Embrace the bias: A new look Top 25 inspired by prejudice
by Nick Kroes on Oct 4, 2010 1:06 PM PDT
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PrintAs you may have heard around these parts, Boise State dropped from No. 3 to No. 4 this week after a 59-0 win over WAC opponent New Mexico State. I know that this seems illogical to this point as Boise State has played a pretty decent schedule so far.
Yes, Boise State is being judged against a schedule that they haven't even played yet. Everyone knows that biases about previous seasons or schedules to date shouldn't come into play, but they do. It's impossible under the current system to avoid them. So, I say let's embrace these biases! I think it will ultimately be better for the long term mental health of Boise State fans.
With that in mind, I propose a new-look Top 25 that fully embraces bias and BCS inequity. Let me know what you think.
The Reasoning
There was a lot of talk about Boise State's fall in the polls across the Interwebs yesterday. It all had the same line of reasoning. This was inevitable.
George Schroeder summed it up well:
So, if this is inevitable, why stop there?
My Plan For Voters
Since this is the case, here is my suggestion:
Rank Boise State behind every team that they would finish behind if said team were to go undefeated.
This is the same logic that every voter is already using. I say instead of trying to deny our biases, we might as well embrace them. Who cares what Boise State does early in the season? The voters don't. They have short memories. Who cares how strong the SEC, Big XII, Big 10, Pac 10 really is in any given year? Teams from those conferences will end up getting the nod over Boise State based on reputation alone.
On the flip side, how annoying is it to watch your team win 59-0 and then fall a spot in the polls? Did that make your Sunday more enjoyable? Imagine Boise State shooting up the polls each week as teams from AQ conferences start taking themselves out. It would be like the good ol' days!
This line of thinking is rampant anyways. Herbstreit mentioned on GameDay a few weeks ago that Boise State has peaked at No. 3. If Boise State can't guarantee that they end the season ranked at No. 3, then why be ranked there at any point during the season?
We're ending up at the same ranking at the end of the season anyways, this path is just a more honest way of getting there (and potentially less painful).
The Brutally Honest Top 25
With this reasoning in place, let's take a crack at how the Top 25 would look this week. Here's how I see it.,
- Alabama -- Right now everyone perceives that they are the best team in the best conference. You know what they say about perception.
- Auburn -- If they run the table and beat Alabama, I think they'd jump Ohio State.
- LSU -- Ditto for LSU. They're ranked behind Auburn because of Les Miles and his time management skills, however wins over Auburn and Alabama would surely propel them.
- Ohio State -- I was going to place Oregon ahead and then I remembered last year's Rose Bowl and that voters will eventually use this to justify Ohio State staying ahead.
- Oregon -- The media loves them even if their schedule has been pretty weak so far.
- Oklahoma -- Even if the Big XII is weak, they still have Oklahoma written across their chests.
- Nebraska -- They lost Suh but everyone is in love with them. Probably because they play in the Big XII North.
- Arizona -- They're still riding their win over Iowa. Just forget about the 1-point win over Cal last week.
- Michigan State -- A win over Ohio State would give them a great boost late in the season.
- Michigan -- Same thing for Michigan.
- Oklahoma State -- They have a shiny 4-0 record and play in the Big XII.
- Missouri -- Another Big XII team with a shiny 4-0 record.
- Kansas State -- and again.
- Florida -- Let's be honest, if Florida makes it to the SEC Championship game with one loss and beats Alabama, they're passing Boise State.
- South Carolina -- Same reasoning for SC. Luckily they're in the SEC East and have a shot at Florida and possibly the SEC Championship.
- Northwestern -- Yep, they play in the Big 10.
- Iowa -- I originally had them lower, but a win over Ohio State late would probably propel them past Boise State.
- Wisconsin -- Same thing here for Wisconsin.
- Boise State -- This is where I think they'd fall.
- TCU -- I think TCU would finish behind Boise State, but I'm sure voters could find a way to rationalize TCU over Boise State.
- Utah -- A win over TCU might even boost Utah over Boise State.
- Arkansas -- I would put them higher but it would take 2 losses by Alabama for Arkansas to make the SEC Championship game and get the boost they'd need.
- Nevada -- Don't even think an undefeated season and a win over Boise State would help them pass a 1 loss Arkansas.
- Miami -- Don't think a 1 loss ACC team would pass an undefeated Boise State, TCU, or Utah.
- Florida State -- Ditto.
Your turn
Do you agree with my hypothetical rankings? Do you think this type of ranking would lower you stress levels on Sundays? What are your thoughts?
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Yes, if all of those teams were to finish undefeated (we know they all won’t, some play each other) then I think you are just about right with where Boise State would end up, give or take a few spots. I also like your reasoning in the post. If the voters don’t think the Broncos are that good anyway, then ranking them third was just a nice present for winning the Fiesta Bowl last year, right? I wonder how many truly believe Boise State could beat all of the teams ranked behind them right now. As logical as your reasoning is, it seems Broncos fans will have to just live with how voters think of the team. It’s tough, but life goes on. Besides, knee-jerk reactions are asinine. The same people freaking out about Boise State dropping in the polls, calling it unfair and fretting about the rest of the season, were the same ones throwing the team away after VT lost to James Madison. There is a lot of football left to play and as long as the Broncos keep winning, they will be where they deserve and need to be, which will be a BCS Bowl.
I disagree with your statement...
The same people freaking out about Boise State dropping in the polls, calling it unfair and fretting about the rest of the season, were the same ones throwing the team away after VT lost to James Madison.
I, for one, refuse to be classified in this category. I’m pissed that we dropped for no other reason that Oregon is now the “it” team. Their SOS is crap compared to BSU’s, they haven’t beat anyone with a pulse other than Stanford, and that pulse was a weak, thready thing. I worried when VaTech lost because we lost the credebility that we beat a “name” program, even though that’s still the case. And I’ll still be pissed as we drop throughout the season and I’ll still bitch and moan about it because, whether or not we like or control it, we’ll be getting screwed with no courtesy reach-around. Even if Oregon loses, I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t drop below us. THAT’S how corrupt the BCS system is. And I’ll rant and rave about it until I’m blue in the face, but I’ll still be a die-hard Bronco fan.
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by BSUFlyboy on Oct 4, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for truth.
"Or, if boarding the bus is just too difficult for an Establishmentarian to do, get your snob school to schedule the Broncos home-and-home. Any takers?" - Pat Forde
If Oregon loses they Will fall below us
If they go undefeated, as far as the BCS is set up, they do deserve to play in the NCG game over us. Im not saying its right or fair, but weve seen it coming
If they win all their games their above us, if they dont then they wont be. So WHO CARES what week they jump us?
We shouldn’t be taking the attention off of our AWESOME team because of something we cant control.
Boise State Football: The Tim Tebow of 2010: Love 'em or Hate 'em, you've gotta Respect 'em.
this would be awesome...
