BIFFF on Boise State versus Toledo
by Kevan Lee on Oct 12, 2010 12:00 PM PDT
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PrintKellen Moore was his usual prolific self on Saturday. But how prolific might he have been? The Boise State defense gave up more yards than usual. So what's up with that?
These are questions that BIFFF can help answer thanks to gamecharting, formulas, and some good old fashioned football analysis. Continue reading for the advanced stats and interesting tidbits from Boise State's win over Toledo, and let me know in the comments if the stats match your impressions.
The Bronco Institute of Football Facts and Figures (BIFFF)seeks to add context and numbers to Boise State statistics. Some of it is math, much of it is game charting, and the rest is pie charts.
The BIFFF Box Score
| Statistics |  |  |
Explanations |
|---|---|---|---|
| Final Score | 14 | 57 | |
| Swing Points | 0 | 7 | Points on defense, special teams or drives < 25 yds |
| Turnovers | 5 | 0 | |
| Total Yards | 287 | 500 | |
| Net Yards | 243 | 434 | Yards on offense minus penalties |
| Wasted Yards | 193 | 64 | Yards on non-scoring drives (including penalties) |
| Yds on Scoring Drives | 129 | 411 | Yards on scoring drives (including penalties) |
| Passing Yards | 222 | 293 | |
| Completions | 21 | 17 | |
| Attempts | 29 | 23 | |
| Yds per Attempt | 7.7 | 12.7 | |
| Rushing Yards | 65 | 207 | |
| Attempts | 31 | 40 | |
| Average | 2.1 | 5.2 | |
| Penalty Yards | 44 | 66 | |
| Penalties | 5 | 5 | |
| Average | 8.8 | 13.2 | |
| Plays | 60 | 63 | |
| Yds per Play | 4.8 | 8.0 | |
| Run:Pass Ratio | 28:32 | 40:23 | |
| Negative Plays | 7 | 1 | Plays that gained negative yardage |
| Third Down Conversion Pct | 55% | 43% | |
| Conversions | 6 | 3 | |
| Attempts | 11 | 7 | |
| Avg Yards to go | 6.5 | 5.5 | |
| Avg Field Position | TOL 28 | BSU 38 | Average starting field position |
Notable:
- Boise State would have averaged 2 yards to go on 3rd down were it not for a 3rd and 30 on the last series of the game.
- The numbers show that Toledo's offense had a pretty decent day except for the copious amounts of turnovers. The Rockets converted more than half of their 3rd downs, they averaged nearly five yards per play, and they completed 73 percent of their passes. Teams have done much worse than that against this Bronco defense.
- Boise State averaged nearly 13 yards per pass attempt. That is just not fair.
- The Broncos' lackluster kickoff coverage did not show too badly in the final average field position stat, thanks to a couple of Toledo special teams penalties and some second half touchbacks by Trevor Harman. Hopefully he didn't use up his touchback quota in garbage time.
- Boise State's only negative play of the game was a Drew Wright 7-yard loss late in the fourth quarter.
- As far as game charting goes, this one was a tough one due to WAC TV's go-to replay angle being a very low sideline camera that was like watching the broadcast view except standing in a hole.
- Thanks again to MKingery for his help with this weekly feature.
The five most interesting stats from Boise State versus Toledo
Boise State missed a lot of tackles
The Broncos were at their tackling worst on Saturday night, whiffing 17 times on Toledo ball carriers. That was by far the highest total of the season and the only time so far that the team has even been in double digits.
Your missed tackle leaderboard from Saturday: Jeron Johnson (4), Kharyee Marshall (2), George Iloka, Aaron Tevis, J.C. Percy, Byron Hout, Jarrell Root, Shea McClellin, Winston Venable, Brandyn Thompson, Jason Robinson, Antwon Murray, Tommy Smith.
Boise State was successful on four out of five rushing attempts
Note: Successful plays gain 50 percent of needed yards on 1st down, 75 percent of needed yards on 2nd down, or 100 percent of needed yards on 3rd or 4th down.
Out of Boise State's 40 rushing attempts Saturday night, 32 times the Broncos had successful plays. Jeremy Avery went 5-for-7, and Doug Martin was 7-for-8 (he would have been 8-for-8 had he gained a single extra yard on his four-yard 1st and 10 carry).
Toledo passed with more success than usual against Boise State
Again using the metric of successful plays, the Rockets were 17-for-29 on dropbacks Saturday night, converting successful plays nearly 60 percent of the time. A big part of that was WR Eric Page whose 11 receptions were successful nine times, including five straight to open the game.
