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The future of the WAC: Analysis of Karl Benson's comments on expansion and BSU

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WAC commissioner Karl Benson shared with Graham Watson his thoughts on his beloved conference in an interview that was at times revealing, abrupt, and guarded. He's like the Gary Bettman of NCAA conference commissioners.

Where is the WAC headed? Is expansion an option? How does Boise State fit into the conference's future plans? Join me after the jump for a spin around Karl Benson's comments share your thoughts about the WAC's future.

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An interview with Karl Benson

Many thanks to ESPN's Graham Watson for her interview with Benson and to reader givemesomemoore for posting the piece to the FanShots. Let's break down Benson's comments. Shall we?

The question: Have you guys looked at expanding your conference at all?

The answer: "... if I had my druthers, I would rather work with a 10-team league than a nine-team league."

The analysis: Someone give Karl Benson his druthers!

The WAC is a 9-team league as it stands today - or an 8.5-team league depending on how you classify San Jose State. If Benson were to get his wish, we would be talking about WAC expansion. So let's humor him.

Where might the WAC look? In the past, rumors have swirled about the possible additions of Big Sky schools from Division I-AA, rumors that Benson did not dispel when he referenced the Big Sky-to-WAC pipeline in his Graham Watson interview. If you look to the Big Sky, you need look no further than Montana. And if Montana is not your cup of tea, then maybe Montana State, Idaho State, Portland State, or Central Washington. Anyone I'm forgetting?

However, as simple as adding a Big Sky/FCS team might be, there is that pesky problem with the NCAA placing a moratorium on teams changing classifications through August 2011. So what current Division I-A schools might Karl Benson have eyes for? Here's a list:

  • North Texas (Sun Belt)
  • Louisiana-Lafayette (Sun Belt)
  • Louisiana Monroe (Sun Belt)
  • Pretty much any Mountain West school he can get
  • One of the C-USA teams that left the WAC (Tulsa, UTEP, Rice, SMU)

Assuming the Broncos stay in the WAC and the conference expands by one, which school would you like to see join the WAC?

The question: How do you prepare for (the possibility of Boise State leaving the WAC) and do you have to have pieces in place that can move if Boise State decides to leave?

The answer: "... history has always shown that there’s upward mobility in the West. Whether it was the Big West schools joining the WAC or the Big Sky schools joining the Big West that ultimately joined the WAC. All you have to do is look at the current WAC membership and see where they’ve been. History shows that there’s movement in the West."

The analysis: Benson seems to really like the idea of a Big Sky school joining the WAC. If college football conferences still exist in 2 years in any way similar to how they exist now, I would not be surprised at all if the WAC goes after Montana.

The question: Do you think if the Mountain West loses teams that your teams then become the natural next choices for the Mountain West?

The answer: "Or do the Mountain West teams become the next choices for the WAC?"

The analysis: Graham Watson got served.

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The question: How much have you been in contact with Boise State in terms of (their future plans)?

The answer: "... I would hope that if and when an invitation (to Boise State) comes that there would be an evaluation made that’s in the best interest of the university, and there would be recognition that the WAC has provided Boise State very well."

The analysis: Benson obviously feels like he has treated the Broncos very well during their WAC tenure. And in a lot of ways, he's right. The WAC has one of the best non-BCS television contracts, it has gone to bat for the Broncos to set up desirable bowl scenarios, and hires PR firms to help make the conference look better. What more could Benson do?

Boise State is certain to consider all of these factors in any decision to relocate. But in many ways, going from the WAC to another conference is not so much a matter of picking favorites as it is simply growing up. The Broncos have outgrown the WAC. And no amount of Friday night ESPN primetime games can change that.

The question: What is the next step for this conference to make it more attractive and give it that leg up?

The answer: "... I think the bottom line is that we need more top 50 teams from top to bottom and we need to eliminate the teams that are in the 90 to 120 range ..."

The analysis: Without a doubt, this is the biggest problem plaguing the WAC as a football conference. Benson makes a good point later on in his answer that the MWC has risen to prominence because it has fielded three Top 25 teams in the past two seasons. The WAC has Boise State and then nobody.

