Do you want the Boise State - Idaho rivalry game to continue?
Never underestimate the divisive power of WAC Media Days.
What began as playful ribbing between Robb Akey and Chris Petersen turned into an all out flame war once BSU President Bob Kustra got to talking. Calling Vandal fans inebriated and uncivil? Rec'd.
Kustra and Petersen made it clear where they stand on the BSU-Idaho rivalry in the future. But what do you think? After the jump, I'll give you my take on the game and open it up for your feedback. Will this year be the last Boise State - Idaho game? Let's discuss.
To recap, Bob Kustra hates Vandal fans just as much as you do
Will the Boise State - Idaho rivalry game continue? Not if Boise State's president gets a vote. His words to the Statesman editorial board were - how do I put this - awesome. According to Kustra, the rivalry ends this season because ...
- Idaho fans are nasty, drunk neanderthals.
- Idaho fans do not respect Boise State academics.
- Idaho fans act like children - nasty, drunk children.
Can't say I disagree.
Do I want to see the Boise State - Idaho rivalry game continue? Let me ask myself
The game might not make sense for school administrators and coaches, but does it make sense for fans?
Let me start off by saying that I agree with everything that Petersen and Kustra said about Vandal fans being belligerent, insensitive, inebriated tools. And I really want to follow them to the ends of the earth on this topic. But I can't.
I want the Boise State - Idaho rivalry to continue. I think rivalries are healthy for fanbases, even if the opposing fans are the worst people you could ever meet. Having a natural rival with a history and tradition like Boise State and Idaho share is something that you cannot just replicate on a whim. Will there be the same intense distaste for BYU? Can I hate TCU with the same passion? Not for awhile.
If my Bronco stock is worth anything (and I'm starting to believe that it is not), I would vote to keep the Boise State - Idaho rivalry going. It is good for the state's economy, it is good for both fanbases, and it is good for a free win every year. I can stomach taunts of "Boise State Junior College", especially once The Streak hits the 20s and beyond.
National fallout
Kustra's comments got play on a national level, and it seems like public opinion is skewing one of two ways.
- Correct. Idaho fans are the scum of the earth.
- Boise State is as petty and fragile as they come.
The latter is the one that concerns me the most, for obvious reasons.
Your turn
Do you want the Boise State - Idaho rivalry to continue? If so, what do you want it to look like? Trips to Moscow? All games in Boise? Share your thoughts in the comments, and don't forget to vote in the poll.
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Seeing as the vandals have done this to themselves.....
I wouldn’t mind playing them every year, but ONLY in Boise. The vandal fans have flat out proven they are a group of bottom-feeders. Why should we go up to the shed? Is akey going to cover the cost of repairs to my car? Why should we have to rent a car to go to an away game, we don’t have to do that at any other place. This garbage has been going on in moscow for years, and they haven’t done a damn thing to address it yet.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
Doesn't make financial sense...
To kill an OOC game by playing in a 16K seat arena and losing money on the venture.
I’d love to continue the “rivalry”, but until the Vandals quit playing in a meat locker, they’ll have to settle for one and done scraps for a while.
16K in that tin can is being very generous..
To kill an OOC game by playing in a 16K seat arena and losing money on the venture.
Isn’t this the same argument that we scoff at when other schools explain why they won’t come to Bronco Stadium? I agree that it doesn’t make financial sense, but if the rivalry is discontinued it should be because it doesn’t make competitive sense. If BSU hopes to stay in the upper echelon of CFB they can’t take the SOS hit by playing the Vandals.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
Yes, I do agree MK
But then again, schools Dont come to Boise. financial > over all.
I’m not sayin its right, but it is the world we live in.
Old enough to know better, too young to care.
Bronco Stadium will have 40K seats soon
When the shed has 30k seats, we will consider driving up there.
Shouldn’t the Vandals play a game in Boise every year to play in front of fans who won’t drive? Even ISU or Eastern Washington?
I recognize that Boise State won’t entertain that option, but the analogy is interesting—-if you were willing to play in Pullman, why shouldn’t you play in Boise every year? And if you could sell 30k seats and count it for a home game, make more money…..play in front of a lot of alums…have a second homecoming event……shouldn’t you offer to play BSU on the blue and call it a home game every other year?
And why isn’t the university boosting security to limit the vandalism when the Broncos visit?
