Is Boise State's defensive line better against the run or the pass? [Season Preview]
Picking your poison against Boise State's defensive line is very much like picking between actual poisons. Either way you go, you're going to be messed up. But is one poison more damaging than the other?
After the jump, Drew and I take a look at whether Boise State's dominant defensive line does better defending the run or the pass, and then we open it up to you for your take on the topic. Which one does the D-line do better? Let's discuss.
In case you haven't heard, Boise State is going to win a national championship this year. OBNUG's season previews are here to explain why. Today's topic: Defensive Line.
Boise State's defensive line roster
Starter time
- DE Ryan Winterswyk
- DE Shea McClellin
- DT Billy Winn
- DT Chase Baker
- DE Jarrell Root
- DE Kharyee Marshall
- DE Tyrone Crawford
- DT Michael Atkinson
- DT J.P. Nisby
- DT Greg Grimes
- DT Darren Koontz
Garbage time
- DT Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe
- DE Nick Alexander
- DT Justin Jungblut
- DT Matt Paradis
Some other time
- DE Tyler Horn
Roundtable: Is Boise State's defensive line better against the run or the pass?
You can't go wrong picking either, which is a good thing for me because I tend to go wrong when picking things. Drew and I differ on the right answer to this question: Drew with some brainy points on football analysis, me with some hackneyed theories that make sense only to me. So without further adieu, let the debate begin.
Kevan starts things off:
We might as well be debating whether Justin Timberlake is a better musical artist or Saturday Night Live guest. I mean, can you really go wrong with "Cry Me a River" or Omeletteville? No.
The Boise State defensive line is a similar toss-up. I'm sure if I were Nathan Enderle, and don't get me wrong I most certainly don't ever want to be Nathan Enderle, I couldn't care less where Boise State's defensive line was tougher because both end with me in tears. Let's make the obvious clear from the start: Boise State's defensive line is great against the pass and great against the run. And Nathan Enderle is overrated.
Now just because both are great doesn't mean that one can't be greater. And here is my probably incorrect assessment of which one that would be. I'm picking run defense to be the D-line's strength. Here's a rabbit trail of logic to explain why.
Boise State had 25 sacks last season, good for 56th in the country. Does that number seem low to anyone else? Compound that with the fact that Boise State employed exotic defenses fairly regularly last year that involved random blitzing and crazy formations. The 3-3-5 alone could have been credited for half that 25-sack chaos.
It's enough to make you wonder if the Boise State coaches don't trust the defensive line to get quarterback pressure with just a four-man rush. True, I understand that pressure is not the same as sacks and that BSU's four-man front is as good as any other four-man front that you can find. But is it possible that maybe, just maybe, getting to the quarterback is not their forte?
Drew's response:
I have to say that the D-line is better against the pass because I never saw any teams tee-off on us through the air in 2009, but unfortunately did see at least one team (the Fu Manchu's squad) eat our breakfast, lunch, and dinner on the ground. We also allowed 100+ yard games to Idaho, Nevada, and New Mexico State. I know that the Broncos pride themselves on stopping the run first, but statistics show that in four of the Broncos' 10 games, they allowed rushers to at least get the the second level.

Don't get me wrong, the D-line is solid, but they are literally the first line of defense (possibly why they're called the 'defensive line') and even if the LBs or DBs miss their tackles, it generally means the D-line missed it first.
Although the Bronco sack totals in 2009 weren't anything to write home about, the D-line was able to get consistent pressure with McClellin, Swyk, Winn, and Baker and forced the QBs to make rash decisions...allowing our defensive backs to nab the 2nd most interceptions in the country.
I do think we'll see a more aggressive D-line in 2010 with Kwiatkowski calling the shots. This should lead to more sacks, but also may lead to some overpursuit. If our LBs and DBs stay home, we'll be fine, but I am a little concerned that against certain opponents (Virginia Tech), we'll allow rushers to get into open space since we've brought the house, as it were, to get after the QB.
Our D-line depth and talent is better than it's ever been, but I'm just a little shell-shocked knowing that such a great D-line is capable of making Ryan Matthews look like Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson. VT's backs are formidable...the D-line needs to have their priority on the run in 2010 right out of the gate. The scrimmages showed that, thankfully.

Kevan's response:
I sense we are treading into philosophical discussion territory, and me without my English-to-Dustin-Lapray dictionary!
I would take a different road when it comes to placing blame on Boise State's occasional running game mercies last season. The way I was raised (in a Kansas City Chiefs home where Neil Smith was god), the defensive line wasn't responsible for bringing runners down. They were responsible for eating blockers and letting the linebackers make plays. Am I blaming bad outings on last year's linebacker corps? It sounds that way. But I also think that playing a 4-2-5 has a little to do with it, considering that there are times when only six men are in the box.
