Potential vs. production: An in-depth breakdown of Boise State's overachieving roster
Boise State has been one of the nation's best at making the most out of the players they have. Don't believe me? I have charts!
Join me after the jump for a look at Boise State's past recruiting classes and how those players will be ranked when their careers were through. What position do you think made the biggest jump from promise to production? Share your thoughts in the comments about the player ratings and the results.
The inspiration
I owe Georgia blogger David Hale all the credit for coming up with this idea and Senator Blutarsky for pointing me in Hale's direction. Oh, to be a Georgia fan and have posts like this every day in the offseason.
Hale wrote a two-part post on how Georgia recruiting classes have fared on their progression from promise to production. At the end, Hale was able to draw conclusions on recruiting rankings, Georgia players, and the strengths of the Bulldog coaching staff. I don't know if I will be that ambitious in this post, but I'll at least make some fancy charts. Fancier than David Hale's? Quite possibly!
The methodology
I went through the Boise State recruiting classes from 2004 to 2008 and copied down the Rivals' star ratings and the Scout.com star ratings for each player. There were some discrepancies between the two sites, most notably in the ratings but also in the players involved and their positions.
To come up with the career ratings for the Bronco recruits, I stayed as true as possible to the system that Hale used for his Georgia analysis. Here it is:
1-star: A guy who came and went without any significant production of any kind. A career bench guy, career-ending injury case or someone booted from the team.
2-star: A player who was serviceable at times but whose primary contributions came in reserve or special teams duty.
3-star: A regular starter for at least a year or two, but never someone who routinely affected the outcome of the game.
4-star: A regular starter for at least two seasons who was among the better players in the conference at his position. A difference-maker, but not a superstar.
5-star: Game-changers who had significant impacts for at least two seasons and, in general, went on to be legitimate NFL prospects.
Some of the players that you will see on the list below have not completed their Boise State careers yet (or even started their careers in some instances). For these players, I made a judgment call on where I thought they might end up. I am completely open to debate on these decisions.
Not up for debate: Giving Marty Tadman a 6-star rating even though there is no such thing.
Boise State recruiting class ratings from promise to production
The 2004 recruiting class
| 2004 | Pos | Rivals Ranking | Scout Ranking | Career Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bryon Barmer | DB | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Sean Bingham | DE | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Tanyon Bissell | WR | 1 | 2 | |
| Joe Bozikovich | DT | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Ryan Clady | OL | 2 | 2 | 5 |
| Jameson Davis | K | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Dallas Dobbs | LB | 2 | 3 | |
| Philip Edwards | DE | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Cameron Filkins | DT | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Toshi Franklin | WR | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Kyle Gingg | LB | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Jon Gott | OL | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| Bush Hamdan | QB | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Julian Hawkins | TE | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Casey Herron | LB | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Ian Johnson | RB | 2 | 2 | 5 |
| Micah Kormylo | OL | 2 | 1 | |
| Marcosus LeBlanc | DB | 3 | 3 | 1 |
| Chris O'Neill | TE | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Ellis Powers | DB | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Rashaad Richards | ATH | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Nick Schlekeway | DE | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| David Shields | RB | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Joshua Smith | WR | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Marty Tadman | ATH | 3 | 3 | 5 |
| Tim Volk | DE | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Mike Williams | DE | 2 | 4 | |
| Andrew Woodruff | OL | 2 | 2 | 4 |
Notes:
- I had no idea who some of these people were. Hence, 1s for all of them.
- As you will see through the rest of these ratings, I left in all the players who may have transferred or never even shown up in Bronco camp. David Hale did not do his list this way. We are so like the Odd Couple!
- Anyone remember Marcosus LeBlanc? Other than Tadman, LeBlanc was the Rivals' only 3-star recruit.
- Ian Johnson and Ryan Clady going from 2-star to 5-star is a pretty impressive feat in my book.
- I wanted very badly to give Ellis Powers a 4-star career rating, but he just didn't start enough games.
- Sigh. Bush Hamdan.
The 2005 recruiting class
| 2005 | Pos | Rivals Ranking | Scout Ranking | Career Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Richie Brockel | TE | 2 | 2 | 5 |
| Jeremy Childs | WR | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Jadon Dailey | OL | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Jameson Davis | K | 2 | 1 | |
| Dennis Ellis | DE | 2 | 4 | 3 |
| Cameron Filkins | OL | 2 | 1 | |
| Aiona Key | ATH | 3 | 2 | 2 |
| Nick Lomax | QB | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Paul Lucariello | OL | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Tristin Patin | WR | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Jerard Rabb | WR | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Orlando Scandrick | WR | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Matt Schweitzer | TE | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Kyle Seevers | QB | 3 | 3 | 1 |
| Nathan Thomas | LB | 3 | 2 | 1 |
| Kyle Wilson | DB | 2 | 2 | 5 |
Notes:
- The Brockel-Wilson class was quite top heavy. Scandrick and Childs were the only other four stars I saw.