Here is the key—Vandal pride is getting them into trouble. Who really thought that moving up to D1 was a good idea? Is the population in Moscow every going to hit 500K? Did anyone forecast a stadium expansion to be able to generate more revenue? Did they really think the Vandals would take recruits from ORE or OSU or the other Pac 10 schools?? Big time football is expensive, and your fan base better be growing and paying. Paying more money, getting hammered by Montana, and then refusing to play them…not a great track record (is Idaho stonewalling Montana?).
This same pride won’t let them ride on a commercial airplane that is painted orange. It also makes them negotiate from a position of strength that does not exist. Where does the Vandal brain trust see the program in 10 years? Perhaps a barrel behind the University would be a better place to burn their extra cash.
Way to go Vandal nation! All of the slurs you have hiccupped in that last 40 years must have been right. Now go stand in the corner while BSU ignores you and enjoy your moral victory. All that bitching about a soft BSU schedule got you booted off the 2012 schedule in place of Ole Miss. Congratulations!
In all seriousness—-If you want to be relevant, drop football and the title 9 expense and pump money into basketball. Be the next Gonzaga and get a better bang out of your athletic investment.
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right on, Pepe.
I think that’s what baffles me about Moscow. We put more people in our stands on fall Saturdays than the entire population of their town. They’ve got roughly 12K students who seem to either dictate how their Bronco fan visitors are treated or are just mimicking the way the 23K Moscow residents feel. If I was a business owner in Moscow, I’d be demanding the college administration get control of their student body. Their “vandal pride” is killing the one weekend every other year where their businesses have a chance at making some money. If they’d make it a pleasant experience, with some good natured back and forth, maybe they could fill Martin stadium in Pullman an make a serious killing on ticket sales, and all the businesses in the Palouse “metro” area could have a banner sales weekend. What’s also baffling is that the students behaviour seems to be sanctioned by the school, what with the Argonaut article and all. Kustra would never let something like that go to print, or someones getting fired.
Now there’s rumors that WSU is going to side with Idaho and try to back out of the upcoming home and home as punishment for our diss on the Vandals. I don’t know what their on up there in the Palouse, but maybe all those academic wizards should study it. If they could figure it out, they might find that theres something in the air or water that is causing all this delusion and bad football. All that methane from the college farms maybe?
by Boise State of Mind on Jul 29, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe...
But we never play a home and home with UC Davis or Sacramento State.
If it’s just a game to fill an OOC spot, I think you should get equal value. Vandals can’t offer that for the Broncos…especially if we’re being asked to clear a schedule spot for them yearly.
by Drew Roberts on Jul 28, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I voted yes..
..but only because there wasn’t a Mikrino option.
I would like to see the series continue at least two more times. If the series ends with the win streak at 12, Idaho fans will always hang on to their streak. It’s petty, but I want win #13 and I still would like to see the ghost of John L Smith forever erased from all Bronco fans minds.
I am a little surprised all this is coming out now – not smart to give the Vandals more motivation. The Idaho game is now my trap game of the year. Kustra put out enough material to cover the entire lockerroom and if it is billed as the last game in the rivalry, the disparity in talent likely won’t decide the outcome of the game.
I would have rather seen Kustra string along the idea of continuing the series and then take the Governor’s trophy during the postgame celebration of this years game and give it a good Pete Townsend smash signifiy that the rivalry is over.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
by MKingery on Jul 28, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
and maybe have Gene give it a good Roger Daltrey-esqu mic whipping too!
Good Night. Game Over. Drive Home Safely.
by MiketheTransplant on Jul 28, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
rec'd for smashing the (bw) thing.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Jul 28, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there are 2 components to this issue. Should we play at all, and should we play, ever, in Moscow?
Discloure: I attended the 1990 game with my in-laws, all Vandals. I swore I’d never attend another, and haven’t, won’t. So it’s academic to me. I’m neutral as to whether we play. As for Moscow, the last 2 times we’ve played up there i have been stunned by the comments I’ve heard for Bronco fans as to how they are treated up there. And I agree with Kustra’s comment; there are other rivalries that dwarf this one but the fans in general (it aint Cracker Jack w/o a few nuts) there is respect for the academic qualities of the institution. Not this one; it is unhealthy, not fun.This rivalry has devolved into something nasty, brutish and (it is to be hoped) short.
tvmunson
Keep the rivalry
… for now. I’d say schedule 4 more games( 2 home, 2 away) after we leave the WAC. And then reevaluate traveling to Moscow. But I really don’t want to be become the school that thinks it is too good to travel some places.
