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Catching up with Fresno State: Has the window closed on the Bulldogs?

Fresno State will not be on anyone's preseason Top 25 lists this summer and thank goodness for that. But are the Bulldogs still a team to be reckoned with in the WAC? Have they been officially replaced by Nevada?

After the jump, find out how Fresno is looking this spring and discuss how the Bulldogs are perceived now that they have been off the radar for a few seasons. Has Fresno's window closed? Let's discuss.

Star-divide

All this week, OBNUG will be checking in with Boise State's 2010 opponents to see how their spring is going. Now: Fresno State. Previously: Virginia Tech. Wyoming. Oregon State. Toledo. Louisiana Tech. San Jose State and New Mexico State. Idaho. Hawaii and Utah State. Nevada.

The last indelible image of Fresno State's 2009 season

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"Forget this. I'm going pro." (via images.townnews.com)

 

Instead of closing the season with eight wins in nine games and good vibes all around, Fresno State lost to Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl in double overtime thanks to a goalline failure and a general lack of caring. Afterwards, star RB Ryan Mathews declared for the NFL draft and Pat Hill agreed to a contract extension to stay in Fresno. Wait! You got it backwards, people!

What has changed

All-American RB Ryan Mathews declared early for the NFL, which wouldn't be all that bad except main backup Lonyae Miller graduated as did main MIller backup Anthony Harding. Robbie Rouse is your new starting running back at Fresno State, all 5'7", 185 pounds of him. Anyone remember Dave Meggett? You will when you watch FSU games this year.

The Bulldogs are expected to get an influx of talent at the skill positions thanks to a good haul in recruiting. Some of the incoming WR speed should help offset the loss of WR Seyi Ajirotutu, but was Pat Hill not in the room when opponents were running circles around his defense? Guess not.

What hasn't changed

Starting QB Ryan Colburn is back, much to the chagrin of Fresno fans. Whether it's living up to the expectations of Tom Brandstater or keeping the seat warm for redshirt freshman Derek Carr, Colburn just can't win. (Note: It's probably not the Brandstater one.) If Carr has a good spring and fall, he could be starting over Colburn in 2010.

The Bulldogs return a slew of starters on both sides of the ball, including a whopping nine on defense. Headlining the defensive group is LB Ben Jacobs who nearly won himself a WAC DPOY award last year by virtue of talent relativity - he was good, everyone else not so much. K Kevin Goessling is likely to be on some Lou Groza-type lists this fall.

Biggest spring storyline

Will the Fresno running game be okay?

Pat Hill must have stumbled upon Any Given Sunday during a free Starz weekend because the Fresno head coach is now all about opening up the offense. Enter Derek Carr (eventually). Recruit wideout people (Davon Dunn, e.g.). Give Hal Mumme a call to see what's up and hope he cuts you a deal on Hal Mumme's Air-Raid Offense 3-pack.

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Foreword by Rich Kotite. (via www.championshipproductions.com)

 

But before the Bulldogs complete their transition into Cliff Kingsbury's Texas Tech, they are going to have to spend some time leaning on a ground game that is suddenly very thin.

Robbie Rouse is certainly a departure from the downhill styles of Mathews, Miller, and Harding, and unless backup Michael Harris wows some folks this spring, it could be the Rouse show come September. That will significantly change the style of Fresno's running attack in a much more Jeremy Avery-like way.

The question: Has the window closed on the Bulldogs?

For the second year in a row, no one is expecting Fresno State to win the WAC or finish second in the WAC or do much more than avoid tripping over itself. Where is the overblown hype? Where are the Graham Watson sonnets? What is up with the lack of Ryan Colburn in my Google Alerts?

Fresno State is not the same Fresno State as they were before. How far have they fallen? You tell me.

Are they also-ran material?

Fresno is no longer seriously considered as a WAC favorite and will be closer to Idaho and LaTech in the preview mags than they will be to Boise State and Nevada. Not helping distinguish themselves any, the Bulldogs beat Utah State by four and LaTech by two last season.

Are they a solid No. 3 in the WAC?

For the past couple seasons it has been Boise State, Nevada, and Fresno State in that order and with plenty of separation between each. The Bulldogs have consistently lost to the Wolf Pack and the Broncos, but at the same time they have consistently beaten pretty much everyone else in the conference. You will never mistake them for BSU, but you would also never mistake them for NMSU.