We would know which loses to root for and have a much better perspective of our chances of finishing in the top two. One draw back is the ability to have a team fall from, say 7 to 12, after a loss and remain ahead of bsu with the loss instead of a bronco jump. Your point is for them to do it right to begin with but I have no faith in voters, coaches or otherwise.
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by TooMuchYoung on Oct 4, 2010 1:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Top 25
Um, Ohio State’s schedule has been a joke compared to Oregon’s. Sagarin has them at #99 in schedule. Weak.
If we're gonna get screwed anyway...
Might as well get mega-screwed. At least this scenario would point out the obvious biases and flaws in the system. A team going 39-1 over 3 years still isn’t quite as impressive as beating Stanford at home.
While we’re on the topic: how is Utah ranked 10th? An OT victory over a grossly overrated Pitt team and then victories over 3 of the worst teams in the nation. Is this because they’ll be in the Pac-? next year? TCU is going to get a lot of credit for defeating a top ten team that probably didn’t deserve to be anywhere near that and we’ll have to settle for defeating a 20+ ranked Nevada team that “earned” it.
at first i was thinking "what top 10 team?"
then, yeah, Utah.
durr….
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Hypocritical logic
“how is Utah ranked 10th? An OT victory over a grossly overrated Pitt team and then victories over 3 of the worst teams in the nation.”
Same logic as how a team can barely beat a grossly overrated virginia tech, post victories over 2 of the worst teams in the nation (WY and NM State), play Toledo and expect to be ranked as high as teams that play top-25 teams every week.
The rankings are proabbly pretty accurate even if the logic in the original article is spiteful. BSU is a top 20 team but has a long way to go to be in the same conversation as the Bama’s, Florida’s, OSU’s, and even OU.
by The_truth hurts on Oct 4, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
oy...
if you’re going to post that, at least do it under your actual user name.
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...one more reason why talking about this is just dumb.
Boise State Football: The Tim Tebow of 2010: Love 'em or Hate 'em, you've gotta Respect 'em.
to be fair
we’re going to get haters and trolls here regardless.
so yeah…
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@ Grindhouse— I did post under my actual user name.
All— sorry if my perception of BSU hurts but you should realize it is probably a perception shared by a majority of college football fans outside of Idaho. You need to score at least 59 points every week over the teams you play in order to maintain some credibility. These are not the same teams that the SEC or even Big 10 temas play so it is hard for the average fan to see the parity between BSU and the traditional powerhouses. For example, Alabama just beat #10 Arkansas, #7 Florida— beating a ranked Penn State team was just a road bump. All I can say is keep playing hard and posting huge victories— the BCS computers will take over and will favor an undefeated WAC team over a one loss PAC-10 or Big-12 team.
by The_truth hurts on Oct 4, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever happened to:
Watching how the teams play/perform. I miss that.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
your perception doesn't hurt my feelings.
i just find it awfully coincidental that you’re posting now with that particular name. but if you’re here for reasoned discourse, then ok.
anyway, Pitt is/was actually overrated. the Big LEast in general is.
VT can, and probably will, win the ACC.
that same VT that lost to JM.
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Screw It. Let's Just Go Back To Junior College Status.
Replace The Blue with green turf. Bulldoze the stadium improvements. We know our place. (Sir, Yes Sir!)
Next up, Whitworth. Maybe Hiram Scott….
Fifty-nine to nothing….
I could just spit nails.
Right now I have a call into Coach Pete to hang 100 points on a pretty fair Toledo team just to turn some heads. He hasn’t returned my call yet.
This is rediculous.
And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!
Oregon
Congrats to Oregon on their great victory and their jump to #3 over BSU. They must take comfort in knowing that if they can’t actually beat BSU on the field, at least they can win in the imaginary world of speculation and opinion polls.
A few observations about the Oregon/ Stanford game.
1. Those green uniforms blended into the green field so well that I could hardly see them! I believe that that gives them an unfair advantage over their opponents.
2. That helmet to helmet hit on Stanford’s slot back that knocked him out of the game was dirty and uncalled for. It was an intentional cheap shot and that player should be banned for the next game for playing dirty. I know it was intentional because I watched it in slow motion on TV so that naturally makes me an expert.
3. The only reason Oregon won was that they played at home and the officiating was horrible and if they had gotten Stanford later in the year it would be different and Stanford was way overrated to begin with etc etc. ( insert any old excuse that Oregon fans like to spout)
PS: Masoli drove through Idaho on his way to Ol Miss and almost side swiped me with his car! He threw a beer can at me, flicked a joint at my head and yelled some bad words. The worst thing is now I can’t find my lap top anywhere and have to post on my friends desktop.
Bummer.
by Broncsfan4life on Oct 4, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
They must take comfort in knowing that if they can’t actually beat BSU on the field, at least they can win in the imaginary world of speculation and opinion polls.
You know we’re not Oregon State, right? We haven’t, and won’t play you this season unless tOSU and Bama both stay undefeated, and even then we might jump tOSU. This Oregon team is much better than last year’s team. We have a new QB, the right RB (actually 2 of them) and our D is lights out. To say that BSU should be above Oregon based on the last 2 years is ridiculous, and completely illogical.
the polls themselves are illogical too.
don’t think people won’t use the Rose Bowl against you guys.
much like people will use the fiesta bowl against tcu (but that helps BSU so i’m fine with that).
(i sure hope you caught that joke…)
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Oregon fan
True,
I cant say that BSU is better than Oregon this year nor would I because you are right!! They haven’t played each other this year. It is ridiculous and illogical to assume BSU is better.
But,
By that same logic, is is unreasonable to assume that Oregon is better than BSU and put them ahead of BSU in the polls based on your win against Stanford.
See? BCS= Illogical.
Thanks for responding.
by Broncsfan4life on Oct 4, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
D is lights out?????
Put down the pipe. Stanford hung 31 on you….in 1 half. I guess for oregon that is lights out D. That is funny, and pathetic at the same time. You haven’t beat us ever…..get over it. With a little luck we get you in the Rose bowl this year and you will be going down in a cloud of feathers and flapping beaks. Don’t try to justify your team jumping BSU, you haven’t earned it, anybody with a brain knows it.
by papaspud on Oct 4, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
7 points in 5 second halfs. Its called adjustments.
QQ some more please. Stanford would beat you, and the ducks would crush you.
1) Spearing the opponents quarterback and other players with the intention of knocking them out of the game such that you have a better chance of winning is cool in boise state community college, but in big boy conferences you cant win every game with that tactic.
2) Tackling slow-mo blount when hes running east west and having good pass defense when Masoli couldn’t put the ball within 5 yards of a receiver was easy.
But LaMicheal James carried twice for 21 yards against BSCC in the 2009 game. There’s no reason to believe that trend should change if the teams met again.
You haven’t seen anything like LaMicheal. The OSU D and Quizz are a joke.
Stanford shut out a UCLA team that ran it up on texas.
Oregon would have their way with pete’s team in the rose bowl.
BSU - 2 UO- 0
Go back home quacker. WE pounded you every time we have played. Adjustments….LOL…your D sucks, quit trying to fluff it over…31 points- in 1 half, that is crap D. Did I say BSU-2… UO-0…just want to make sure you don’t miss that.