I gave up a life of crime, I gave it to a friend of mine
I think keep it
But I won’t go to Moscow even though I was born there.They have a real distaste for Southern Idaho for some reason. You can’t even wear a Bronco hat around up there without some drunk inbread retard saying something like " We U of I gaduate’s is smarter them you all Boyzee fans." Now I must disclose that both my parents gratuated from both Bsu and Uof I and they assure me that when they went to school there that the rivalry was still fun and the fan base didn’t act like a bunch of drunk soccer hooligans trying to burn down the K-dome.
Oh and just for fun I went and looked at the school news paper for U of I and big shocker, some kid died recently of alcohol poisoning on his 21st birthday. But don’t worry they don’t party at all up in Moscow. It’s all study study stud for those book worms.
"I think I know what you guys are trying to say.....We need to build a space helicopter." Nathan Explosion
I’ve never gotten why they hate southern Idaho either
I gave up a life of crime, I gave it to a friend of mine
by plainview88 on Jul 28, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I know why!
A lot of Vandals students grew up in southern Idaho and are treated like crap by bsu fans. I’m from southern Idaho and decided to go to UI as a sophomore in high school. Even some of my teachers publicly showed their distaste for my decision and my school. I believe that this is immature and the fans should respect each other whether they are in southern Idaho or in Moscow.
Vandals fans don’t hate southern Idaho, they hate the fact that everywhere they turn they see the ugly blue and orange worn by people that probably didn’t attend the university and only care about the football team. Here is an interesting thought. ~ What do UI and Vandals fans have in common? Neither attended boise state. lol.
Well that’s only mostly true and I respect all of you who graduated from bsu, as long as it is mutual.
I know from experience that some vandal fans say or do stupid things, but I know that there are bsu fans with equal IQ’s and are probably even related us Vandal fans. If you look at any rivalry in the country you have the exact same issues that you see between UI and bsu. Kustra should know this and grow up and stop acting like every other fan that says stupid things or act like a child because they think their school is better.
I respect the bsu football program and hope that Idaho will one day be on par with bsu. The rivalry should continue!
What do UI and Vandals fans have in common? Neither attended boise state.
My favorite Vandal joke. For some reason they think only alumni can be fans of their school instead of their national success. Call it bandwagon, but if you’re growing your fanbase (as well as your income), bandwagon isn’t bad at all. Ask the Yankees, USC, or Lakers? Just my thought on that.
It would be nice for the rivalry to continue, but I think it should be for the right reasons. My feelings on why they hate SW Idaho is because they’re losing control of the government and SBOE that they once had. A Vandal acquaintance I know can’t stand that Boise continue to get the state money over Idaho. I understand that feeling, UI used to run this state in an indirect way. If it’s true that they got a BSU president ousted, then that should be enough proof. I think the animosity towards Boise is because Moscow, ID doesn’t have much say in the changes the Capitol makes, as they are almost.
The same thing happens over here in Eastern Idaho. The state really doesn’t do much over here, but it’s never had control of those decisions so it’s no big deal… (even though ISU specifically is dying over here).
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
by Loque on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you!
For some reason they think only alumni can be fans of their school
I have never understood this. So since I went to college at South Central Louisiana State University, I can only cheer for the Mud Dogs? What if I don’t want to cheer for the Mud Dogs?! I mean, they only really had one good year, back when Robert “Bobby” Boucher Jr was on the team. That boy could play football!
I’m just wondering if that is just what the Vandal fans are used to. After all, aside from their alumni, who else really does cheer for them?
- He once punched a magician... that's right, you heard me!
by OBNUG Intern on Jul 30, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions
You also need to consider.
There are plenty Vandal fans that never went to UI, either. Of course, that’s only because of this Bob Kustra episode that got nearly every SEC fan (who already hated Boise) in their fan base only. Congratulations, Vandals, you finally have national attention!
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
shot in the foot
It’s inbred….