Drew's response:
Hey, I understand that the linebackers are responsible for making the lion's share of tackles (although re-reading my opening argument might not corroborate that), but I do think the D-line has to plug those holes and funnel the runners into the waiting arms of Winston Venable. I thought the D-line was great last year and I think they'll be greater in 2010, but if we're talking about any perceived (relative) weakness? Stats dictate that I have to say they were weaker against the run...if only for the fact that it seems a whole lot easier to measure.
I just don't think that lack o' sacks is as direct a correlation to D-line strength/weakness as poor run defense. In 5/7ths of the 2009 season, the Bronco D-line at least helped to maintain the illusion of a sound run-defense...the pass D was good all year. Yeah, I'll give credit to the DBs for that as well, but I think the D-line made many a QB wet himself, and it's awfully hard to do your checkdowns with soiled trousers.
Kevan's response:
Soiled trousers are the worst. Or so I've been told.
I see your point about quasi-good run defense being the best indicator of D-line weakness, but I can't help coming back to this one thought - kind of like a can of brain Pringles. If the defensive line is so good at getting to the quarterback, then why blitz? Ever?
If you took blitzing frequency to be a tell of Justin Wilcox's confidence in the front four pass rush, then Wilcox was downright a nervous Tim-Conway-in-Apple-Dumpling-Gang of a man. The Broncos blitzed a lot, and with great success mind me. If I knew why they did so - mistrust of the defensive line or aggressive scheme or a sadistic joy in seeing Ryan Colburn run for his life - I would feel more comfortable choosing sides.
Drew's response:
I'll admit you went way over my head with your blitzing theorem. The D-line is going to be amazing this year as long as our boys stay healthy, and with Tyrone Crawford added to the stable, I like our chances of sadistically forcing Ryan Colburn to run for his life (I like to imagine Yakety Sax playing in the background).
At least we've reached an accord on this: The Apple Dumpling Gang was Conway's finest work outside of Dorf on Golf (in France it's known as Augusto sur Golf).
Other questions plaguing Boise State's defensive line
- Is Ryan Winterswyk healthy?
- How will the defensive line change with Pete Kwiatkowski at defensive coordinator?
- What kind of exotic defensive fronts will the Broncos use?
- How effective will Kharyee Marshall be?
- Over/under on Tyrone Crawford sacks?
- Will the Broncos have four defensive lineman on the All-WAC team?
- What Bronco lineman can Boise State least afford to do without?
- Is the Bronco defensive line the strongest unit on the Boise State team?
Boise State's defensive line, on a scale of Paul J. Schneiders
With five Paul J. Schneiders being good, and one Paul J. Schneider being a powderpuff team





Your turn
Do you see the Broncos' D-line as better run stuffers or pass pressurers? Which defensive lineman is most important to the success of Boise State's D? Any theories on how this unit may perform in 2010? Share your thoughts in the comments.
Previously on Boise State football 2010 previews:
- Q: Who will be Boise State's starting running back? A: Pass.
- Q: Can Kellen Moore improve on his 2009 season? A: Statistically? Eh. On the field? You bet.
- Q: Can the Boise State offense survive without Austin Pettis or Titus Young? A: Have you seen the WAC lately?
- Q: Does the Boise State football team have anything left to prove? A: Sadly, yes.
- Q: Who is Boise State's most important offensive lineman? A: Thomas Byrd. Maybe. Unless it isn't.
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Is Boise State’s defensive line better against the run or the pass?
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Making sense of it all takes a whole lot a concentration
by plainview88 on Aug 25, 2010 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Over/under
Over 8 sacks for Crawford. When Crawford and Marshall are on the field at the same time (i hope this dream comes true) we could call it the “Brown Package” in reference to Drew’s soiled trouser analogy.
"Tomorrow is the big day' so get your rest. No late parties, drinking tequila, or trying to get lucky." Dewey
by letthebeatingsbegin2011 on Aug 25, 2010 8:15 AM PDT reply actions
What can Brown do for you?
To the right...my future brothers-in-law working hard on one of the trifecta of a Black & Gold birthright..."inebriation", yet before they acquired "nastiness" or "vandal-phrenia"
Which does not belong?
A.Second team in CFB history to go 14-0
B. 13:1 td/int ratio
C. Preseason backup safety rushed for more touchdowns than the Heisman winner
D. Surrendered five sacks
E. Averaged less than two sacks per game
Ding Ding! You’re right, it’s E!
The 2009 season gave us some special stats, yet there was one that definitely doesn’t meet the standard of the others. Less than two sacks a game? Seriously? Crawford will get more than that in his first set of downs.
I have a dream that my team will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their turf but by the content of their talent.
It is a head-scratcher.