When Benson says "more top 50 teams," he might as well be saying "the Broncos and really anyone else at all, I'm not picky." The WAC is as top-heavy as top-heavy can be. For example:

Sagarin ratings

  • 5. Boise State
  • 59. Fresno State
  • 70. Nevada
  • 85. Idaho
  • 89. Louisiana Tech
  • 100. Utah State
  • 105. Hawaii
  • 138. San Jose State
  • 153. New Mexico State

Oddly enough, Montana comes in at No. 57.

Sadly enough, the WAC has more teams at 120-and-up than it does in the top 50.

Your turn

Should the WAC expand to 10 teams? What school would you like to see join the conference? Is competitiveness the WAC's biggest need? Share your thoughts in the comments.

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heck. might as well expand to twelve

bring in montana, montana state and idaho state.

seems to be the thing to do.

side note: i’m being facetious.

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Joe: Lose the arm? What do you mean, lose the arm? My arm?

by Grindhouse on Feb 26, 2010 8:17 AM PST reply actions  

The worst case scenario:

Utah, BYU and TCU leave the MWC. BSU Fresno and Nevada replace them in the MWC. Then we are stuck in the WAC 2.0 with a crappy TV contract, no national exposure and no automatic BCS bid.

by Finloopio on Feb 26, 2010 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

THUS

I think Benson is right about grabbing some MWC teams if the 3 powers leave from that conference. The TV contract is more attractive and as long as Boise State is still in the WAC, the conference teams would be more prestigious than those of the remaining MWC members. I say grab Air Force, Colorado State, UNLV and Wyoming. Boot New Mexico State (or La Tech for geographical reasons) giving the WAC 12 teams and leaving the remainder of the MWC and Craig Thompson to cry like babies. I think we could make a bid for AQ status within a few years with that lineup playing on ESPN Tuesday-Friday nights.

Agree? Disagree?

by Finloopio on Feb 26, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. but boot La Tech...

…for geographic reasons.

i don’t mind them, really, but it doesn’t make sense to go all the way to Louisianna to compete. they’d probably prefer to be in C-usa anyway (if c-usa would take them).

screw thompson. guy is an arrogant jerk. talking trash about BSU’s chances for undefeated seasons in mwc. it’d happen more often than he’d care to admit.

jerk.

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Joe: Lose the arm? What do you mean, lose the arm? My arm?

by Grindhouse on Feb 26, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Close call

I am not immediately impressed with that lineup, although it is a significant step up from current WAC competition. Do you see any of those new guys being ranked Top 25 within a few years? If that happens, then AQ status is more of a possibility.

Also up for debate: Whether ESPN Tuesday-Friday nights are a good thing. I prefer Saturday games myself.

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by Kevan Lee on Feb 26, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. Tues-Fri stinks

I am trying to make the best thing out of a poop sandwich of a situation should the three powers of the MWC leave for greener pastures. Best case is the AQ conferences realize they are fine just the way they are and we join the mountain west and make it an AQ conference of 10 schools.

by Finloopio on Feb 26, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

but

we won’t have a TV contract for saturday games, right? The only reason ESPN shows BSU games (unless they are against BCS opponents) is because they are on days where they don’t have lots of other games to show. If you want saturday games, you’ll end up with the mountain west’s contract.

by killtacular on Feb 27, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN Non-Saturday Games

I like Saturday games better, but I don’t live in Idaho. Therefore, if my choice is a Wednesday night game that I can see on ESPN or a Saturday game I have to watch a KTVB feed on the internet, I like Wednesday.

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by marktgarten on Feb 28, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It is easy to suggest removing a team from a conference....

But can anyone actually think of an example of it happening?

University presidents seem to like history, and throwing someone out of the conference doesn’t seem to be an option. Baylor, Washington St, half the Big 10, etc have terrible FB and BB results for decades, but no one inside the conference discussion seems to be willing to expell them.

The method to use if you don’t like teams in your conference is to create a new conference and control the initial invites. This is the way the MT West got rid of the crappy half of the WAC.

by ElPepeGrande on Feb 26, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

temple used to be in the big east, right?

and they got the boot. now in c-usa.

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by Grindhouse on Feb 26, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

WAC plus cherry-picked bottom of the MW....

Will never get AQ status.

Frosting on an turd is not a cupcake.

The solution might be to create a new conference, cherry pick both the MW and WAC. If you line up the two conferences, you can keep regional rivalries, maintain recruiting options in CA and TX, and put together 10 teams that could compete for AQ status with an ESPN contract from day one.