Secondly, that is an incredibly insensitive comment about about a loss of life. To think that the majority of the population (which may possibly include yourself) doesn’t get carried away on their 21st birthday is ludicrous. Coming from a small town in Northern Idaho and being a Vandal myself comments like this is what gives us a rotten taste in our mouths when we think of Bronco “fans.”
I vote no
Mainly for personal reasons. The only bad day I have in the year with the wife is the Boise State v Idaho game. (she’s a Vandal). Were that game to go away and never come back, I would be 100% ok with that.
As far as the Vandal fans go, I think probably 95% of the problems come from the students. I have a bunch of friends who were in frats/sororities up there and the stories I hear from them just cement two facts for me. 1.) they are every bit as alcohol fueled and nasty as you can imagine (but they find it all hilarious) and 2.) I could have NEVER been in a frat. (I spent my college years working full time).
I think the U of I administration has let too much go over the years. For example, I vividly remember in the late 80’s seeing a sign hanging in the Dome during a Boise State game up there. Mind you this was on TV. This was a HUGE banner hanging behind the goal posts that read “Buck the Froncos”. Pure class.
Have I mentioned that I’m really glad the wife is pregnant this year and we will NOT be making the trip to Moscow? Well, I am. Big time. If you think you’ve seen ugly up there before, just wait for this game. I wouldn’t put it past some of the frats up there to REALLY ratchet up the venom and hate on any poor Broncos unwise enough to make that journey.
I have attended every home Boise State football game since 1992.
by JasonHaberman on Jul 28, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good solution!
Have I mentioned that I’m really glad the wife is pregnant this year and we will NOT be making the trip to Moscow? Well, I am.
What I’m reading here is that if you ever marry a Vandal, be sure to conceive around March-April the year the game is in Moscow.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
I'd just assume
Be married for 70 years with 35 kids rather than travel to the Kibbie Dome.
"That was very sneaky of you." - Josh
Never Again? No. Annual Home-n-Home? No.
Maybe the AD’s need to agree to make it a 2 for 1 series every decade or so.
Frankly, I’m a bit disappointed by the sanctimonious comments by Kustra and surprised at Coach Pete’s take. Even if true, if a Bronco player had said those comments they probably would have been rapped for it. They both should have taken the high road as they usually do or kept their mouths shut.
Instead we’re now practically accused of being supercilious on a national level and the rivaly is scoffed at by snobbish Big Sixer bloggers.
I wish we could take a mulligan on this one.
And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!
The irony of that is
They say the exact same things about their teams coming to play on the blue.
- He once punched a magician... that's right, you heard me!
by OBNUG Intern on Jul 28, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
no to idaho
After listening to the red neck mustache conasuer that is Rob Akey speak at the news confrence I threw up in my mouth a little bit. It just proved to me how completly obsured those candles really are. When he started talking about how great his quarterback is I colddn’t take the lack of knowledge coming out of from behind that facial fur. He even talked about how he was an English Major. . . . Idaho might want to take a peak at that degree and make sure it is signed!
Idaho says its great for the economy, and how they should get the governor involved to keep it going. I say we will go to moscow whent the the candles start to visit Pocatello again. The only way that the the economy is affected is when we visit Moscow. Pocatello has been trying to get idaho back in the Holt for years. When they decide to go there, then maybe well decide to go back to moscow.
Until that time I say every other year we, out of the kindness of our hearts, invite Idaho and Idaho State to come and loose in Boise. Idaho State fans are much more classy and have played us about as hard as the candles have in recent years. And personally I would rather pay to see us whoop the Kittens over the candles anyway.
Bob Kustra put this rivalry on the map
It may be bad publicity for Boise State, but hopefully the nation might recognize this rivalry from this publicity. It’s not the way it should have gone, but let’s use it for what it is. Boise State haters are going to become Vandal fans, and perhaps that additional support from beyond just their fanbase will make this rivalry actually competitive.
But if not, I voted no.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
Perhaps Scott Van Pelt can convince Gameday to come to Moscow
Although, the signs there might push the broadcast to premium cable … or Noggin.
"That was very sneaky of you." - Josh
Yes with conditions
I’m with mkingery. We need to play this at least through 13 consecutive wins. I have already heard Vandals I work with make excuses that if the series takes a year or two off that the “broncos streak” (Said with much scarcasm) is not as good as the UI streak in the 80’s- 90’s because it’s not consecutive. Reaching for straws I know but I would rather not have any chinks in the armor or have to defend anything that has happened in since 1999.