Are they secretly just as good as Nevada and still Boise State's main competition in the WAC?

Fresno made things tough on the Broncos last season when BSU came to town, and the game seemed much more in doubt than did Boise State's win over Nevada. Perhaps the Bulldogs are on par with the Wolf Pack and just much more inconsistent? (Note: It is hard to be much more inconsistent than Nevada.)

You may start disliking these people

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Fresno State fans

Long recognized as some of the seediest in the WAC, Fresno fans can now add a new feather to their trucker cap: whining. After last year's loss to the Broncos, a small furor erupted over the legality of Winston Venable's flying QB hit on Ryan Colburn. "Where was the flag?" Fresno fans wondered. "Scoreboard," I responded, as if they were actually talking directly to me.

Ugh. Fresno fans.

Spring schedule

  • March 15: Spring practice began
  • April 16: Spring game
  • April 7: Spring practice begins
  • April 24: Spring game

Spring reading

The Fresno Bee is your best bet for Bulldog info and Pat Hill conspiracy theories courtesy of Matt James, the king of Fresno coverage. OBNUG's friends at Bulldog Bounce are in offseason slumber, but you can expect them to be back in some form around August.

To the comments ...

How far has Fresno State fallen? Do you still consider them as one of the best teams in the WAC? Think Pat Hill is the problem? Share your thoughts in the comments.

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Has Fresno State's window closed?
Yes
175 votes
No
175 votes

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What no poll?

I’m sad…

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on Apr 2, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

OK, you convinced me

"Lunch has been canceled today due to lack of hustle." - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Apr 2, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It won't stop Darst

Darst will still probably pick Fresno like he always does or maybe he’ll follow Grammie’s lead and pick Nevada.

There are still some deluded people that think the Fresno of 2009, 2010 is the same as the Fresno of 2001. Actually those teams do have something in common or will have in common. A loss to BSU.

Fresno finishes behind BSU, Nevada, Utah State this year.

BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.

by Belexes on Apr 2, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the Utah State pick.

I really want them and La Tech to get their lucky break against everyone but Boise. They typically play decent, beatable teams… just never get through to finish it off.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Apr 2, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a prediction.

Which is not good because nearly 60% of my predictions turn out to be false. The WAC (excluding Boise) was expected to truly “Play Up” last season, in which they significantly “Played Down.” This year, no one expects the WAC to be any semblance of good (excluding Boise). So, out of respect for the very reason I’m such a college football addict, I’m going to predict the WAC does semi-well this year.

Wait. Now that I’m expecting the WAC to do well, does that mean it will suck?…

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Apr 2, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Ebahn Feathers no show/Hill contract extension

I would say that the disappearance of Ebahn Feathers, the Bulldogs highly touted spread quarterback, from the football team and the still unfinished contract extension for Pat Hill are the biggest spring storylines coming out of Fresno. Feathers hasn’t returned any of the coaches calls or texts since early February and is no longer officially a member of the team. While he was not a starter, his athleticism and speed could have been effectively used with the slew of wide outs the Bulldogs signed this spring.

Matt James of the Fresno Bee wonders what the heck the Fresno State athletic department is doing with Hill’s contract. Apparently losing to Wyoming was a real gut punch.

The grumbling from the Red Wave continues.

by SactoBronco on Apr 2, 2010 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

No Feathers?

Seriously? Not that I’m a huge follower of Fresno, but how did I not hear about this?
I remember when things stalled out for the Bulldogs in last years game, the Feathers/Rouse combo came in for two plays and got them rolling again. Then Coach Pat Hill “Pat-Hilled” himself out of the game by putting Ryan “Is There a Venable Imprint on My Back” Colburn back in. I thought the spread personnel was something to watch out for this year.
This just goes to show what disarray their athletic department is in. I voted the window was open. After reading this, I’m thinking it’s not only closed, but draped and shuttered also.

"I said, if I were smart then I would save up for a piece of string and a rock to wind the string around. Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around."

by casketbase on Apr 5, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mathews

Ryan Mathews WAS their offense last season. As an added bonus we have them at home where the score always looks more like BSU vs dUI then the Bulldogs when they play us at home.