Kellen Moore was even more on the money than we thought
Moore threw incomplete six times on Saturday night, and here they all are:
- Sideline pass to Austin Pettis. Drop.
- Pass over the middle to Austin Pettis. Drop.
- Screen pass to Doug Martin. Drop.
- Sideline throw to Titus Young. Missed throw.
- Out route to Tyler Shoemaker. Pass broken up.
- End zone pass to Titus Young. Throw away.
To recap: three drops, a PBU, a throw away, and one miss. Give this man his Heisman already!
Toledo blitzed extensively on Boise State's two-minute drill drive
The Rockets must have thought that pressuring Kellen Moore was the easiest way to ensure that a 90-yard drive in 70 seconds didn't happen. Not so much, huh. Toledo blitzed on four out of Moore's five completions, and before you knew it, Boise State was at the five yard-line, knocking on the door.
Your turn
What are your thoughts on Boise State's stats against Toledo? Did it feel like the Rockets were having success through the air? Do you think Pettis deserves credit for his two drops? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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sounds about right...
Toledo could not run the ball but had some success passing. I think we all agree that if their is a small chink in the best college defense in the world, its in the secondary. I was surprised at the 17 missed tackle number but it does explain the higher passing numbers for toledo, if we had tackled soundly a lot of those passes would have gone for much shorter gains. Clean up the missed tackles and I feel kinda bad for sjsu!
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 12, 2010 12:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Three of Toledo’s longest pass plays of the night involved nine of those 17 missed tackles, so yeah … shore up missed tackles and SJSU probably doesn’t gain yards.
"Sugar-free punch. This bites!" - Tim
I wasn’t able to watch the game, just listen to it. Did it look like the missed tackles were because Rockets were breaking tackles, or because Broncos were missing tackles? My theory is that Toledo is pretty good for a MAC team.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
by marktgarten on Oct 12, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
How did you listen to it?
I looked all over for a link to he broadcast and couldn’t find one.
I keep hearing Sports Media say that Boise State should schedule nothing but Top BCS teams out of conference. So in effect, they're saying Boise State should play NONE of their non-conferences games at home? Yeah that makes sense.
Bronco Vision
I tried watching it on Bronco Vision, but my connection speed must be too slow, because it was all buffering this, buffering that.
I was nice last year when I could listen to radio broadcasts for free. Oh, the downside of becoming a big-time program.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
96.9 in Boise is broadcasting the radio feed of the games
should be online as well
there is no 'Z' in 'Boise'
there is no 'O' in 'Petersen'
there is no edit button on SBNation
by Boise State of Mind on Oct 13, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
It did seem like the game was a little bit closer than Wyoming or New Mexico State. But at the same time, the Broncos made plays when they needed to, hence the 193 wasted yards by the Toledo offense. Most of the turnovers came at really bad times when it appeared they were getting ready to score. That can be attributed to the Boise State defense. It seemed a like like the “bend but not break” attitude that they have had in the past. Still, I would have liked to see a little more game planning for a guy like Eric Page. When Hawaii comes to town, the secondary needs to be at its best.
I don't think it was bend dont break
I think it was the 17 missed tackles. I would be interested to know toledo’s YAC yards. Peterson talked about Paige and mentioned that they spent all week game planning that guy and was frustrated that they couldn’t stop him and chalked it up to him being a great talent.
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 12, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The quick passing game ...
… may be the Boise State defense’s kryptonite – no time for the D-line to dominate. I can’t wait to see how Kwiatkowski schemes to stop it.
"Sugar-free punch. This bites!" - Tim
by Kevan Lee on Oct 12, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
As some recently said "is that the best you've got".
Quick-outs are fine as seasoning but make a poor meal. It takes an extraordinarily discplined offense to make that function regularly. If you posit that the team trying it has no running game (we’re good against it), cannot stretch the field due to responsive D-line, than it is only a matter of tiem before the QB makes the mistake that leads to int. That said Toledo had some drives.
tvmunson
I'll take the quick-outs over any other thing any day. Better than running it or deep plays.
You’re gonna’ get a false start, hold, etc or a turnover. if that’s our weakness, well, King Kiong had a weakness for blondes; if he’d have stayed out of NYC he’d a been ok.
tvmunson
Yes - great analys
For whatever it’s worth (which isn’t much), I have thought our weakness on D has been speed (or lack thereof) on the outside, and short passes. Combine the two (short out routes against a soft zone) and we’re in trouble. VT did it, and Toledo did too.