After the streak is set, say goodbye. BSU has clearly outgrown the need for this rivalry and will soon have new rivals. I would rather establish a game with Fresno State as this is a little more competive and they have much more national respect (Mark May).
What Kustra said I believe is what we all think. Should he have said it…….probably not. But I won’t fault him for being passionate about BSU athetics and academics. I don’t feel short changed because I have a BSU degree.
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Keep the Game.
Half the college educated population of Boise went to the U of I. Sure they are all closet Bronco season ticket holders but the game is fun especially for families like mine where half of us went to BSU and half to U of I.
I love the passion coming from our administration, but Kustra was out of line. It is one thing to say we will play the Vandals when the game is competitive, who knows when that will be. But when you say that our fans hate going to Moscow because you play in a barn like a bunch of drunk hillbillies, although true, is insulting to those fans that are just passionate about their college team and definitely not the kind of attitude I want my school to take.
by BroncoinSpokane on Jul 28, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
I don't know why Vandals are upset about being called "inebriated"
Most the Vandals I know state it as a point of pride.
by Drew Roberts on Jul 28, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
by blue4areason on Jul 28, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Play them every few years
I don’t like the idea of playing the Vandals every year. Sorry, but it’s not a rivalry and it won’t be for a very long time, if ever. The two programs are headed in two different directions.
I wouldn’t mind playing Idaho every every few years. And we shouldn’t have to go to Moscow. There’s no benefit to it.
"Hi, my name is Doug. I enjoy walks in the rain and bags of pork rinds."
Kustra is protecting Boise State, like he should.
I am glad he said it, just maybe, i would have waited till after we beat them. Like MKingery said
The Idaho game is now my trap game of the year.This is now going to be a much different game, more physical, emotional, and personal then it has been before. I am not just talking about the players either. I am issuing a “red alert” for the moscow… north part of Idaho for… atleast a year.
Meh.
It’s always like that. The Vandals simply cannot have any more motivation to beat the Broncos than they have right now. To pull a Giansante: “it’s their Super Bowl”.
The Vandals want to end the streak before we overtake theirs and it’s the only game of the year that they feel is a “must win”.
by Drew Roberts on Jul 28, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Done with the Vandals
at least until they start winning and becoming decent people. And quit riding like children on BSU’s coat tails.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
So basically never
now that I’ve re read that.
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
never again
musond
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
Why?
Thats like saying hey I miss the ISU game because we left the bigsky@!!
No need to mess up our strength of schedule

Look what I got in the mail yesterday
by Darth Prophet on Jul 28, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Couldn't help but notice you have two...
Can I have one?
by Drew Roberts on Jul 28, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Say, Darth, those are a good lookin' pair of tix. 30 yd line behind the team, row 1. Very nice!.
Little spendy though. Those of us who bought ours through the school should be getting them very soon. We need to stop this little downer of a pillow fight. It might end up being a distraction we don’t need.
by Boise State of Mind on Jul 28, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
A question about this:
Let’s assume that this coming game is the last BSU-IU game for a while. Whether or not it’s the last one, let’s also assume that these games become infrequent enough that it’s no longer a viable rivalry.
If so, how likely is it that IU falls below the attendance threshold for 1-A membership? If I remember right, you have to average 15k per home game. Miss that one season, and you’re on probation. Miss two, and you’re relegated. (Feel free to correct if I’m wrong; it’s been a while and I don’t have time to look up the facts on this.)
I ask this because I’m a Wyoming alum, and Wyo was close to that during their really bad years earlier this century. It was the rivalry games that kept Wyoming afloat; between BYU, CSU, Utah, and Air Force, there were always two games with attendance over 35k, meaning the rest of the games only needed to average about 5k.
If Idaho loses Boise, who else brings a big enough fan base to augment their seats? And how much interest will there be in Idaho football? Enough for the Vandal fans to make numbers on their own?
Setting feelings aside, I wonder if it’s a concern; I have never been to a game in Moscow and I have no feel for their attendance, but the things you have been saying lead me to believe that they’re constantly on the edge of 15k as it is.
;-)
I don't think they really enforce it.
Otherwise several WAC schools would probably have been booted. Besides, UI counts tickets sold (or given away), not butts-in-seats. They always claim to have more fans there than they really have. It’s usually 60 to 75% full. I’d be surprised if they averaged 12K at games not against Boise State.
by Drew Roberts on Jul 28, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If they bring in Montanta.