Oh and by the way…if things play out the way they stand, it’s quackers vs Broncs in the rose….uh oh quackers….going down for #3. You guys haven’t played any body like the broncos, since last years a$$ whooping any way. As you said above about james…there is no reason to think things would be different…you lose again!!
Pounded?
I wish I was delusional enough to live in a universe where I could say we “pounded” a team 19-8. We brought your high-scoring offense down; y’all just brought ours down even lower.
Good thing you know what will happen this year based on last year, though. I mean, since y’all, Stanford, and Ohio State beat us last year, only an idiot would think we might be better than any of those three teams this year. Goodness, I’m just quaking in fear at what will happen when the Cardinal come to Autzen.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 4, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I watched the game
last year was a "pounding " that wasn’t reflected on the scoreboard. We are on the BSU blog, and if I say it is a pounding, then it is a pounding…..LOL
All this smack talking on the different blogs is wearing my fingers out. It’s all irrelevant and the season will play out. Hope to play the ucks again….would be a hell of a game.
I’m surrounded by my homers so I can call it a pounding and they’ll back me up and that makes me right" is just as dumb as if I said on AtQ "I’m surrounded by my homers and they all agree that Oregon is better than Boise State and that makes me right to say it.
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Well, despite us homers.
You cannot say that last years game was not a pounding on Oregon. I mean, you can say that, but who’s going to believe you? Chip Kelly would be telling you to shut up with those lies.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
That was...
supposed to be funny about the pounding. But as a quacker troll here just to stir things up, you wouldn’t realize that. Have I mentioned….BSU-2 UO-0…when or if you ever beat us then I will listen to your smack talk, other than that your just a loser troll from a loser team. Scoreboard
Yes, you've mentioned it. Too bad you're too stupid to realize that doesn't equate to pounding.
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zero first downs in the first 40 minutes of a game IS a pounding
Don’t you remember the ‘confused homeless guy’ look that Masoli wore so proudly?
Perhaps you should watch the game again—-I suspect we have a copy lying around somewhere.
We heard this same line of ‘logic’ before each of the last two games—forgive us if we are skeptics. ‘We are lots better than you are’ taunts don’t work if you don’t actually win occasionally.
Perhaps you should conclude your argument with a strong ‘neener-neener’ and a raspberry. It usually works for my two-year old.
Forgive me if I’m a skeptic when you’re apparently too stupid to make an argument against the thing I’m actually saying, which is not that y’all weren’t better at the beginning of last year, but that if both of our offenses were held well under how they typically perform, to the tune of 11 points difference, then it wasn’t a pounding.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Oregon's D didn't get pounded by BSU's O
Boise State’s offense should have dominated, but made too many mistakes.
But Oregon’s offense did get pounded and that cannot be seriously debated.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
I'm not debating that, seriously or otherwise.
But a pounding in one phase doesn’t necessarily equate to a pounding for the game.
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~ :: ~
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
152 total yards and 8 points.
That’s all the nations top offense could muster. Or maybe forget Oregon went on to basically steamroll the rest of their opponents?
Boise State was their own enemy in last year’s game. 3-4 fumbled snaps? Two in the red-zone? Missed FG? Yeah you’re right, Oregon had everything to do with that. Tell me how many TO’s did they force? How many fourth down stops did they have? Third down? TFL’s? Sacks?
Trust me, if not for the Broncos’ own ring rust, it could’ve easily been 40-8.
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You do realize that, you know, you have an offense too? Your football team isn’t exactly a defense and nothing else.
And if you take out the Broncos’ rust in evaluating the game, you have to take out the Ducks’ substantial rust too. You beat us handily. You didn’t do enough in all three phases to warrant the term “pounding.”
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah guys we didnt warrant the term "pounding".
Now Rec’d me, Milkrino style!
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by BleedBlue75 on Oct 5, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The definition of pounding, as memorialized by ESPN.
have a look for yourself , it might jog your memory.
It was over when… D.J. Harper’s 1-yard TD plunge in the third quarter gave the Broncos a 19-0 lead.
Gameball goes to… Boise State’s defense, which held the Ducks to only six first downs and 152 yards.
Stat of the game… 42:32. The Broncos dominated time of possession, holding the ball for 42:32 of the 60 minutes.
• Oregon, in its first game under new coach Chip Kelly, managed just 14 yards in the first half and was forced to wait until the third quarter to record its initial first down.
• Thursday marked Oregon’s first opening-game loss since 2004 and the fewest points the Ducks have scored in an opener since 1982 (34-3 loss vs. Arizona State).
But Boise State’s defense answered every Oregon charge and knocked off the Ducks for the second consecutive season after last year’s contentious matchup in Eugene.
“Hats off to our defense tonight. They made a ton of plays,” Moore said.
Nearly every available space inside Bronco Stadium was crammed with fans desperate to see this border-state battle, one that everyone expected to turn into a high-scoring shootout.
If not for two missed field goals, a botched field-goal snap and three turnovers, it very well might have been a high-scoring rout for the Broncos.They outgained Oregon 361 to 152, rolling up 22 first downs to the Ducks’ six. The struggles of Kelly’s offense were stunning, considering Oregon scored a combined 162 points in its final three games of 2008 and brought quarterback Jeremiah Masoli back to run the show.
The total yards were the fewest for Oregon in nearly 15 years.
“Boise State really moved the ball, we let them have the ball pretty much the whole game, it seemed like,” Oregon defensive back Walter Thurmond III said.
But Masoli’s passing was off and the Ducks could not get bruising Blount started. Blount carried only eight times and finished with minus-5 yards rushing, part of a miserable night for the Ducks.
Masoli finished 14 of 27 for 121 yards and an interception.
“It’s frustrating whenever you don’t get a first down,” Kelly said.
The Broncos had no problem marching. Moore hit 14 of 20 throws in the first half and finished 19 of 29. He was also given plenty of time in the pocket behind a young offensive line that for one night answered the biggest question about the Broncos in the offseason.
Moore connected with Austin Pettis for a 10-yard touchdown midway through the second quarter and the two-point conversion put Boise State up 8-0. They later went up 10-0 when Blount was pulled down in the end zone by Billy Winn for a safety.
The Broncos’ line also pushed Oregon’s defensive front and opened holes for Harper and Jeremy Avery. The pair combined for 162 yards rushing and Boise State finished with 164 yards rushing as a team.
“They came out talking a little bit thinking they owed us something, and we just came out and played our game,” Harper said.
In summation, YES!! You’re Oregon Ducks got POUNDED! Go away now, Corky.
Please, please, please BCS Gods, Let us get Oregon in a bowl game. /fingers crossed
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by Mikrino on Oct 5, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So we had more rushing yards than they had total yards.
Thank you, teacher, for the education. That was awesome.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
So “the margin of victory would have been different if we hadn’t made turnovers and other mistakes but y’all had still made them” is a pounding?
LSU POUNDED TENNESSEE ON SATURDAY, HOORAY!!!!!!