- Should Jadon Dailey have been higher than a 3-star for his career? I remember him being good, but "difference-maker" just didn't seem to fit.
- Sigh. Nick Lomax. Kellen Moore is really killing these QB career ratings for everyone else.
- Safe to say that Jeremy Childs lived up to his expectations?
- Safe to say that Dennis Ellis did not?
The 2006 recruiting class
| 2006 | Pos | Rivals Ranking | Scout Ranking | Career Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Derrell Acrey | LB | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Ben Chandler | LB | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Mike Coughlin | QB | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| Kyle Efaw | TE | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Tommy Gallarda | TE | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Jarvis Hodge | RB | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Jeron Johnson | DB | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Will Lawrence | DE | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| David Lowery | K | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Xavier Lucas | WR | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Keith McGowen | DB | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Nate Potter | OL | 2 | 2 | 5 |
| Kapono Rawlins-Crivello | DE | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Jason Robinson | ATH | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Kevin Sapien | OL | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Matt Slater | OL | 1 | 3 | |
| Sione Tavake | DT | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Garrett Tuggle | LB | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Webster Patrick | RB | 2 | 1 |
Notes:
- Nate Potter is on the Ryan Clady NFL career fast track. Am I being too kind in giving him a 5-star career rating?
- I might be a little too kind on Efaw as well, but I think he will be one of the Broncos' best tight ends by the end of his career.
- Again with the underproductive QB. I did not remember Mike Coughlin being a 3-star recruit.
- It killed me a little inside to give Jarvis Hodge a career rating of 1.
- Anyone know the story on Kapono Rawlins-Crivello?
The 2007 recruiting class
| 2007 | Pos | Rivals Ranking | Scout Ranking | Career Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chase Baker | DT | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Mitch Burroughs | RB | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Thomas Byrd | OL | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Garcia Day | DB | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| Brad Elkin | K | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| Cedric Febis | DB | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| DJ Harper | RB | 3 | 2 | 4 |
| Chuck Hayes | DE | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Matt Kaiserman | RB | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Doug Martin | RB | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Shea McClellin | DE | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Kellen Moore | QB | 3 | 4 | 5 |
| Antwan Murray | DB | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| JP Nisby | OL | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Dan Paul | LB | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Garrett Pendergast | DT | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Austin Pettis | WR | 3 | 3 | 5 |
| Jarrell Root | DE | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Aaron Tevis | ATH | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Brandyn Thompson | WR | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Johnny Tivao | DT | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Dominique Vinson | ATH | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Zach Waller | OL | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Hunter White | WR | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Billy Winn | DE | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Titus Young | ATH | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Cory Yriarte | OL | 2 | 2 | 2 |
Notes:
- I felt bad giving Chase Baker a 3-star rating, but I see him as 1b to Billy Winn's 4-star 1a. Maybe that will change before Baker's career is through? I just see too much talent on the D-line to give Baker time to become that game-changer that a 4-star would necessitate.
- A 4-star for Brandyn Thompson assumes that we will get the good Fiesta Bowl Brandyn Thompson and not the bad Fiesta Bowl Brandyn Thompson.
- I was also pretty generous with Aaron Tevis in giving him a 4-star rating. My thinking: I would have given 4 stars to Colt Brooks, and I think Brooks and Tevis will end up being the same player.
- I have no idea why Hunter White is listed as WR.
- Funny, I didn't remember Kellen Moore being a Scout.com 4-star when he was recruited.
- A very deep, very solid class all around. If Garcia Day can be a unanimous 3-star coming in and end his career as a borderline 2-star, this class has it going on.
The 2008 recruiting class
| 2008 | Pos | Rivals Ranking | Scout Ranking | Career Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Michael Atkinson | DT | 1 | 3 | |
| Van Drumgoole | WR | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Bronson Durrant | OL | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Spencer Gerke | DE | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Greg Grimes | DT | 3 | 2 | 2 |
| Byron Hout | LB | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| George Iloka | ATH | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Tyler Jackson | DB | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| Joe Kellogg | OL | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Chandler Koch | TE | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Darren Koontz | OL | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Raphiel Lambert | RB | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| Daron Mackey | LB | 2 | 4 | 3 |
| Brenel Myers | OL | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Chris Potter | ATH | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| Tommy Smith | LB | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Jack Sula | RB | 2 | 1 | |
| Tom Swanson | OL | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Jamar Taylor | DB | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Faraji Wright | OL | 2 | 2 | 3 |
Notes:
- I was very close to not including this class because it is so early in these players' careers.
