if byu and utah leave. re-invite tcu and go from there.

if all of those three are gone, then rob air force, csu and… we’ll say… i guess wyoming. that makes more sense.

I’d say were closer to the western mountain region of the country, than the Pacific.
also,……. Damn. TCU is in the MWC aren’t they!? …… ….. .. Good thing we kicked butt in the Fiesta bowl!! and, it’s a good thing Jerry Hughes is gone.

Why do I get the feeling that Boise State is gonna be the program that gets shafted in all this? Maybe the pac10 will take Fresno State to really pour salt in the wound… Man, the pac10 would be so fun… Washington, Oregon, Oregon State would consistently be epic rivalry type battles.

Guess I will just have to continue to swallow the pill of watching us destroy jr. high teams and 1 game regular seasons.

1. Lost is awsome. Jacob vs Esau? Is Sayid really Sayid? I’m so Lost.

2. Where did you find that picture of Greg Graham? And can I use it for my new Facebook page: Fire Greg Graham

3. If all these changes happen, The MWC would be a latteral move, not a step up. I’m not even sure the PAC-10 would be good for us. I believe we will see a playoff system sooner than later, and the best way for us to get into that playoff would be for us to be in the WAC, not the PAC 10. IMHO

I think the academic aspect is true in the sense that the Pac 10 will see Boise State as inferior. My son attends Oregon State. I honestly do not beleive he would have received a “lesser” undergraduate education at Boise State bc I beleive the faculty at all degree granting institutions is sufficiently high that a quality undergraduate education is availble virtually everywhere. The elite academic isntitutions make their reputations on their graduate/professional programs and the high profile academics eho teach very selective groups. A large protion of classes are cattle calls instructed by grad students and “gypsry” professors and this is true at Boise State, Penn State and Harvard. But what is is. No sense wasting time dreaming about Pac 10 IMO. As for the remaining discussion I hope for our entry into a strong MWC at soem point but am not optimistic.

Interesting idea of the WAC poaching MWC leftovers rather than the other way around. The WAC certainly appears to have a better TV contract. I would think the Big XII would have the same concerns about BYU that the PAC-10 presumably has – playing on Sundays. That would lead to TCU going to the Big XII.

If the MWC loses two teams, they could poach up to 5 teams to fill out their conference. I like that outcome for BSU better than the WAC trying to pick up 3 MWC teams. Would BYU even come to the WAC or stay in a depleted MWC?

Potential MWC
BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, Utah State, Hawaii

Potential WAC
Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, Utah State, Hawaii, Idaho, New Mexico State, La Tech, SJ State, BYU, Air Force, UNLV

If I had to choose, I would prefer the MWC scenario. It is teams like Idaho, New Mexico State and San Jose State that should be worried about the repercussions of PAC-10 expansion.

Not saying this because I like the MWC and that is my site. However, lets say Utah and BYU leave the MWC to either the Pac-10 or the Pac-10 and Big XII it would be in the 2012 football season. So all of the rankings for the MWC would be for all current members as of today and Boise if they join for the 2011 season, and that would be enough to get the MWC to an auto BCS bid for the next four year cycle. After that it might not be enough unless one other MWC school can crack the top 25 consistently. I think it would still be a good idea for that to happen, the MWC would then be an 8 team league.

At least for another 30-40 years.

They pioneered the MWC, I don’t see them leaving, especially with AQ status potentially waiting in the wings. TCU could easily jump ship, because let’s face it, they’ve been conference hopping for the last 15-20 years or so. Utah, I guess it makes sense? I could see them in the PAC10. But Colorado? Why leave the BIGXII? I suppose they might be able to be a bit more competitive if they switched, I just don’t see that being very realistic.

Personally if the powers of the MWC decide to abandon the conference I would be surprised. I would think Boise State would immediately change their minds about moving. It would essentially be the “new WAC” but with “old” WAC teams. Nothing would change.

Also, I don’t see why Boise State is such a stretch for the PAC10. There is nothing to convince me that Wazzu or Oregon State is more qualified than Boise State.

The only scenario which would favor BSU’s inclusion into the MWC is if after the dust settles on any PAC 10 expansion, TCU and BYU remain as is. BSU replacing Utah would keep the MWC at or higher than its current status, and BCS inclusion would stay on track. Joining the MWC under any other circumstances would make no sense.

Think about it.

Sure, opposing fans laugh at the level of competition, but so do we. So called “analysts” and “experts” constantly talk down the legitimacy of the Broncos because of the WAC, but Boise State still finished this season in the top 5 and still has ongoing buzz to be a contender for the National Title next season. All the while playing in the lowly WAC.

Sure they say there may be a handful of teams in the country that could repeat Boise State’s last decade had they played in the WAC as well, but those teams are still named Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, and so on. Fresno State couldn’t do it. Utah, BYU, & TCU haven’t been able to do it in a supposedly superior, but realistically similar conference.