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Adjustments, huh.
While it takes Oregon a half to make adjustments against other teams, this guy is basically saying it takes 2 years for Oregon to make adjustments to beat Boise State.
Know what’s fun about all this talk with Oregon fans? You know how we would like to think we’d shut SEC fans up if they played us and we won? Oregon fans are going a long way to prove it doesn’t matter how many times we whoop ‘em, they’ll come back with excuses and jealousy.
~ :: ~
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
by Loque on Oct 4, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm really wondering.
How is this Oregon team better than Oregon teams of the past, including last year? I saw all the same names of the playmakers on the same jerseys that I did last year. I saw the same high octane, spread offense that I saw last year (well, not the same one on Sept. 3rd). I’m not slinging mud here, either. I would really like to know what qualifies this as a better team? So far, it’s the same old Oregon I’ve always known.
~ :: ~
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Mostly, because players aren’t static. The offensive line was inexperienced and thus pretty horrendous our first three games last season. To look at how they played you all and then how they played Southern Cal and say “Well, it’s the same guys, so they must be performing just as well” would be lunacy. LMJ and Barner have also improved. Masoli at the beginning of last season was very inaccurate and making poor decisions, while Thomas at the beginning of this season has been slightly inaccurate, and made generally good decisions. (In playmaking ability, early 09 Masoli < early 10 Thomas, < mid-late 09 Masoli, IMO). Similar things have happened on the other side of the ball.
Mostly, though, you shouldn’t doubt that a team is good just because you don’t see what goes into them being good. That would be like if someone told you “I don’t know anything scientific that would make the sky blue, so I don’t think it is blue.” Oregon is rolling a lot better than they were last season, so even if you don’t know what the workings are that make them better, you should at least believe that they are.
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Where do you begin???
It so vastly different that it’s not even funny. Have you watched LMJ? He got 4 touches against BSU because he was playing his first collegiate game and Blount was featured back. The defense….almost half the names are different.
Eastern Idaho mostly
And I’ve only seen the Tennessee and Stanford games. Plus, I saw LMJ all last year, maybe not in Boise, but still not much of a different team on offense. Thomas does look a lot like Masoli. Despite being a complete idiot, Masoli made all the good reads and great cutbacks, just like Thomas does. I don’t really care about accuracy in the Oregon passing game, because you typically don’t need it. The pass is always set up but the fly sweeps and QB keepers. Enough so that then you do pass the ball, there’s usually someone wide open.
Again, I’m just not seeing anything new.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Oregon has its offensive system
It doesn’t really matter who they put in. It’s a really good system.
(Somewhere, Blount is protesting, “I’m not a system-back!”)
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Very happy to see him get cut.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
the right QB?
Darron Thomas can run. He isnt a great passer, even in Chip Kelly’s spread offense. And your defense is not lights out. Well, it was lights out against Portland State, New Mexico,an anemic, rebuliding Tennesee, and an ASU that has no identity and can’t hold onto the ball. Andrew Luck is good and all, but he can’t throw a deep ball, and Stanford’s offense is too much like an average high school offense. I would not get too excited about your “Lights out D.” I hope that Bama, and OSU run the table so we can be matched up against a one loss,
(or in my prediction) a two loss Oregon, and kick some trash (for the third time) in the Rose Bowl. I know Chip Kelley would be crapping himself if we get matched up against each other…. or course, this is college football, anything could happen, .like getting matched up against TCU for the 3rd consecutive year.
I love how Bronco fans...
can diminish a win over the #9 team in the country that is scoring 48 points a game but puff up a win against the #10 team that subsequently loses to an FCS school. Sorry, but Stanford is more than just a good team and Andrew Luck throws a great deep ball.
I like Luck.
But mostly because he’s not Jake Locker.
What happened to Luck is just a phenomenon last Saturday. Oregon didn’t change much defensively (from what I could see on the camera).. but he went from precision passer in the 1st half to bad mojo in the 2nd. It was very weird.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Im not
Diminishing a win. The ducks will fall to USC, OSU, an maybe Uof A. Darron Thomas’ mechanics have not improved since I saw him in action two years ago. That is not a good thing. And I am saying that your D is not as impressive as you think.
As much as I dislike Oregon hype
I would never wish a win upon USC .. unless it’s over Ohio State.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Well, we agree on something.
I was the only guy on AtQ wanting UW to win last weekend.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
USC is playing with like 2/3
the schollies of any other teams with injuries and defections. How’s that going to work against a team goes at the break kneck speed of the Ducks? USC is actually 4th on my list worries, which goes in this order: Arizona, @OSU, @Cal (we play terribly there), and @USC.
They may be down in schollies
But the fringe benefits are amazing!
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
I went to law school at USC
If ‘fringe benefits’ includes USC coeds, then amazing is an appropriate word indeed.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
and this is why coach pete is the highest paid employee in the state:
He doesn’t play rankings game. There aren’t style points in the Bronco’s world, only solid wins. What happened last Saturday in Las Cruces speaks to the mindset of this team – they won, they won convincingly, literally everyone on the squad contributed, and they are 1-0 in conference play.
We’ll win our last WAC championship this year, and if we’re lucky, maybe get to go play someone really fun in a bowl game. Hopefully in Glendale, but even if it isn’t, I’ll be happy with a win.
We can’t play this what if game all season, or we’re not going to enjoy a minute of it. Bring on Toledo, I love me a game on the blue!!
"Or, if boarding the bus is just too difficult for an Establishmentarian to do, get your snob school to schedule the Broncos home-and-home. Any takers?" - Pat Forde
by reflectivity on Oct 4, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for enjoying Bronco football. See you on Saturday night.
Still thankful I don’t have to watch WSN this weekend. I’ll drink to that right now.
there is no 'Z" in 'Boise'
there is no 'O' in 'Petersen'
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by Boise State of Mind on Oct 4, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Boise State could play and beat any team in the top 25, right now.
And the first person who tries to say that SEC/BIGXII/PAC10/BIG10 teams do that on a week in, week out basis is gonna be labeled a monumental retard, by yours truly, every time you post from here on out.
Back to my point, the Broncos could run with any team in the top 25 right now. Which is why all these voters still saw fit to give them a shiny #4 ranking. And also why Oregon’s lead for the three spot is still pretty slim, they made it past the Broncos, but barely.
Let’s explore the top four teams resumes to date;
1.Alabama
San Jose State(1-4) If the Broncos get reamed for playing them, so too should the Tide.
Their lone win is over Southern Utah, they lost to UC Davis last Saturday.
Penn State(3-2) They lost to both ranked opponents they faced. The three wins you ask; Yougstown State, Kent State, and Temple(barely). Impressive JoePa.
Duke(1-4) Duke beat Elon to start off the season, then abruptly got back to what they do best; play poorly against bad football teams (Army, Wake Forest, Maryland).
Arkansas(3-1) The shining light so far on Alabama’s slate. If not for boneheaded playcalling in the second half, this is your SEC frontrunner. Who have they beat? A veritable who’s who; Tenn. Tech, Louisiana-Monroe, Georgia(they’re 1-4, mind you).