That could be real good for Idaho. Right along the Northern Highway (I assume Hwy 90?).
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
I hope they do, actually.
I think Montana might be able to swing 1-A play, even given their virtually Canadian location. Slot them in the WAC, let them build up to their scholarship limit. If they dominate, the MWC can poach them off too. (Kinda like how Boise State finally worked out.)
;-)
Montana better be ready to spend money if they move up.
other than Boise State—-who else has moved up and kept up in the financial arms race?
Isn’t Idaho ducking Montana—Montana has the streak up to how many?
Winning 1AA every other year might be more fun than finishing in the middle of a conference no one cares about. Cheaper too.
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 29, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
But 8 of the last 10 since ’91.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
Didn't the Vandals also have a nice streak where there only wins were over FCS teams?
Yep.
10/21/2006 to 10/25/2008. Two years they went 2-23. There only wins; Cal Poly San Luis Obispo (7-4) & Idaho State (2-9). Not even good DIAA teams.
Let’s not forget their run from 11/18/2000 to 11/202004 where they compiled a massive 9-39 record over three plus seasons. The wins you ask?
Louisiana-Monroe, twice 2-9(2001) 1-11(2003)
San Diego State 4-9(2002)
Middle Tennessee State (middle Tennessee?) 4-8(2002)
New Mexico St. 3-9(2003)
Utah State 3-9(2003)
Eastern Michigan 4-7(2004)
Louisiana-LaFayette 4-7(2004)
All DIA teams, none with a winning record.
Raise your hand if you still think they should be an FBS team.
/no hands are raised
I rest my case.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
yumm...Pancakes
Rather than scheduling FCS teams to pound on the opening week, just bring Idaho to Bronco Stadium to get our early pancake game and work out the kinks. Rivalry continues, domination of Gem State continues, and there aren’t any more FCS teams on the schedule. Done.
From an outside perspective
I agree my initial reaction was towards the second thing you listed. If you can’t stand being made fun of why should you be taken seriously? You could copy and paste that assesment of Idaho fans and drinking with Iowa, Wisconsin, LSU, Texas Tech, and a few other schools as well. I guess when I first read that I scoffed because I imagined drinking with Badger fans in Madison last year and taking their BS before and after the game. My intial reaction was “who is this prude to attack fans who choose to imbibe in order to enhance their game day experience?” I am not nor have ever been one to get smashed on gameday, but I know plenty of people who do and they seem to have a fine time.
However, I don’t think it is fair to stereotype a situation which you do not have a decent understanding of. I have never been to a Boise State or Idaho game so I can’t pretend to understand the dynamics at work behind that statement.
So getting to the point, I want to ask Bronco fans, aside from the fact that they are a natural rival, what do you hate about Idaho fans? Give me your best/worst stories and impressions, I want to know why this statement makes sense to you but not to the rest of us.
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Kustra should've been a little more diplomatic.
I actually wouldn’t mind continuing the rivalry simply because I can sleep soundly knowing the Broncos will never go winless as long as they’re on the schedule.
The Vandals running up the score on a dying Pokey Allen several years back pretty much cemented my hatred. Pokey had cancer and was out the entire season only to come back and coach the last two games. Idaho was last and they ran it up 64-19. Classy. Pokey died three weeks later. Thats was 1996, the Broncos first year as a DIA school and their last losing season (2-10). Also the last time the Vandals beat them.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
Also the last time the Vandals beat them.
Don’t forget 2pt. conversion in ’98 = Loss
Obviously you're not a golfer...
I stand corrected.
That’s what I get for making “inebriated” comments at two in the morning.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
also Nutt's year was a losing season
But better than 2-10. :) 5-7 I think it was??
by hummerofdoom on Jul 29, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Nutt:
Did you happen to catch the question a reporter asked him at SEC Media Days?
If one year of the Nutt was responsible for so much, I can’t wait to see what Arkansas turns into…
;-)
it is interesting that the topic went public
Gene could have ignored the issue and simply ‘not had an opening on the schedule,’ but Bob wanted to air it out.
Such a sweet disposition—can we nickname him ‘Sugar’ Bob?