The WAC may have been, and may still be holding back the praise the Broncos rightfully deserve, but they also have been, and are proving that they don’t care about that, or conference affiliation, or “analysts”, or opposing teams’ fans. They care about one thing and one thing only… winning.

And the WAC has provided a vehicle for the Broncos to do just that, win.

Athletics be damned its just plain elitism.

Nothing better than a good ol’ Lost party on Tuesday nights! Reading one of the theories above about the “alternate reality/side ways” flashes really being flash forwards. That makes sense, all except if Jack is the only one to escape the island, how would he go back in time over 3 years to get on the plane? I know there are time differences on the island compared to off it, as seen when Faraday had the package shot to the island. It seems as though a lot of Lost fans read this blog. Anyone up for a Lost fanpost to discuss?

About the possible conference changes. If Utah, BYU, and TCU are no longer in the MWC. Boise needs to avoid going to the MWC at all costs. There is no point. I don’t like the whole idea of a conference championship either. Although, it could mean that we end up with a 14-0 record before a bowl game? Who knows. I also agree that in this whole conference shuffle stuff, Boise is going to completely get left out. Then all the analysts will be saying that Boise did nothing to try to move to a better conference, because they want to stay in the WAC where they can constantly win. So, imo, this whole situation isn’t going to go over well in terms of Boise coming out of it in good condition.

BSU does not have anywhere near the educational clout to move to the PAC 10. MWC maybe, but definitely not the PAC 10.

Idaho has a better shot at making a PAC 10 switch.

Missouri might not be the only team the Big 10 is looking at. He told me they are looking at Pitt also. Granted the Big 10 won’t take both, but it sure does through another scenario in the mix. Off season speculation is so much fun.

Every single way I look at this whole situation, Boise State football loses. For one, they not going to end up in the PAC-10. Their academics are horrible and the athletic program (besides football) is worse. I for one do not want to go to the Mountain West, especially if the lose the top two or three teams. If Utah and BYU get picked up by the PAC-10, the Big 10 will add a team from the Big 12 and the Big 12 will add TCU. The Big East will then try to expand to keep up with the other conferences adding the top teams from Conference USA such as East Carolina, Houston, and Tulsa. After all that, Boise State is left out in the cold. While every other good mid-major team is taken care of, the flagship program of the non-BCS teams is left out. We could even have a national title by then. Finally, going to the MWC would do absolutely nothing if the top three teams left. We would have far better competition in the WAC. I agree with what someone said earlier, we should go Independent.

One thing is for certain; the MWC will try to nail down Utah’s position on the PAC-10 as soon as humanly possible. Since the MWC would want to move on a Boise this year, they would need to be able to tell BSU what the future holds. It’s a win-win for Utah. If they stay put, adding Boise would certainly gain AQ status and they’d enjoy the revenue bump. (Even without Boise, the MWC may very well make it, but it’s really close.) If they move, they go into an AQ conference and get a revenue bump. So if Utah stays, MWC expansion plans will follow Utah’s preferences. That’s the price the MWC is likely looking at right now.

The big danger for Utah is that, while they’re clearly a big fish in the MWC, they would be perceived as a middle-of-the-pack school in the PAC-10 behind USC, Oregon, probably Cal, and maybe UCLA.

For Utah, this decision may hinge more on non-football sports, where the difference is much more noticeable.

Good to know they were only joking around before.

With conferences expanding or planning to expand all around us, I would be really surprised if we do not get an invite to the MWC. If the PAC 10 expands to 12 teams the general consensus is that they would take BYU and Utah; the Big 10 could take a Big 12 team causing the Big 12 (TCU’s dream conference) to add TCU…or the Big 10 could decide to invite TCU.

The MWC upper tier teams (i.e. BYU, Utah, and TCU) are on some BCS conferences short list of expansion teams…I believe that the MWC commissioner is going to feel the pressure at the possibility of having their conference strip-mined for talent (much like they did to the WAC…karma?); I believe that this will force them to add BSU in order to have another talented team in place while they brace for teams that could bailout of the MWC.

…that being said…I believe that we would still be better off in a watered down MWC than the WAC. Playing Wyoming, UNLV, Colorado St., Air Force, San Diego St., and New Mexico (the less gay New Mexico team)…would be an improvement from our current schedule….especially if the MWC also adds Fresno and Houston.

I would really like to see the MWC disband of die. Karl Benson, as much as we ridicule him, has made the WAC what is today after handling the great BYU coupe of ‘99. I know it’s not all tops, but it ain’t the Sun Belt, MAC, or C-USA. He deserves some credit for what he’s done and I hope it’s not his undoing for providing that support.

So, if Utah, BYU, and/or TCU leave the MWC, I say, “Let it burn. BUURRRRNNN!”