Florida(4-1) I’m not saying the Gators are bad, but they’ve been far from unstoppable. And their wins are not much to shout about. Miami(OH), So. Fla., Tennessee, and Kentucky.
2.Ohio State
Marshall(1-4) Talking about scheduling up Marshall’s lone win is against Ohio, I don’t know about you but I’m impressed.
Miami(FL)(3-1) The Buckeyes big win so far and as Mark May says “it was closer than the score indicated”. The ’Canes knocked off FAMU, Pitt, and Clemson. Yawn. A doormat and two perennial flops.
Ohio(2-3) Hey! They have something in common with Marshall, they both can beat bad Ohio teams. The Bobcats wins; Wofford and E. Mich.
Eastern Michigan(0-5) Hey wait a minute! They also have something in common with Ohio, they both can beat horrible Michigan teams. 0-5, need I say more.
Illinois(2-2) I’d like to point out this was Ohio State’s first road game and its week 5. And they struggled mightily up to the 4th quarter. The Illini have big wins over N. Illinois AND S. Illinois, making them the best team in… Illinois. Oh wait, N’Western has them beat.
3.Oregon
New Mexico(0-5) The Lobos have yet to score more than 20, and they’ve only done that once. When you lose the UTEP and UNLV in the same season, God hates you. Good job picking out a toughie, Bellotti.
Tennessee(2-3) I actually thought the Vols would have legs this year. I was wrong. Their wins are against Tenn.-Martin and UAB. They figured out how to lose to Les Miles last week.
Portland State. Three letters; F C S. It’s easy to pad the statbook against FCS teams isn’t it.
Arizona State(2-3) The wins; Portland State! Right on Brother! and Northern Arizona. Yeah you’re right, Boise State would have trouble in the PAC10. How would they ever get past Portland State and Northern Arizona?
Stanford(4-1) The Cardinal is easily the toughest team the Ducks have faced so far. Waiting until week 5 to test yourself worked out well. Which makes me wonder how they jumped the poll in the first month to start with. Stanford’s wins; Sac. St., Wake Forest, UCLA, and Notre Dame. I’d say they hadn’t been tested yet either.
4.Boise State
Va. Tech(3-2) Say what you will about the loss to JMU, they were ranked #10 when the Broncos beat them. ranked by who? The same voters who have Oregon ahead of Boise State. They’ve rebounded nicely with three straight wins over East Carolina, Boston College, and NC State.
Wyoming(2-3) If Oregon can schedule bad MWC teams, so can the Broncos. All three of Wyoming’s losses are to ranked opponents. Their wins; So. Utah and Toledo, so they’re right there with Marshall and Ohio State. Boise State will join the club on Saturday.
Oregon State(2-2) The Beavs had the unenviable task of taking on both of the Bullies of the NAQ’s, they lost to both. Note to Mike Riley; don’t do that again. The wins; Lousiville and Arizona State, wait! is this the first BCS team not to schedule up some creampuffs? Me thinks so.
New Mexico State(0-4) This is where I defend the Broncos. They HAVE to play the Aggies, it’s a conference game. They didn’t search them out like the other teams on the list have. Besides, they got throttled by Boise State 59-0. That should count for something.
After looking through all that you should see that all four team schedules are very similar. And if we continued down the rest of the top 25 it would continue. Yes, we all know Boise State’s slate from here on out gets really crappy, and the rest of these teams will get better. My point is this, to date, Boise State can and has kept pace with the rest of the “elite” teams in the top 25. And LSU too. Given the chance, I believe they could continue to do so. It seems as though no one is willing to give them that chance.
I realize this should have been a fanpost, but it ought to be the biggest green comment on SBNATION.
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by Mikrino on Oct 4, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 19 recs
Scheduling is a funny thing...
since you do it so far in advance. New Mexico was bowl team when they were schedule and we got stuck with PSU in scramble after Central Michigan (btw, they’ve been a top 3 MAC team) exercised their buy out clause. We’ve scheduled a home and away with BSU, Tennessee, Georgia, KSU, and we just put LSU in Texas on the schedule for next year. We play two SEC teams in our OOC next year. Last year was @BSU, Purdue, and UTAH. Oregon has a record of good OOC scheduling. This year was an aberration of things out of our control (e.g., the demise of Tennessee, NEW Mexico’s plunge into ineptidude and a buy out).
I could be wrong, but I don’t see anything indicating he was trying to call us out on intentionally playing a light OOC.
Beating Tennessee 48-13 tells you something about how good the Ducks are, and what it tells you has only to do with how good Tennessee is, and nothing to do with how good we thought they’d be.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Wait, never mind. I must be blind. The thrust of his post remains valid. The sniveling little comments about intent do not.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
wait! is this the first BCS team not to schedule up some creampuffs? Me thinks so.
Oregon, and the pac in general, do some of the hardest OOC scheduling in the country. Our OOC games included Texas, Tennesee, Nebraska, BYU, Kansas State, Iowa, Wisonconsin, and ND (wanted to sneak in Idaho). I almost forgot TCU and BSU. Wazzu schedule Oklahoma State as well. However, a few of those traditionally relevant programs are down. In fact, I wonder if the PAC isn’t the one conference that actually schedules tough OOC schedules.
Yeah, I was multitasking, scanned and saw stuff that made sense, and remembered the core idea, which, like I said, stands. You want to evaluate UO’s football ability this year? Talk about how good UT is, and ignore how good we thought they’d be. You want to evaluate how willing UO is to play tough OOC games? Ignore how good UT is, and talk about how good we thought they’d be.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Kind of.
I think every top 10 has a cupcake or two in their first four or five games.
It’s only Boise State that gets penalized in week 5 though which is bogus. Ohio State didn’t leave Columbus for the first month and yet they hold down their spot after looking inept.
Tennessee. I saw them live against Florida. They are just plain bad right now.
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My point is that all the schedules to this point in the season are similar.
As much as you can detract from Boise State’s slate, I can detract from Oregon’s. Now I know the Broncos’ schedule is about to take a nosedive. There’s nothing they can do about that, except keep winning. But to this point, there is nor goor reason for Oregon to jump Boise State except bias. In a month, sure it’s probably inevitable. I’m just pointing out the bias thrown the Broncos way is unwarranted, given the schedules so far.
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Sure there's a reason. If you think the Ducks have looked better than the Broncos, you rank them higher. End of story.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Boise State has looked better than Oregon. If we trail games, it’s only by 4 points for as many minutes.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
That is a good point.
we trailed by 18 and more than 4 against ASU. However, I dock BSU for having to make such a late comeback at VATECH. In the games against ASU and Stanford the games were comfortable for ducks because a) both team were getting locked down in the second half and b) the ducks had 2 possession leads going into the 4th quarter. I forgot how dire that game was until Beamer made a hugh clock management gaffe. I understand throwing the ball on 3rd down but it looked like there was one route run. It was a terrible call and one that gave you enough time to march down the field. Killing 40 more seconds on the clock would’ve won the game for VAtech. Likewise, Vatech has struggled to put away opponents and not so great ones at that. I think they pull their proverbial sh*t together but both your wins are looking precarious at the moment. This OS team could very well end up 5th in the Pac. Vatech could very well end up with 2 losses in conference play. I really believe that Stanford is going stay put and inch their way back up the polls. Their oline is such a mismatch for against everyone, especially with defenses so geared against the spread.