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 29, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Iowa come to Iowa State's rescue....
in the conference re-allignment discussions?
Perhaps the situations are more similar than we thought.
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 29, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
@ KC_HAWKEYE (reply button not working)
I was at the ‘06 game waiting just outside the Kibbie Dome with some other BSU fans/friends before kickoff. An 8 to 10 year old kid came by with his parents, who were covered in black and gold Vandal gear. The kid was wearing his Lewiston (30 miles S of Moscow) Pop Warner jersey. The jersey was blue, but he was wearing a black Vandal hat proudly. Some Vandal frat guys walked by, heckled him for wearing his blue Pop Warner jersey and threw his Vandal hat to the ground, saying he doesn’t deserve to wear the Vandal hat…calling him a traitor as they staggered away. The kid cried, “But I’m a Vandal fan,” and went crying to who his Vandal dad who comforted him by saying, “I told you not to wear that stupid jersey!”
That is why I hate U of I. Is that kinda what you were looking for?
Obviously you're not a golfer...
I know this makes me a terrible person but that story made me laugh.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
I laughed as well
We do not take counsel of our fears, our naysayers, or the unknown
Coach Pete January 1, 2007
I'm still laughing
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
Brilliant
Vandals should rejoice that the streak will finally end….win or lose this year. Good Riddance.
Found some fb clinic notes from Coach Pete concerning his pyramid of success and he lists " Beat Nevada" in this pyramid and not Idaho. The new streak has silenced the rivalry between the schools U of I and BSU. Fresno State is a bigger rival currently.
We do not take counsel of our fears, our naysayers, or the unknown
Coach Pete January 1, 2007
by StatueLeft on Jul 28, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The reason I found OBNUG
my wife searched for a story about Idaho fans tossing urine bombs on the Bronco faithful….but, I just hate ‘em because of a certain “friend” i have who swears by the superior U of I education she has. She can’t use the words your and you’re correctly. How superior is that?
Noel.Diggity.....NO DOUBT!
I would have said no...
Except all these comments made it interesting again. Taking the hammer to the Kibbie Dome, Ackey’s mustache, all these things make the Vandals less…boring. I understand the SOS argument, but if we just book them during weeks when SEC teams are playing their 1-AA patsys and ditch a MAC team (I mean, come on, we even travel to Miami of Ohio) I’d like to keep playing Idaho, though I’m down with the 2-1, maybe @ Boise, @Moscow, @ Boise, then a year off to play credible competition, maybe give them home and home if they win the WAC ever.
Why I hate Vandal fans?
I’m at a Christman party several years ago at my best friend’s place in Eagle. I know a lot of the people present but certainly not all. I’m standing in the kitchen, hovering over the snacks, and this woman walks over to do the same. Total stranger. She intoduces herself as a neighbor and we chat pleasantly enough about several topics when she asks where I went to school. I reply: BSU. Her next (and last ) question was, “So, which McDonalds do you work at?”
She, to this day, still doesn’t appreciate how much of a gentleman I was. Moral of the story? A******* Vandals come in both genders.
I understand, kind of
I would understand bad interactions with fans creating a personal grudge between fans, but the fact that a University official went out of the way to rip into them still seems whiny. I mean, ripping on academics happens to almost everybody, not just BSU.
Michigan fans have plenty of jokes the students at Ohio State. Northwestern students have plenty of cheers about how their opponents will be pumping their gas or what not in the future. I once ran into an Iowa State fan in Kansas who said she didn’t recognize me as an Iowa fan because I wasn’t delivering a pizza.
I get it on a personal level, the stories show why individual fans should, and do, hate Idaho. However how mature is it to come out as a University President and bash them for making fun of you? I mean, as a university President shouldn’t this be a case where you either realize the perception surrounding the school and choose to either imrpove it, try to inform the public, or ignore the idiots.
I understand fans and Kustra beingupset with the jerks who are rude, but how does doing this help your University at all? Ok Idaho fans are jerks, but throwing a public hissy fit only makes you look bad and gives Vandals fans something else to make fun of you for.
http://victorypolka.blogspot.com/
Kustra has said his statements came off harsher than he'd expected
Without divulging anything more, I can say I have some pretty deep background on Kustra’s POV and what drives his frustration within the state of ID. As far as adding more fuel to nasty Vandal fan’s vitriol, that’s simply not possible. That stays the same whether we continue to play or Moscow gets obliterated off the face of the earth by an asteroid. It’s (b/w) bred into them. Period.