We do seem to be good at bending, but not breaking. But still, it worries me – a lot!
The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight
by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Oct 13, 2010 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh - and sweeps scare me too
Especially when you’ve got a speedy RB.
The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight
by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Oct 13, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
our corners arent much help in run d
so the sweeps may be a concern if a back was quick enough. I hadn’t thought of that, thanks a lot!!!!! Of course Venable IS a run stopper so that makes me feel better!
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 13, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions
oh, and Illoka came off of blocks well against Toledo on a few occasions too!
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 13, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Quick passing game's kryptonite.
Almost all quick passing games include the quick slant, quick stop, speed in, and maybe a quick curl. It’s all timing. As in, one, two, ball’s out. if your DB’s can press them to three, you win.
Bronco defenders looked as though they played off the receiver too much for the quick pass. They must drop to inside coverage and press on EVERY play to disrupt the timing of the quick slant and speed in( since these are most effective). You have to have safety help over the top in case they check out to a go route. You are still vulnerable to a quick curl on the outside, this is why the press is important. The quick stop will have inside DB’s chomping at the bit if you throw it, it’s a non-starter. Last a linebacker must drop into coverage. With guys like Eric Page, the LB will spy him all the time in addition to his DB that he lines up against. The DB is inside the receiver to press the LB is over the top 5 yards deep. No route is open for him, they must check out to get him the ball. The DB is about disrupting the time and jumping the route. The LB is there to take his head off should he catch it.
Quick passing is routinely run from the spread now and the emphasis is on creating mismatches. Getting their best guy against your weakest. The defense basically has to have the same mindset and create their own mismatches. Whether you double cover, stunt and blitz, or play zone, you must constantly disguise your coverage to gain the advantage. Kwiakowtski (sp?) has been very good at this so far. Wilcox was great at it, but I think Pete may be better, or at least his approach is. It helps when your D-line is so disruptive up front too.
You can’t do this all game long, but it is effective when you know they’re attempting to negate your pass rush. Which is what Toledo was doing. It was a survival tactic, and it worked. This is where the Broncos missed tackles became problematic. 5 turnovers can be accounted for the same aggressiveness that led to bad tackling. So in the end it evened out. if you’re going to press and jump routes you had better be able to lock down an open field tackle.
I keep hearing Sports Media say that Boise State should schedule nothing but Top BCS teams out of conference. So in effect, they're saying Boise State should play NONE of their non-conferences games at home? Yeah that makes sense.
by Mikrino on Oct 13, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw a lot of zone on Saturday night. Your gameplan calls for mostly man coverage, am I right?
"Sugar-free punch. This bites!" - Tim
Yes and no.
You’re basically in man because the quick pass demands it. But if the WR were to run a “sluggo” (slant and go), which is good against an overarggresive press, you wouldn’t want your DB alone in man coverage. Which is why your Safety over the top and possibly the LB play a zone of sorts. Just like the Spread is basically a hybrid of schemes, your defense has to be as well. With Kyle Wilson last year, you had a different scenario. Basically one side of the field played man straight up (Wilson) and the other side played a flat zone. Thompson held the flat while Iloka and Johnson were free to roam above. Venable was free too, which is why you saw him, Johnson and Iloka always around the ball. It may not be exactly as I describe, but I think that’s it in a nutshell. you free up lot of room when one guy can hold his own.
The zone can be a weakness against quick passing. We (my boys 3rd and 4th grade team) run in the spread as a no huddle hurry up. 2×2 with a RB in the I. five options. The left side (from the outside in) we run a go and a quick stop. Right side we run a post and and quick slant. RB is the check. all four wideouts are instructed to find space, NOT necessarily run the exact route. Zone is defeated that way. We call no plays, there is only the five routes.
If you are only going to play zone the the flat zone should be inside the wideout, not lined up with him. You know the high percentage play is the quick slant, so stand in the way. Take away the high percentage and get them to a more defendable pass (a post or a quick in if you have help).
We play a 5-3 defense which is obviously predicated against running offenses (which is the majority of what you face when its 9-10 year olds). But we don’t label our positions. When you label them, you limit what you think they can do. Our DE’s (I will label them now) take away a quick slant by backing out instead of engaging the pass rush, limiting the window in which the ball can be thrown. with a DB inside, you are virtually forced to go somewhere else, that play is dead. If you spread us out, our 5-3 becomes a 3-9, only you can’t tell because nobody moves. Our LB’s will shift (two to the strong side, one to the weak) seconds before the snap. You can’t have more options than we have defenders.