- A lot of pure guesses on this one. Hopefully Tyler Jackson will be motivated by his 2-star.
- I didn't put any players down as 5-stars because I really have no idea which ones will become the next Cladys and Wilsons. Maybe Brenel Myers? He was the closest in my mind.
- It's a shame that Mackey has had so many injury problems in his BSU career. I wanted so badly for him to be a 4-star.
Macrostats!
The numbers above are interesting enough (and debatable enough), but let me add another layer by totaling up each class and position. First, with the classes.
As you can see in the chart below, the Broncos' best recruiting class by a pretty good margin was its 2007 class. Not only that, the 2007 class also saw the second-highest jump from promise to production during this five-year period. As for 2006, shame on you!
| Year | Rivals | Scout | Career | Avg Diff |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | 2.00 | 1.75 | 2.54 | 0.66 |
| 2005 | 2.44 | 2.25 | 2.38 | 0.03 |
| 2006 | 2.05 | 2.00 | 2.00 | -0.02 |
| 2007 | 2.25 | 2.29 | 2.89 | 0.62 |
| 2008 | 2.05 | 2.35 | 2.25 | 0.05 |
The position review is interesting, too. Tight ends and offensive linemen had the biggest jumps from recruiting potential to on-field production. QBs and RBs were two of the three positions that saw a decline.
| Position | Rivals | Scout | Career | Avg Diff |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| DB | 2.39 | 2.33 | 2.56 | 0.20 |
| DL | 2.09 | 2.09 | 2.27 | 0.18 |
| K | 2.52 | 2.52 | 1.82 | -0.70 |
| LB | 2.17 | 2.17 | 2.33 | 0.16 |
| OL | 1.91 | 1.68 | 2.64 | 0.85 |
| QB | 2.60 | 2.80 | 2.20 | -0.50 |
| RB | 1.89 | 1.78 | 2.56 | -0.73 |
| TE | 2.14 | 2.14 | 3.14 | 1.00 |
| WR | 2.33 | 2.50 | 2.50 | 0.08 |
Conclusions
A lot of these rankings are subjective due to the random nature of scouting for non-BCS teams. David Hale's Georgia story probably worked better because the players he was rating came in with more career-type stars. Nevertheless, I think it is very interesting to see which players made good on their promise and which ones exceeded expectations with the Broncos.
Not only that, but the position rankings show that Boise State does a solid job of turning offensive linemen into stars and in squelching career aspirations for one-fourth of its QB recruits. I think that some of this information is tainted by the fact that lineman naturally tend to come in with lower star ratings because they are harder to project, and QBs and RBs have higher ratings because they are the easiest to watch and judge. Still, kudos to the Bronco line coaches for making some legendary players out of some fairly average recruits.
Your turn
What do you make of these ratings? Are there some players from the recruiting classes that you would have ranked differently? Are you surprised by the rise and fall by position and by class? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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would the qb scores be higher...
if bsu started a new qb every year? that’d be one way to skew the rankings.
Dr. William Block: You gotta lose the arm, Joe.
Joe: Lose the arm? What do you mean, lose the arm? My arm?
Missing walk-ons or late scholarship offers
Avery was a late scholarship offer with no Rivals or Scout ratings. Ryan Winterswyk was a walk-on. Safety Travis Stanaway and WR Tyler Shoemaker were late offers with no ratings and LB J.C. Percy was a walk-on.
In my opinion Winterswyk is a no-doubt 5-star and Avery is close. Shoemaker is a borderline 3-star and Stanaway is a solid 2. Percy has a chance to be a 5.
by statguy on Feb 19, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good info, statguy
I agree with your ratings on all the players except maybe Percy. I’m not sure that the depth of the Bronco LBs will give him a chance to become a 5.
"Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future, I'd say." - Roger Johnson
Just for the record, I’m not the one that denied Doug Martin a 5 star rating, … should he ask.
by TitoRay on Feb 19, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Unfair to Ellis-he was juco transfer
gave su 2 good years incl great play in fiesta I although he was a thief
tvmunson
so the rankings are just what they did in college, right?
the only reason i ask is, scandrick did start three years (right? as a true frosh?) and just left early to play for dallas (where he’s doing all right).
Dr. William Block: You gotta lose the arm, Joe.
Joe: Lose the arm? What do you mean, lose the arm? My arm?
DJ Harper 4, Doug Martin 4
I’m guessing you gave these guys a 4 because Doug Harper was rated a 6?