Especially with Billy Winn, Winterswyk, McClellin, etc.
I think Marshall and Crawford will prove a lot to handle this year and I think we’ll see a lot of blitzing under Coach K. I’d be very surprised if our sack totals didn’t go up dramatically this season.
by Drew Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you burn the Fresno tape IMO.
The 3 back-breaking/statistic inflating Matthews runs were due to very poor tackling/positioning. On at tleast one, and possibly 2, Ryan was caught and got away. Fresno was rushing, I’m not denying that. But not as well as stats say. Nevada-the big play they broke it clearly shows on stop/tape that Bacon is literally pulled out of the way by 2 guys. Am I making excuses? Well, if I am you have a hard time explaining the "book end’ games-Oregon and TCU- both good rushing teams as I recall.
tvmunson
Tyler Horn
According to his family, he will be grayshirting. Might not see him until 2012.
Obviously you're not a golfer...
The guy that would be the worst to lose would be
Big Bad Billy. His size and play require a lot of attention from the o-line that allows our other D line men look good.
by 4EverBleedBlue on Aug 25, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
We're still talking about the WAC right?
It’s easy to be poisonous when you’re playing those teams. It’s enjoyable to see how you guys think you have so much talent.
Thank you for your factual breakdown.
It is also enjoyable to see that several VT fans find this site more attractive than their own. Please thank everybody at VT for allowing us to see Darren Evans, Ryan Williams, and Tyrod in person. Too excited to sleep!
Obviously you're not a golfer...
It's cute how your obvious your ignorance is
I love it how no one knows the depth of this team. Come Sept. 6th you’ll find out big boy.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
Did that guy write "poisonous"?
I mean, really, poisonous? What is that about?
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Poisonous
Yeah, really. I’m not sure what that means by that turn of phrase, maybe an east coast thing?
Do you think he means the band, cause that would be an insult.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man
by Dale Applegate on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
in reference to Kevan's post about picking your poison
by hummerofdoom on Aug 26, 2010 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, okay
Guess I should have done a word search.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
by marktgarten on Aug 26, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
...thanks dad.
What if your wrong? I guess VT fans will find out soon enough.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Aug 25, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The WAC ...
plus Oregon and TCU – two of the best offenses in college football last season, neither of which could pass or run against the Broncos.
"Please put your fat finger down!" - Lars
Rule of thumb
Here is how we used to target;
inside the tackle runs should be 50/50 defensive line/LB, outside the tackles should be 10% DL- 45% LB, 45% DB’s. Last year the LB’s and Safeties took a few bad angles that resulted in the long runs. Derrell Acrey has a bad habit of moving forward and gets lost in the line mess than sliding and then engaging the hole – he is too aggressive for his own good. This is why he rides the bench sometimes.
Over under – Once Crawford makes a few plays – teams will see the tape and run right at him, watch him go by the RB (being a frosh will make him too aggressive for his own good) and let the teams have good runs. I say under 10 which is miss leading as most will come in garbage time against dead beat WAC.
Who can’t we do without? Shea McCellin – he gets lost in the shuffle but seems to make a big play when needed.
The question should be what will the longest time be for the VT QB to shuffle around in the pocket on a broken play? If our DL go for his dancing fakes when things break down this could create problem.
McClellin has got to be one of the best kept secrets on the team
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
by JRig on Aug 25, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That will be interesting
I think VT is going to scheme/account for swyk, and mcclellin will have a monster game.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man
by Dale Applegate on Aug 25, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You said it Dale
Hokie fans will freak out when all of the sudden 260 pound DE Shea McClellin runs down one of their skill players. I can’t wait!
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
Hokies are used to good DEs
I’m sure She McClellin is good, but no VT fans will “freak out.” VT goes up against players like Rober Quinn and Allen Bailey on a regular. VT looks forward to the Winterswyk and McClellin challenge.
Whoever plays on the Right End must be salivating at the opportunity to face a Left tackle who has never played significant minutes at the collegiate level. BSU should get crazy pressure on Tyrod Taylor, and as a VT fan, that is what I fear the most about Boise State. Well, that and Kellen Moore…
by Chazz Micheal Michealzz on Aug 25, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for objectivity (and the Kellen reference)
Swyk & Shea are talented, but I am sure the VT staff has seen DEs that are just as intimidating in the past.
They will probably get pressure on Taylor, but his escapability may be troubling. In what film I saw it looks like he forces a play when the scramble breaks down. He had some great throws while under pressure last year, but when you force the ball like that some are bound to get tipped and susceptible for an INT.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
The whole point was...
Hokie fan seems to think the have the best athletes on the planet and BSU players can’t hold a candle to their players. That’s just not the truth. I’m just saying you might be surprised to find out we have a lot of players that are pretty dang good.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen

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