Top non-BCS players in 2010: How many Boise State Broncos are in Top 25?
Non-BCS players are much better than they used to be. Remember Chase Holbrook? I do. Barf.
This year's crop is loaded with authentic Heisman candidates, future NFL stars, and giant-killing game breakers. There are non-Broncos, too. [Rimshot!] Just how many Boise State players deserve to land on a Top 25 list of the best non-BCS players in the country? Graham Watson has her ideas. I have mine. Join me after the jump for a discussion, and pitch in with your comments.
Graham Watson's list of top non-AQ players
As a fun aside this summer (because there is nothing else going on apparently), Watson has taken it upon herself to come up with a list of the Top 25 non-BCS players in the country, presumably because she enjoys hatemail. Seriously, there is no way she is escaping from this assignment without a death threat or two. I've already penned a rough draft of mine.
There are so many players in the non-BCS conferences and so few spots on a 25-man list (no more than 25, that's for sure). Well perhaps Watson's governing rules for the countdown will help narrow down the candidates.
This list is based on what these players have done to this point and their potential heading into 2010. With so many non-AQ teams, this was a little tricky. There were a lot of players from which to choose. Some were obvious, some had great potential and some were left out because of injury uncertainties. Statistics and the level of competition were taken into account.
Nope. That pretty much includes everyone.
So how is Watson doing? You tell me.
19. RB Eddie Wide, Utah
20. LB Noah Keller, Ohio
21. WR Greg Salas, Hawaii
22. LB Tank Carder, TCU
23. RB Robert Turbin, Utah State
24. TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
25. WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy
To recap, she has thus far named a RB who may not even play in 2010 (Turbin), she put the non-BCS's best LB (Carder) behind Ohio's best linebacker (Keller), she completely made up that Jerrel Jernigan guy because there's no way he actually exists, and she has a token Notre Dame player (Rudolph) because what's a non-BCS list without Notre Dame.
(Update: Watson has added East Carolina WR Dwayne Harris as her No. 18 player. Ugh)
Bold list so far. I appreciate Watson's thinking outside the box because that is what I inevitably do with my WAC preseason poll (intentionally or not). Fortune favors the bold ... but seriously, an Ohio linebacker?
Still, there is a bigger problem with this list ...
Where are all the Boise State players?
I suppose Watson could be waiting until spots 10 through 1 to list off Boise State players, but even I in all my raging homerism would have too much good taste to do that. I would only go one through eight.
- Kellen Moore
- Austin Pettis
- Titus Young
- Jeremy Avery
- Nate Potter
- Ryan Winterswyk
- Billy Winn
- Jeron Johnson
Call me crazy, but I think you could make a case for all eight of these Bronco players being the best at their position among non-BCS players. So if eight are supposed shoo-ins for the Top 25, then why hasn't Watson got to any of them yet? The obvious answer is that she will not be bringing all eight along. The less obvious answer is that she hates Boise State (or so my angry letter subject line states).
My best guess at how many Broncos end up on Watson's list: Three. She has to fake a certain level of objectivity, doesn't she?
I defy myself to find 18 other non-BCS players worthy of a Top 25 list
Ha! I can name 31.
- QB Case Keenum, Houston
- OL Jake Kirkpatrick, TCU
- QB Andy Dalton, TCU
- WR James Cleveland, Houston
- OT Matt Reynolds, BYU
- PR Jeremy Kerley, TCU
- WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
- WR DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss
- OL Marcus Cannon, TCU
- S Tejay Johnson, TCU
- KR T.Y. Hilton, Florida International
- S Brian Lainhart, Kent State
- DE Bruce Miller, UCF
- OL Rod Huntley, UTEP
- OL Andrew Jackson, Fresno State
- OL Zane Taylor, Utah
- WR/PR Damaris Johnson, Tulsa
- RB Donald Buckram, UTEP
- QB Ricky Dobbs, Navy
- QB Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
- RB Bernard Pierce, Temple
- LB Mario Harvey, Marshall
- LB Brian Hendricks, Wyoming
- DB Anthony Wright, Air Force
- K Kevin Goessling, Fresno State
- S Shiloh Keo, Idaho
- LB Ben Jacobs, Fresno State
- RB Vai Taua, Nevada
- DE Dontay Moch, Nevada
- OL Rob McGill, Louisiana Tech
- WR/PR Phillip Livas, Louisiana Tech
Good luck cramming all those into a Top 25 list. (Tip: Less Nevada players.)