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
diss on JJ
Kevan,
I agree with most of your rankings, and also major kudos to you for putting in the time and effort to get this done. Great job! I do have one major disagreement with Jeron Johnson’s career ranking. I think he deserves 5 stars, especially related to how the team has performed when he has been injured. If memory serves me right (which at my age primarily serves me wrong!), just about every game he missed during the 2007 season was either a loss or a close win that shouldn’t have been close. I would rate him as a “game-changer” for that reason, and also for his huge hits, many of which have tipped momemtum in the Broncos’ favor.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A DO-OVER RANKING CONSIDERATION FOR MY HOMEY JERON!!
How about it, fellow OBNUGer’s? Don’t worry about hurting my feelings; my wife keeps my self-esteem at such a low level, I don’t have any feelings to hurt!
by typhoonblue on Feb 19, 2010 12:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I am admittedly probably too harsh on Jeron Johnson..
..and I certainly rank him lower than most Bronco fans. I think 4 is about right, but I don’t think he is near the 5 range. If he shows next year that he can continue to avoid penalties at inopportune times he can move up the scale. He is an important part of the defense, but there are others than I think are more irreplaceable.
Someone before had mentioned that BSU performs better with Jeron on the field so I had looked into it. In 2007, he played in 2 of the 3 losses. He had 4 assisted tackles at UW and 4 total tackles in the bowl game against ECU. He did not play against Hawaii and he also did not play in the 69-67 marathon against Nevada, a blowout against NMSU and a 14 point win over LaTech. His replacements, Austin Smith & Ellis Powers had 5 & 6 tackles respectively versus Hawaii and 13 & 2 tackles apiece against Nevada.
The only game he missed in 2008 was against NMSU and he didn’t miss a game in 2009.
I think Jeron brings a toughness to the secondary that had been missing from the past years’ defense. His play can light up a highlight reel and change the momentum of a game, but his aggressiveness also leads to over pursuit and missed assignments.
He deserves to be a “4”, if not just for the intimidation he instills on opposing offenses, but I don’t think he has reached the “5” level at this point. Hopefully his senior year proves me wrong.
"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."
I absolutely agree, Jeron Johnson should be a five. If the criteria for a five star is two years of significant production as a starter, while also being a legit NFL prospect. I’m almost positive #23 has led the team in tackles the last two seasons, and is he not expected to to be a good candidate for the NFL Draft if his production continues?
This is a bit off topic but
has anyone ever found out what happened with Esperanza H.S.’s (Anaheim Hills, CA) Sean Avila commitment. It seems like he just dropped off the radar. I have tried to research the issue to find out what the problem was but have never been able to find any information.
Rawlins-Crivello
Anyone know the story on Kapono Rawlins-Crivello?
He’s playing for the Warriors now as a walk-on DE. The Honolulu Advertiser (and Tom Scott) reported back in early August 2009 that he was attempting to play at Hawaii. Listed his reason for leaving Boise State was to take care of his mother, a cancer survivor. In January he was cleared to play for UH.
In his spare time he is learing about taro.
very nice work Kevan!
Great idea for an article and well executed.
Continued efforts through the offseason to educate and entertain.
Is it too early (in his career) to vote Kevan into the OBNUG Hall of Fame?
and build a statue out front for future generations to marvel at?
by ElPepeGrande on Feb 19, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Scandrick a 5
5-star: Game-changers who had significant impacts for at least two seasons and, in general, went on to be legitimate NFL prospects.
By this definition Scandrick has to be a 5. The 2005 Hawaii game would have been lost had he not run back a blocked PAT (a feat he repeated in the 2006 Hawaii game) and a blocked FG. Left with a school record seven blocked kicks, including the school’s single-season record with four blocked kicks in 2007.
He was named second-team Freshman All-America by Scout.com and honorable mention Freshman All-America by the Sporting News in 2005.
I’m just saying. . .
graphs and pie-charts?
I need some graphs and pie-charts and visual aids to wrap my head around these numbers.
Wait, why is
nate potter in 2006 and 2007?
Dr. William Block: You gotta lose the arm, Joe.
Joe: Lose the arm? What do you mean, lose the arm? My arm?
well
I’d say Scandrick rates a 5, but Brockel rates a 4 (he was awesome, and all, but a 5?)
Brockel a solid # 5
I think you need to consider intangible factors into these rankings, and if so, Brockel’s off and on field leadership had a significant impact on the Broncos’ fortunes over the last two years of his playing career. He also mentored Dan Paul so well, that Paul was able to step in after Brockel’s injury and provide a seamless transition at the FB position. Don’t take my word for it; just listen to all of Paul’s interviews after e started “carrying the flag” for Brockel. Paul spent most of these interview giving credit to Brockel. He definitely deserves a 5 ranking!

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