I kind of divulged into defending the spread, but you get the idea.
I keep hearing Sports Media say that Boise State should schedule nothing but Top BCS teams out of conference. So in effect, they're saying Boise State should play NONE of their non-conferences games at home? Yeah that makes sense.
by Mikrino on Oct 13, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
First off, I want to play for you
So you’re kind of describing a Man Cover 2 in the first paragraph then – man underneath with safety help over the top. Works for me. I’m a fan of that look.
Interesting take on the zone flat defense against the spread. Typically corners in zone are coached to line up off the boundary shoulder of the receiver since you want to funnel him inside to the rest of the zone. In man, you line up on the inside shoulder and funnel him toward the sideline so you can use it as an extra defender. I see the value in what you say, though.
"Sugar-free punch. This bites!" - Tim
Yeah I'm no football strategist, by any means.
We actually do preach the outside DB lining up on the boundary and holding contain, in an effort to push the play back inside. Unless they decide to spread it out, and only a couple teams do at this age. We’re just trying to eliminate open spaces with bodies. And at this level, the quick pass is all you got really. We only have to get them to defend for 3-4 seconds at the most. and if our DB’s can press them to the sideline and take away that slant, 90 percent of their passing game is now owned by the defense. I don’t know if that would work at a higher level, but suffice it to say, nobody tries to pass the ball against us. 5 INTs 2 for TDs this season.
I keep hearing Sports Media say that Boise State should schedule nothing but Top BCS teams out of conference. So in effect, they're saying Boise State should play NONE of their non-conferences games at home? Yeah that makes sense.
OMG!!!! Hope this is more effective than it was in Middle School...
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"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 12, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
can we just make it a rule that after screwing that up, the next post has to be this one?
"Or, if boarding the bus is just too difficult for an Establishmentarian to do, get your snob school to schedule the Broncos home-and-home. Any takers?" - Pat Forde
by reflectivity on Oct 12, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
paige
I think it was Kevan who, correctly, equated Paige to Barnes. Last year we shut Barnes down, 4 catches for something like 34 yards. Also last year we had a future #1 draft pick who blanketed him the entire game. Coach Pete has said this year that corner is the toughest position to play but bsu was fortunate to have a guy back there that made it look so simple the last few years. I think Taylor and Thompson have played admirable so far and it seems like Gavins is coming around, dark days are ahead for bsu opponets!
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 12, 2010 1:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
People forget Kyle was locking down corner since '06-like a knee brace, you get used to it.
We’re coming along, and our bacon-less but still fomidable D-line will assure that the secondarywill not get picked apart. Jonathan Brown is a hittlerlicious safety, and I saw where our reshirt recruit at CB was scout defensive POW. Taylor needs to tighten a tad but no one appears ready to challenge Thompson.
tvmunson
teams are trying to dink and dunk
But if guys make the initial tackle we still force a 3rd and 5 or 6. Illoka made some big time open field tackles and maybe we will see Jeron and Venable closer to the line of scrimmage to help shut down the quick outs. Agree on the corners, they are playing better but will still probably have growing pains particularly against a speedy wes welker type reciever. I don’t think the short passing game is a new problem either it seems to be what our defenses give the other team so that we can take away the run and vertical passing game, there is a reason JJ has led the team in tackles the last two years.
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 12, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
oops
Meant that as a reply to Kevan and Munson. Posting on my phone causes such errors.
"As soon as they're in the open field, nobody is going to catch them. Doug, even if somebody is right in front of him, he might run him over."
- Travis Stanaway
by TooMuchYoung on Oct 12, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactamendo Too Much- once you take away the run, the vertical game, the next on the O checklist
is the quickout-type stuff. If you want to try to move the ball consistently downfield on the Broncos with that good luck. It’s like trying to take a shower with the Wicked Witch of the West.
tvmunson
Awesome analysis!
Wow… this is great stuff. Thanks for creating & sharing!!!
The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight
by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Oct 13, 2010 1:27 AM PDT reply actions
To recap: three drops, a PBU, a throw away, and one miss. Give this man his Heisman already!
To be honest, I keep thinking that Kellen is going to go all Inigo Montoya on us and in the middle of a game and suddenly say “ahh, I know something you do not know, I am not left-handed!”
by ninjamonkey1 on Oct 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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