Are Austin Pettis and Titus Young better than Greg Salas?
My immediate gut reaction is, "Yeah duh." Stats from 2009 are a little less cut-and-dry.
Salas: 106 receptions, 1590 yards, 8 touchdowns
Pettis: 63 receptions, 855 yards, 14 touchdowns
Young: 79 receptions, 1041 yards, 10 touchdowns
Salas' numbers hold up well, but that is because he plays in an offense where he is the only weapon and a weapon that is only dangerous in five yard spurts. Pettis is a TD machine and one of the best WRs in the country. Young is a game changer at WR and at KR. Ipso facto, Petts & Young > Salas.
Is Jeremy Avery better than Eddie Wide and Robert Turbin?
I do not know much about Eddie Wide, but I do know that Robert Turbin only has working ligaments in one knee. If this truly is a list of the best non-BCS players in 2010 and if Turbin is already on it, then you have to include Avery.
Now might be a good time to bring up an interesting series of thoughts I have had about Boise State running backs. My theory is that Bronco fans overrate BSU ball carriers. I came to this theory when I was thinking about the Eddie Wide vs Jeremy Avery angle. When I saw Wide at No. 19 on Watson's list, immediately I thought that Avery was by far a better back. Why? I have no recollection of ever seeing Wide play. I have no idea how good he is. All I know is that Avery rushed for 1,000 yards for the Broncos and he makes guys miss when he feels like it.
Do I think of BSU running backs higher than I ought to based solely on statistics and the fact that they are Bronco running backs? I most certainly do. I would venture to say that Doug Martin is a better running back than Wide, and Doug Martin only carries the ball about 30 percent of the time for the Broncos.
My homerism is out of control!
Do you think my theory has legs? Were you pretty sure that Avery is better than Wide, too?
Is there any way that Kellen Moore is not the No. 1 non-BCS player in the country?
On behalf of football fans and college experts everywhere, I say, "I sure hope not." Kellen Moore should be the best non-BCS player in any list of non-BCS players. He has put up shockingly good numbers for the best non-BCS team in football over the past two seasons. He is the leader of a Top Five non-BCS school with its eyes on a national championship. He is a legitimate Heisman candidate. It's a no-brainer.
Uh-oh. Brain alert! As we fatefully learned a couple weeks ago, not everyone thinks as highly of Kellen Moore as they ought. Phil Steele's All-America list had four quarterbacks on its top four teams, and Kellen Moore was not one of them. Houston's Case Keenum was.
Couple Keenum love with an odd infatuation with Nevada's Colin Kaepernick, and the debate about the No. 1 non-BCS player is a little more dramatic than it should be. Is Moore the best player among all non-AQs? Yes. Will he be named as such on the Top 25 list? Eh. We'll see.
So help me if she takes a kicker
I will have a fit. Unless it's Brad Elkin.
If I were to finish Graham Watson's Top 25 list for her
- QB Kellen Moore, Boise State
- QB Case Keenum, Houston
- WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
- OL Zane Taylor, Utah
- OL Jake Kirkpatrick, TCU
- QB Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
- WR Austin Pettis, Boise State
- RB Bernard Pierce, Temple
- OT Matt Reynolds, BYU
- WR James Cleveland, Houston
- QB Ricky Dobbs, Navy
- WR Titus Young, Boise State
- WR/PR Damaris Johnson, Tulsa
- RB Donald Buckram, UTEP
- WR DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss
- DE Ryan Winterswyk, Boise State
- DB Anthony Wright, Air Force
- DL Billy Winn, Boise State
- RB Eddie Wide, Utah
- LB Noah Keller, Ohio
- WR Greg Salas, Hawaii
- LB Tank Carder, TCU
- RB Robert Turbin, Utah State
- TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
- WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy
*Bold denotes choices out of my control.
Your turn
How do you think Watson is doing with her countdown of non-BCS players? Should Kellen Moore be No. 1? What about the Avery vs. Wide vs. Turbin debate? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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Just when I thought Graham couldn't get any dumber she attempts to put out this list...
…then totally redeems herself by doubling up on #19.
I guess this still leaves a chance for Billy Winn to slip in at #18.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
I get 70 miles to the gallon on this hog
"Hi, my name is Doug. I enjoy walks in the rain and bags of pork rinds."