LMJ is such a beast too. There is no one like him in the Pac and outside of Robinson he is getting the most heisman love…and deservedly so. Stanford’s will go back to looking decent.
Oregon has not had any game come particularly close to “down to the wire,” while Boise State has. That’s a point in favor of Oregon. And I’m not saying Oregon is definitely better. I’m saying it’s legit to think Oregon’s better, and if you do, you should rank them higher.
Basically, I’m fine with people who say “I think Oregon’s (looked) better than Boise” and I’m fine with people who say “I think Boise’s (looked) better than Oregon.” The people who say “Oregon is better than Boise and there’s no question” and the people who say “Boise is better than Oregon and there’s no question” are both loony, IMO.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Flawed method of voting.
If all we played was 1 ranked team, and 4 awful opponents, I’m pretty sure Boise State would be looking good, too. Then again, that’s probably the exact reason why Ohio State is still ranked #2. So if you want to be lumped in with them, go ahead.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Loque
the problem is that every team we’ve played is getting somewhat of a subjective ranking. OS is not a top 25 team in my mind. They really struggled at home to put awayLouiville and barely beat ASU at home. That team doesn’t finish higher than 4th, imho, and that is if things go well for them. I really see the Pac going Oregon, Stanford/Arizona, and then your guess is as good as mine after that. I see OS anywhere from 4-6 between OS/CAL/USC. ASU, UW, and UCLA are all team that could potentially make a run. The scary part of the Pac is that every team outside of WAZZU are a potential landmine.
I agree on OSU, but just don't make me admit it.
OSU is always OSU. They start out bad (was hoping they’d at least be somewhat good) and make a few upsets and are up towards the top. With Katz at the helm, I’m not sure they’ll get it in gear towards the end of the season.
But either way, even though OSU isn’t all that hot, you can’t really compare them to Tennessee or the other schools you’ve played. IMO, of course.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
That Funky BlueMadena!
Except for Liberals, I have yet to see the level of self dilution and denial as displayed by the pony faithful. If you keep drinking that Blue Cool-aid, it will further rot your brain and result in certain aneurysm when BAMA takes it all home in January. I really feel you guys should seek therapy for the loss of reality you have suffered. I am worried about you!
ROLL TIDE… ROLL!
"self dilution"
Gotta love that Alabama education
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Maybe undex really meant "self-dilution"
And this is a precious bodily fluids sort of thing.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
I'm a libertarian. I root for Boise State.
You’re being a troll and a homer, just like every single other Bama fan I have ever been in contact with, online or otherwise.
Run on back to the Bama blog now, this blog is for real discussion, not homer talk.
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- Sam Cassell
Ok, so using your logic about BSU beating ANY of the top 25 teams.
Well go by who you play….
1. #10 VT – Lost to James Madison *FCS school , W East Carolina, W BC, W #24NC State
2. Wyoming whooping record of 2-3 C’mon really, Mountain West? what a joke
3. #24 OsU – Shouldn’t even have been ranked. Lost to both ranked teams they’ve played.
4. New Mexico State hahahah..seriously? You slaughtered them, a WAC team. How awesome. Definitly would out play Alabama because of how ya did with NMS CC. They are 0-4 and have been beating badly by everyone so far.
5. Huge game coming up against the powerhouse 4-1 Toledo out of the Mid American conference.
6. 1-4 San Joser State – Who happened to just lose to a FCS school. Should be a very competitive game for ya!
7. Here’s a good one against LSU..errr LS TECH. 1-4 I’m noticing a pattern here…I’ll get to it soon
8. Hawaii – I would say this IS a respectable team from what they’ve done in the past. Again, that was the past and they are NOT what they were two and three years ago. Hint (The past means nothing with the current teams strength or past wins.hint)
9. Idaho – 3-2 – I actually just found out that they are called the Vandals. I used to love that band back in the early 80’s. Anyways, didn’t even know they had a team. Figures huh.
10. Fresno State- 3-1 Noticed something about the wac. NONE of these teams so far have beaten a ranked team besides BSU.
11. Nevada – The only other ranked team in the WAC power conference. Will NOT be ranked when BSU plays them. Which sucks for you BSU fans because it was your only hope in staying atleast #15 by season’s end.
12. Utah State – 2-3 Wow, thought these guys dropped their football program like six years ago.
The point of this post is to point out the lackluster schedule that BSU has left. Its not BSU faults for being in a bad conference. I also realize that teams schedule years in advanced. I hope that BSU is calling up ‘Bama, OSU, OK, USC and other schools that are good year to year. You start beating these guys, THAN you have a right to start getting mad about schools like Oregon jumping over BSU to #3. For now, shut your mouths. I’m sick of hearing about how you guys get screwed. The Wac conference is just that, WAC.
Please join the SEC and than email me in three years to see if you guys still feel as passionate as you do now.
35-1 in four years is impressive, just not so much being that its the WAC. Its not about being bias, its about showing that you can hang with the big boys and so far the only thing voters see is a team with an ugly field that beats bottom barrel teams year after year.
SEC East
Fact: We’d be undefeated in that conference this year.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
What about the computers...
I’m holding out for some computer luck. When the bcs comes out, we may jump back into 3rd. Assuming we keep winning and some teams loose around us.
and wac teams doing pretty well doesn't hurt either.
that’s why i wanted toledo to beat wyoming. having those guys come to boise with the most respect possible would be better than the record they have now.
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While our schedule gets lighter...
Other high ranked teams begin to get into their tuff games. That’s why we heard so much bitterness the last few weeks. Now it plays to our advantage and they new it would. They knock each other off while we sit at number 4 or 5. I believe the computers give us another notch or two in a couple weeks. Not so bleek if you ask me.
Really?
Have you really not had enough of playing the Ducks? I’m very over it.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
the satisfaction factor
is just too overwhelming with duck fans. After having to deal with them now for 3 years, they have EASILY become my most disliked team. Their coach is an a$$ and so are their fans…at least the ones that troll the blogs. If things don’t work out for the NC,then the rose with the quackers would be the best for me.
would you like some quackers with that pate’?
by papaspud on Oct 4, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My dryer sheets are packaged in boxes
Maybe they just do things differently in the South.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
by Loque on Oct 4, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To worry about this is unnecessary, almost ridiculous.
Undefeated teams in BCS conferences will be above us, even if we are also unbeaten, at the end of the year. We all knew this going in. So how much does it matter if Oregon is above us in week 5? If they keep winning they would have jumped us anyway, if they lose then they will Not finish ahead of us.