Besides it seems like our defense has always gobbled up smaller backs like tater-tots. And with Hout moving to MLB, I think big backs gashing us for big gains like Mathews did in last years games are going to be few and far between this season.

That move by the coaches may be the best one they make this year. Hout blitzing up the middle stuffing runs or forcing them to the outside into to Percy or Venable might make this the best LB core since Brooks, Hall and Gingg.

I think this game will get out of hand quickly. FSU has really fallen off their game in recent years and I think the gap between BSU and them grows even larger this year.

"I think I know what you guys are trying to say.....We need to build a space helicopter." Nathan Explosion

by forseyfan36 on Apr 2, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

What is the Definition of "Window Closed"?

Because I don’t ever remember it truly being open.

Fresno has always prided themselves on the “Anyone, Anywhere” mantra. However, they just don’t have the program to pull it off. It’s not that they don’t have the talent. For years, Fresno has arguably had the most pure talent in the WAC. IMO, it comes down to Hill. I’ve really never been impressed with his coaching, especially in big games (see: Texas A7M in ‘07, Oregon multiple times, Wisconsin x2, Colorado St bowl game, Wyoming bowl game, BSU every year, Cincy, etc…). These big games failures have inevitably led to WAC collapses. The Wyoming bowl game really epitomized the Pat Hill era for me. Wyoming had no business being in that game but in usual Fresno fashon, the inferior team hung around. Even so, Fresno had an 11 pt lead in the 4th qtr. Of course they blew it. The 1st OT drive summed it all up for me: you have one of the BEST RBs in the nation on your team, and on 3rd and 4th down from the 1, he doesn’t touch the ball. Nice call.

I’ve said for years, “Nobody looks better almost beating BCS teams than Fresno St.”

by MooreWalksOnWater on Apr 3, 2010 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Lots of talent, play games close, crap pants in the 4th.
Rinse and repeat.

Losing big games in a horrible fashion, to anyone, anywhere— is weak.

Almost beating USC (Bush and Leinhart year) and then losing two WAC games…..
I would even forgive the comparison with Boise State (1-7, or so?), but Zero WAC championships? At least two WAC losses EVERY year?

I think we need a courtesy flush, please.

by ElPepeGrande on Apr 5, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of the.....

Texas vs USC Rose Bowl, when on 4th and 2 they hand the ball to Lendel White. Where is your Hiesman Trophey winner? ON THE SIDELINE?! Good brain fart there! Why do coaches go away from their best player in the biggest games? Seems like that’s why they are the best guy on the team, they make things happen when you really need big plays!

"I think I know what you guys are trying to say.....We need to build a space helicopter." Nathan Explosion

by forseyfan36 on Apr 5, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fresno's Window

Was slammed shut in 2001. They haven’t found a way to open it since.

BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.

by Belexes on Apr 4, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

for me

im just excited to see the little “dave megget” guy get venabled…or winstoned is it?

by Bobby Byram on Apr 5, 2010 6:59 AM PDT reply actions  

My 3 year old nephew says Vegetabled

So we stared saying " That’s a healthy dose of vitamin W!"

"I think I know what you guys are trying to say.....We need to build a space helicopter." Nathan Explosion

by forseyfan36 on Apr 5, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Underestimating RBs

I think you guys are underestimating Fresno State’s backfield. Think about it, haven’t Pat Hill’s ‘Dogs had one of the WAC’s best running backs literally every year of the past decade…?

This year will be no different, and I’d say it’s a tight battle for the top spot between Robbie Rouse and Mike Harris right now. Harris had just a handful of carries last year but has broken off 60-plus-yard runs in last year’s Spring Game and other scrimmage situations. He’s off to a nice start this spring. A.J. Ellis could be a change-of-pace guy as a more shifty back who might be best utilized in the passing game on screens.

The X-factor is Cal transfer Tracy Slocum, who’s been out at Spring Camp watching. He was a star (top 15 recruit) in 2006 at Clovis East HS before choosing Cal. Well, he’s now at Fresno City College taking classes and has been telling folks he’s walking on at Fresno State. If it happens, he’ll be in contention right away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcBGdgexX7M

Check out the latest Fresno State chatter on the Bulldog Bounce blog at http://www.BulldogBounce.blogspot.com.

by FSDogs1 on Apr 11, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

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