It's not very mature.
But to some degree, I also think it’s pretty awesome.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
I thought it was freaking awesome!!
Light the thing up and let it burnnnnnnn!
Get Doug Martin to smash the logo again and then we can kick some as$!
Shake It Kid
I think that part of the reason for the statements has to do with the history of Boise State as a junior college. Kustra is working hard to improve the academic reputation of the school (now that the College of Western Idaho has been founded for the metro area, Boise State doesn’t have to serve as a university and community college both for the area), and I can just imagine how grating it must be to continuously hear Vandal fans refer to Boise State as Boise Junior College.
The rest—the inebriated fans, the comparison to other rivalries—I think he was off on that. I don’t think that this rivalry is worse than other heated rivalries, and I doubt the Idaho student body is atypically inebriated at games.
Survey should have had a third option
Play in Boise every year or every other would keep the ‘rivalry’ alive, but with different terms.
It is interesting that Boise State doesn’t even want that—and that the message came from the president, rather than the AD or coach.
Actually, I think both comments from Kustra and Coach Pete
were in reference to visiting Moscow.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
Pete said
that he didn’t want to go up there.
Kustra lit it on fire—-doesn’t want to play them at all. Not sure how his comments left games on the blue as an option. Perhaps the Uof I should have provided better security for the visiting university president.
Maybe the AD should have got on the orange and blue airplane and kept his mouth shut.
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Kustra quote in the Statesman.
‘I frankly don’t care whether we ever play ‘em again as long it goes,’’ Kustra said. "I don’t see any reason to do it in Boise, but if somebody sees a reason to do it in Boise, fine.
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 30, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The Biggest Knock Against BSU...
has always been the SOS argument.
We now have the opportunity to not schedule what may be the WORST team over the last decade in all of CFB. Now compound that with their barbaric fan base and there’s absolutely ZERO reason to keep them on the schedule.
If they stop acting like a bunch of savages, I say we should entertain the idea of holding the game in Boise every year. Don’t like that idea, Vandals? Tough. Boise St doesn’t need the Vandals. We can sell out the stadium with another team.
by MooreWalksOnWater on Jul 30, 2010 7:46 AM PDT reply actions
as I mentioned above
Congrats to the Candals for bitching about the Bronco’s SOS.
You got traded for Ole Miss.
Best of luck finding a game to replace it.
by ElPepeGrande on Jul 30, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Most voted no?
I never thought I’d live to see the Bropncos become the “man” and duck out of a game by whining the same way all the prima donna jerk off schools did about Boise.
How does it feel to become what you hated?
Ok, Andy Staples.
Nice to know you can make up your own assessments.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
Actually
I made my assessment and posted same at other blogs.
Staples said same next day.
So, we’re talking about the obvious:
You became what you promised to hate? (my words)
It’s sickening to see.
by MeanBobMean on Jul 31, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The difference being.
I would have been fine not playing Idaho before our move to the MWC, and before Kustra nailed ’em.
The difference here is that your perception of Boise fans has changed, not us.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
You can't please everyone, so to hell with it...
I’ve always liked the feeling at the top of the mountain.
Shake It Kid
Says a Utah fan who’s program might drop their series with BYU.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
Nope
Won’t happen.
And it certainly won’t happen because we feel we’re too good for them, they way you whining little boobs feel.
Jesus, the sanctominous, cry baby, chest beating of BSU fans.
See ya, whine without me ya candy assess.
by MeanBobMean on Jul 31, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
why i am for never playing the vandals again
try the first bsu vandal game i went to. visiting some high school buddies up in moscow, having a gay ole time, come out to my jeep after the game to find that my canvas top has been cut and it looked like someone took a chisel to the paint.
fast forward to last years romp of the vandals, i left at half to walk across the street and watch the game at the ram, good drinks there see. and every vandal tailgate i walk past has me worried about being shanked. once we make it to the ram we weren’t any safer. a rowdy crowd of drunks lie in wait under broadway on the greenbelt to harass and terrorize any blue and orange clad person coming down the narrow pathway. even with women in the group i was still worried about a physical altercation, if it wasnt for my sister in law and her massive crowd of vandal fans, things would have ended up bloody, my blood
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