- or #4 in week 5 makes Does Not Matter.
We all know the system is not fair, but You and I cant change it, and it is not going to magically change by the end of the year. No reason to get worked up over it at this point. Relax… We can all be pissed on selection sunday.
Boise State Football: The Tim Tebow of 2010: Love 'em or Hate 'em, you've gotta Respect 'em.
that was weird... I meant:
#3 or #4…
Boise State Football: The Tim Tebow of 2010: Love 'em or Hate 'em, you've gotta Respect 'em.
honestly
i’d prefer to just get pissed off at the system.
what better way to bring about change than to point out the inherent flaws in the system and rail against them.
“Evil prevails when good men do nothing”.
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why get pissed about such a meaningless thing?
Doing it on a blog is not going to change anything. Telling oregon fans how we are better than them Definitely wont do anything.
You think you’re taking down the BCS on OBNUG?
Boise State Football: The Tim Tebow of 2010: Love 'em or Hate 'em, you've gotta Respect 'em.
yes!
it also lets me vent my frustrations with the system.
do i honestly think it makes a difference? no. of course not. but it lets me bounce ideas off fellow obnuggers and hear some other perspectives.
the system is a frustrating illogical thing and i am going to be mad about it one way or another.
and please note that when i say i’m “pissed” it’s me just being overactive and mostly facetious.
and besides, as fans, it’s kind our jobs to be unrealistic and have overblown expectations.
its why we have this blog (and sports blogs in general). if we’re not going to talk about things we can’t control, it’s all going to be conversations about the team we played, the team we’re going to play and… that’s it.
where’s the fun in that?!
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Where is the fun in talking about the bcs?
Talking about our broncos is what is really fun, which I could do every second until the end of the year without mentioning the BCS.
When we get bored talking about who the broncos just played or who they are going to play, then we may need to check ourselves. This is the greatest time of the year, hands down, and its Not because of the BCS.
Boise State Football: The Tim Tebow of 2010: Love 'em or Hate 'em, you've gotta Respect 'em.
(and telling Oregon fans my team is better than their team makes me feel better too.)
again, if we’re not going to talk about anything fun, why are we here in general?
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Sorry
I can never empress these dingle berries.. However I must commend you on your completely brilliant post.
As for me I would just prefer to get all their home addresses and burn their homes down,, that’s my feelings on it ;)
But I’ll wait and see how things shack out first……
New Mexico State... REALLY !!!
Are you serious? NMS? You have now won the BCS by beating NMS? REALLY?
Oh I’m sorry, I thought I was blogging about college football.
Please disregard this post.
ROLL TIDE… ROLL!
Georgia State.. really?
I mean.. we are forced to play San Jose State and New Mexico State. What’s your excuse?
GO BRONCOS… …ROLL?
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
13th game.
We had a free one, and they were available. And, as long as we’re talking last year, your 12th game was Chattanooga. What’s your excuse?
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
I’m not the one acting indignant at Bama scheduling Georgia State. I don’t need an excuse.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, whose 12th game was Chattanooga? None of my teams'.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right.
I’m sure it’s the 1st non-conference game Alabama scheduled. While UC Davis was the very dead last one we scheduled (probably because when the Alabama’s AD heard the Boise State had an opening on the schedule, he called San Jose State instead).
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Conveniently, I have a purple and gold tiger eye and and green O on my avatar, so that you can tell who "my teams" are.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
My apologies.
The original reply was to undex.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
You know what's really bothering most of you?
That Oregon is the one that did the jumping. If it was somebody else yeah, you wouldn’t like that either, but it still wouldn’t be as bad. A few posters here have it right. No team, whether BSU, Oregon, Bama, or anybody else can control what the pollsters choose to do. Any team could find flaws in their reasoning. All you can do is play it out and see where it all comes to rest at the end of the season. Good luck and hope to see y’all at the Rose Bowl….if we’re not playing for the NC.
Not really.
I doubt that anything less than 80% of the Bronco fans here really care about the polls. It’s just a fun smack talk board now. I zero Oregon fans came over to have an “intellectual debate” as they were calling it, we’d probably see a 30-40 post comment thread and we’d get on with it. It was the Oregon fans who thought it a novel idea to go to a Boise State blog first to gloat their new accomplishment.
Now, I don’t mean to say all Oregon fans did this, but I doubt it would have ever gotten this far without the assistance of some Duck fans.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
I don't think you will be.
But I do wish you good luck, nonetheless.
Well, I got in a hurry with that last post.
Was going to add that I really can see the illogic in Oregon jumping over BSU. Makes no sense, But very little about the polls does make any sense. Some Duckies wonder why we didn’t jump over tOSU as well. Probably because they whacked us in the Rose Bowl last year. That’s not supposed to be a consideration for this year, but none of it makes any sense. Just keep playing hard BSU and everything will turn out as it’s supposed to in the end.
by hemidriver on Oct 4, 2010 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
You make sense, hemidriver
Are you sure you’re a Duck fan?
there is no 'Z" in 'Boise'
there is no 'O' in 'Petersen'
there is no edit button on SBNation
by Boise State of Mind on Oct 5, 2010 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll say only this, and leave it there.
Here’s my take as a Duck:
While I’d like another shot at tOSU in either the Rose Bowl or the title game, I’d like to settle this particular blood feud as it should be: On the field. So here’s hoping:
A) We see each other in the NC game. It’s a bit of a pipe dream due to all the reasons mentioned above ad nauseaum
B) This is actually fairly likely to happen: Rose Bowl. If tOSU goes to the title game, the Rose gets to pick an at-large. If you (and it’s probable that you will) run the table, the Rose would LOVE to have a rivalry game (with all the attendant stuff re: The Punch, late hits, Petersen’s ties to UO, etc.).
I’m not here to troll. You get the shaft from the BCS (we feel you: The entire football nation laughed when Nebraska was picked over UO for the ‘02 title game and there was that disgusting display of grovelling by Mack Brown that kept us out of the ’05 Fiesta Bowl) AND we have a grudge. I will not respond to any attacks on myself or my team as a result of this post. I just want to say "let’s hope we can settle it on the field." Good luck on your season.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 4, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
if it's not the MNC
i hope it’s the rose bowl too. would be an incredible game.
no excuses for when BSU beats you!!
(and please know i’m just making a joke there, i don’t want to have to dumb down my jokes…)
Go, Orange! Go Big Blue!
Follow me for BSU football game chants @BSUChants.
Or you can harass me on my normal twitter @damiensports
No attacks shall be thrown!
Everyone over here is up for a good spirited conversation/debate, just don’t expect a lot of agreement! One question though?
I’d like to settle this particular blood feud as it should be: On the field.
Didn’t we do this last year? Are we now owed a double BW-Whoopin’? lol. I kid…I just would rather play a big time BCS program that we haven’t already beaten, I think that would do more to advance the program. When people list who we have beat during this current run of awesome-ness the more teams on said list the better
Also the Rose Bowl (this year only) would be forced to select BSU if we are the top ranked non AQ BCS bowl eligible team and either the PAC-10 or Big 10 champ either go to the NC Game or are otherswise ineligible…..wow that was a mouthful!
