kcam on Aug 27, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Not so much....

and the DUI thing is hard for me to get past.

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

He fessed up on air.

by kcam on Aug 27, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes sir...

And I generally don’t have a problem with people making a mistake and fessing up to it, but this one really rubbed me wrong. To make a mistake that affects you and your family is none of my business, but when it has the potential to affect me and my family, the momma bear in me comes out.

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

How does this transgression which involved only MJ and the police potentially affect your family?

by kcam on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Understood and granted re: "potentially"

But MJ’s transgression did not involve any other parties for which he—and everone else—is presumably grateful.

Disclaimer: I know MJ personally.

by kcam on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude

I enjoy driving down the road with my children on occasion. I have no problem with adults enjoying themselves responsibly, but be an adult and make the call for a cab if you find yourself drinking and responsible to get yourself home. How dare you get behind the wheel of a car, where you could potentially kill someone. For the record, I feel the same way about people texting and driving down the road. If YOU want to be an idiot (you in general, not personally kcam), go right ahead and do so, but don’t you dare endanger my family.

I’m not sure why the MJ thing rubbed me so wrong – it just did. I’m sure that he’s remorseful and heavens knows I’ve made my fair share of mistakes, I just take a hard line on someone who is obviously intelligent, articulate and with means driving under the influence. Same goes for the governor, as a matter of fact. Tried and true republican, but I leave the governor box unchecked on my ballot.

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dudette

I, in no uncertain terms, do not condone driving under the influence. I, again in no uncertain terms, am not excusing MJ’s actions. And I share your concern about the potential horrors a drunk driver can wreak.

I was simply musing why you took MJ’s violation of the law personally.

by kcam on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m not really sure, to be honest with you… I felt the same way about Otter too. It just really strikes a cord with me. I’m not typically a person who holds any type of grudge, but that left a bad taste in my mouth.

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should all take it personally at all times. It’s pure luck when a drunk driver makes it home without hurting him/herself or someone else.

by FreshStart on Aug 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Prof. Munson here.

Broadcast rights, and the restrictions and limitations appurtenant thereto, are more in the realm of copyright law than 1st Amendment subject to regulation as to “public” airways.Boise State owns the content of its own press conferences. Once it allows KTVB to broadcast the conference, KTVB owns the broadcast rights to its production (you’ll see the disclaimer/notice at the end of KTVB’s show). Property law generally is introduced to the initiate law student under the time-honored analogy of a “bundle of sticks” i e “ownership” of a property as used in the common parlance means one has all the “sticks” and can apportion them as one chooses. In the instant case Boise State could sell the right to “live” coverage to XYZ Corp; in fact, movies are doen in precisely this way. The “first run” rights are sold to exhibitors (theater chains like Odeon); next in line are the “pay per view” tv channels, then premium cable on down to the networks. If Boise State wants to give its “stick” (live broadcast) away, it can. If not, tough. No 1st Amendment implication either case. Our online class is adjourned.

tvmunson

by tmunson on Aug 27, 2010 10:00 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Munson

that was pretty good stuff…

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by Crissie on Aug 27, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I sure munson’d my header, though.

by kcam on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank God (or Kevan and Drew) for OBNUG because the comments in this blog are more entertaining than the stories themselves.

Ah, Perry the platypus, as usual your timing is uncanny. And by uncanny, of course I mean... completely canny!

by flyfishferg on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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