Boise State
Fresno
Nevada
Hawaii

San Diego St
BYU
Utah
Colorado State
TCU
UNLV

Teams are better top to bottom than the ACC and Big East, with four BCS teams.
Lots of bowl tie ins.
Recuiting and TV in every market in the West.
Fans get a trip to Reno or Vegas every year and Hawaii every other.

Boise State then plays Idaho in Bronco Stadium each year as a non conference game—another sellout.
With an auto AQ birth, a second place team from this conference could be the occasional BCS birth—more money for the new conference.

by ElPepeGrande on Feb 26, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

you might even be able to add...

two more teams to get the Championship game.
For example, would Colorado consider joining a conference like this one? And then have Colorado/Colorado St as a conference rivalry?

by ElPepeGrande on Feb 26, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

i highly doubt colorado would leave big 12 (pac 12???) for this set up

unless it was aq.

would be pretty cool though.

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Joe: Lose the arm? What do you mean, lose the arm? My arm?

by Grindhouse on Feb 26, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice

 no Idaho. this looks excellent to me

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by BoiseState on Feb 26, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Montana to D1?

They are a great small program, but do they really think that they can compete with Oregon and Boise State in the recruiting/funding wars? Does the entire state of Montana have the population to compete in the funding arms race?

Selling out a little stadium is one thing, but adding additional FB scholarships, plus an equal number of female title 9 scholarships…..it gets really expensive really fast. Indoor practice facilites, upgraded weight rooms, chartered flights to games…… it isn’t getting cheaper.

Ask the U of I. The arrogance to think they would be able to steal Pac 10 recruits (instead of cleaning up the kids who didn’t make the Pac 10 roster) is silly. Look at the issues Boise State has in generating money in a small stadium with expensive seats. If a Pac 10 school has reservations about coming to Boise—-do you really think they will travel to Montana? Ever? Or Moscow, for that matter??

I wonder if the professors who will be on furlough at Idaho like that the FB program is using money the university doesn’t have —-since there are empty seats at every home game. Akey’s press conference to announce his raise is going to need a courtesy flush.

In today’s climate, being king of 1AA with a balanced budget seems better than bleeding money to sit at the middle/bottom of the WAC. Would you rather be Idaho or Montana right now?

by ElPepeGrande on Feb 26, 2010 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

very interesting and good points

i think you’re right. cost/benefit analysis doesn’t look good to come up when the payoff stinks. they’d be depending on the money brought in from bsu’s multi bcs bowl berths/national titles.

course, knowing the make up of the wac, who’s to say montana wouldn’t be in the top half, if not 2nd place? they could probably already beat: SJSU, USU, NMST, dUI, Hawaii, maybe la tech (big maybe). doubtful for nevada and fresno. obviously not bsu. :)

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by Grindhouse on Feb 26, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Montana State, Idaho State, Portland State, or Central Washington. Anyone I’m forgetting?

 Perhaps Eastern Washington? They are getting a red turf after all..

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by BoiseState on Feb 26, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Idaho State

Among many other issues for Idaho State would be Holt Arena. Holt Arena only holds 12,000 people max. 3,000 off of the NCAA requirements.

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by JRig on Feb 26, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Also.

We went 1-11 last season. Nothing to brag about.

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by Loque on Feb 26, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

your also supposed to average 15,000 fans a game in fbs football.

i don’t think utah state averages that.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 28, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Montana moving up is a good move, perception wise, for the WAC.

It is already viewed as Boise State and 8 High School teams. Adding another so called “high school” team only adds fuel to the ignorance fire.

Likewise, adding UNT or Rice seems as though the WAC would be saying that turning around and re-tracing its steps is a novel idea. Perhaps re-tracing back to when BYU and ASU were in the WAC is in order in that case. Where’s my DeLorean?

I’d say SMU is the school to invite. Whether you love him or hate him, June Jones does a good job at turning programs around. He knows the WAC. SMU now is TCU ten years ago, with the same TV and recruiting area, but bigger fanbase and more boosters. Plus, Craig James is a an SMU alum. Wouldn’t it be great to demoralize his alma mater every year? It will be fun for all involved.

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by Mikrino on Feb 26, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

agree

SMU is the best bet of those to add, if they’d even want to (which I kinda doubt they would). I’m a Rice alum and I’d say there is no way they’d want to leave CUSA to rejoin the WAC, and UNT is one of the worst programs in all of college football.

by killtacular on Feb 27, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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