Good luck to you sir, you are a rarity, a reasonable Duck fan!
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
Nope..
The theory of the infinite win doesn’t work. IOW why would OreSt even bother to show up for the Civil War this year since we “home and homed” them the last two? We keep saying this team is different, better, maybe unbeatable. You keep saying we can’t beat you. Sumpin’s gotta give.
Nope, one last time, when the stakes couldn’t be higher, when the teams are in fighting trim and have worked out the kinks. One Game to Rule Them All, so to speak.
And being that things are the way they are, a Ducks/Broncs Rose Bowl is more likely than almost any other BCS scenario, if the top-4 win out.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
One Game to Rule Them All, so to speak.
until UO schedule another home-home series with BSU, right?
(this is me holding my breath.)
Go, Orange! Go Big Blue!
Follow me for BSU football game chants @BSUChants.
Or you can harass me on my normal twitter @damiensports
I would like to see Oregon play BSU in nuetral territory
I believe it would be the only way that there is no perceived advantage. seeing how both Whether at Oregon or at Boise St. the home team has the obvious advantage. I give Boise a LOT of respect when it comes to how they have held themselves against Oregon. However being a duck fan I believe Oregon would beat boise.(and i am sure you would say the opposite) hard to be objective when there is so much emotion put into our teams. But i will say that win or lose the matchup between these two teams would be a much better game that on 9-3-09. Had that game been 3 or 4 weeks into the season there would have been a different result to that game.(i am not saying Boise would have lost but they would have seen a much better Oregon team.
I give BSU even more props for being this good without ever having a 4 or 5 star recruit.
Launchpad
But i will say that win or lose the matchup between these two teams would be a much better game that on 9-3-09. Had that game been 3 or 4 weeks into the season there would have been a different result to that game.(i am not saying Boise would have lost but they would have seen a much better Oregon team.
I really don’t understand this thinking. Boise would be a better team, too. And who says Oregon wasn’t a better team? Saying that takes all the credit from Boise for beating Oregon. I don’t care if it’s the 1st game of the last of the regular season, “You play to win the game.” If you want to say that fine, but you’re doing at Boise State’s expense.
Why is it that Boise State is the only team in the nation that can get through Fall camp and show up on opening day?
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Based on how the game went (i.e., in doubt until almost the end), I’d say VT ultimately “showed up” about as much as Boise did. LSU showed up in their first game (not all of it, but the first three quarters). But to look at the way Oregon played last season and say that it was the same team that showed up week one and week five is willful ignorance. To say that Oregon only improved as much as everyone improves over that time span is still extremely specious. Some teams improve more than others, and last year’s Duck team did a lot of improving in the first half of the season.
Y’all beat us. Part of being a good football team is showing up in week one, and we didn’t do that last year. That’s like saying “Part of being a good football team is not turning the ball over, and we didn’t do that.” It’s not an excuse for why we lost despite being the better team. It’s an analysis of what made us not the better team on that day.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Just so you know Big,
I hope Ore St or someone else shows up to beat O. That way this is all mute and people will carry on with teams that play both sides of the ball, not just a run amuck, undisicplined team.
Boise State will be waiting…
Shake It Kid
So now you're playing percentages?
“If we keep playing Boise State, eventually we’ll beat them.”
Idaho fans say the same thing, but it ain’t happenin’ anytime soon.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Oh c'mon now.
If you’re happy keeping thing right where they are, that’s fine. You’ve (or your team has) earned it. At least you’re not laying down the fundamentally flawed “logic of the infinite win.”
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 5, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Our limit never approaches zero.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
How can you say that the "infinite win theory doesn't work...
and in the same exact post say, nope one last time and One Game to Rule Them All, so to speak?
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The intent of this post was to not stir the pot in the Oregon vs Boise State debate
The intent was to point out the flawed logic in the polling system and to get everyone (most of all us Boise State fans) to realize that as much as we hate it and disagree with it, that’s just the way it is. It’s a brutal look at the situation that Boise State is in.
So, don’t hate the team (Oregon for jumping us this week, some other team next week), hate the system that produces these results.
But... the fans!
The fans are so fun to tease. Please give us that, Nick.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
As a web admin
I sometimes wish people would curse with correct spelling and no punctuation marks. Thereby my filter would kick in and change it to something more uniquely amusing. It’s too bad SB Nation doesn’t have that.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
TCU should be ahead of BSU
I hate to move the conversation away from the Oregon dispute, but I think you made a mistake ranking BSU ahead of TCU.
Not only did TCU beat BSU in a bowl game 2 years ago, but it also plays in the MWC. I think these two factors will lead the voters to conclude that last year’s Fiesta Bowl shouldn’t be taken into account. If TCU goes undefeated, the Broncos will drop behind them.
by Winnipeg Bronco on Oct 6, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions
At the risk of jumping into a conversation where I have no stake (besides sanity), I’m not so sure. I think that voters will stick to their dumb ways of “we can’t drop this team unless they don’t show up one weekend” if it’s non-AQ vs. non-AQ, just like they stick to it if it’s AQ team vs. AQ team. They’re only willing to forgo that nonsense if it’s AQ vs non-AQ. Especially since the more recent and higher profile bowl was a Bronco win. But, like the original post said, I think y’all would end up on top, but I’m not certain.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Not really.
I’m pretty sure people will remember SMU hanging with TCU and not being able to score much until late against CSU.
Also add that even though TCU is in the MWC, it went from a 3 team league to a 2 team one.. and we’re still not sure how good Utah is as they really haven’t played anybody of note.
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
How about a different way of ranking teams?
I enjoyed your fatalistic approach to ranking college football teams given the present BCS climate. May I offer a different approach to rankings, free from any human bias?
Remember, it’s early in the season, and I don’t think the Broncos have played their best football yet.
Ed
So,
It’s driven by the expectations of the Vegas spread?
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"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
"It takes no talent to give great effort."
"We’re not going to play to the outside noise." -- Chris Petersen
"[Kellen] Moore is a walking Staples® button." -- Ivan Maisel
Bias against Boise State
Much of the bias against Boise State comes from the illogical conclusion that nothing good can come from Boise. It should be without question that the two best teams in the country are Oregon and Boise State. Which one is best I don’t know. But it is obvious the pac 10 this year is far better than the sec. Look at Oregon’s win over TN by a much greater margin than Florida’s win. Oregon is at least as good as Alabama. As far as Boise State, well, nobody beats them in Boise. No one. Ohio States schedule isn’t much stronger than Boise States. Look at who they are playing. Boise State may be in a relatively, (and I do mean relatively) weaker conference than others, but they beat their opponents by huge margins. Boise State beat the relatively same Oregon Ducks team last year, but the team seems a little better this year. It is time to get over prejudices against a team because they come from a city nobody ever heard of, and look at the strength of the teams. Boise State plays at least four very good teams this year. Don’t discount Nevada. They are better than they are given credit for.
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