Potter
I think Nate Potter would have to be on the list as well
by blue-and-orange on Jun 10, 2010 8:52 AM PDT reply actions
Looks like he either needs to bulk up
or he’ll become an LB.
either way, that’s our 2nd 3-star recruit added. and both of them are graded as 77’s, per ESPN. this is good. :)
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jun 10, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
They call him "UK."
Dunno if that is pronounced “Ook” or “U-K,” which would be odd because we’re not the University of Kentucky.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
She would have been better off have a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd All Non-BCS teams.
Leave it to Graham to screw that up. A Notre Dame player? What part of Non-BCS does she fail to understand? NOTRE DAME IS BCS TEAM, GRAHAM!*
- When I type in capitals, it indicates a rise in volume.
Billy Winn, Ryan Winterswyk, and Jeron Johnson are all projected as 2nd-3rd round NFL Draft picks going into this season. For her to leave them off this list would be insane.
Of course she’s going to put Moore, Pettis, and Young on there, I hope. If she leaves Pettis of because of “injury uncertainties” I will give out her phone number in an OBNUG fan shot. Because all the ridicule she will get will be well earned.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!
ESPN
almost always classifies Notre Dame as non-BCS, by which they mean not a member of the Big-6 BCS conferences. Blame ESPN if you want, but thats hardly Watson’s call.
More Important Issues to Discuss
I would suggest that we have more important items on the college football menu to discuss than Watson’s silly list.
The new conference alignments (CU to the Pac-10, UN to the Big-10) appear to favor a Pac-16. That could bode well for a BSU invite to the MWC, albeit along with the Kansas schools and Iowa State as additional invitees.
There's plenty threads on that in the fanposts/fanshots
"Hi, my name is Doug. I enjoy walks in the rain and bags of pork rinds."
by JRig on Jun 10, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Besides the guys we expect to be on the list...
I think Jeron Johnson needs to be on the list along with Swyk and Billy Winn.
Turbin is a good back but he shouldn’t be on the list because she said so herself that Turbin might not even play next year. She broke her own rule!
And of course I think Kellen Moore should be number one. Case Keenum is pretty dang good, stats or not. I wouldn’t fuss too much if Keenum got the nod….well maybe a little.
"Hi, my name is Doug. I enjoy walks in the rain and bags of pork rinds."
I could be wrong...
but I’m inclined to believe that Kaepernick and Pettis should at least be switched. I just can’t stomach anybody from Nevada being better than Pettis. He’s just a stud!
I’d love to hear why they were put where they are!
by Dustin Peterson on Jun 10, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
Not wrong at all.
Kevan, please tell me you threw up in your mouth when you listed Kaepernick ahead of Pettis.
"All we can do is win the games on our schedule" - Coach Pete
by givemesomemoore on Jun 10, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Venable!!
I think that Winston Venable is one of the top defensive players in all of the non-BCS. His flying waterboy hit against Fresno should have been enough evidence.
by forum8usa on Jun 10, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
Once the big-12 is finished being demolished, Watson might have to add Baylor QB Robert Griffin to the list.
I can’t see any way Moore isn’t at the top of the list. I suppose a “case” can be made for Keenum, but Moore wins. Unless Watson is limiting herself to one per team, Pettis should definitely be on the list as well. I really doubt Young makes it (even if he may well deserve to be, I doubt anyone would put two receivers from the same team on the list), and kinda doubt Avery does as well. Maybe one of the defenders …
Well
BSU is the most well rounded team of the Non-BCS schools (and quite a lot of BCS schools). With the players BSU has at WR, QB, RB, TE, DL, DB, and K, we SHOULD have 10 of the 25, period! Can we pick Tony Dalton over Kaepernick, when it comes to QB, you should go by TDs to ints, Yards, and WINS
Agreed
You’re right, each Boise player you mentioned deserves strong consideration, except maybe Potter because no one else even knows who that is. But, like Watson, you also made at least one glaring mistake by not in including WR Jamel Hamler, who, unlike Salas, played with one of the deepest receiving corps and offenses in WAC history last year and still put up solid sophomore numbers. He’s a guy who could have a chance to leave early for the NFL now that he’ll be one of the top couple options at Fresno State instead of the fourth receiver.
Check out the latest Fresno State chatter on the Bulldog Bounce blog at http://www.BulldogBounce.blogspot.com.

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