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Boise State finishes No. 4 in both final polls thanks to a flood of Texas support

Despite a 14-0 season, the Broncos found themselves at No. 4 in the final AP and Coaches' polls released today, behind national champion Alabama, title game loser Texas, and Tebow-led Florida. Did voters get it right?

After the jump, take a look at the final totals from both polls, see how AP voters cast their ballots, and discuss whether or not Texas deserved to stay at No. 2 after last night's game.

Star-divide

First off, thanks to Mikrino and mountngrown for posting FanShots about the final rankings. I owe you each 100 Loque bucks, which can be exchanged for Haberman nickels if you want.

Final AP Top 25 and USA Today Coaches' Poll

(Note: Ignore the BCS rankings; they are not updated.)


Football Rankings



Was Alabama-Texas really that good of a ballgame?

I'll be honest. I did not watch the whole thing. From what I saw, there were several big plays and shifts in momentum, but there were also inconceivably awful fake punts, bad special teams decisions, final-minute shovel pass interceptions, and long stretches without offense. Is this what the Gene Wojciechowski media types love to see?

When I heard that Boise State finished fourth behind Alabama, Texas, and Florida, I assumed that the order was 1) Alabama, 2) Florida, and 3) Texas. My theory was that voters kept Texas ahead of the Broncos because they could not justifiably drop the Longhorns when Colt McCoy played so sparingly in the title game. 

Nope, the voters gave Texas credit for a somewhat close loss to the Crimson Tide. Too much credit? You tell me. After seeing Texas in the national championship game, were you impressed?

How the AP voters cast their ballots

Thanks to Mikrino for hunting PollStalker to find the Boise State voter breakdown. Here is a peek at who voted the Broncos where. Scroll down to the bottom of the list for the inevitable Craig James swing-and-miss.

(Note: I bolded some noteworthy votes.)

VoterRank
Andy Staples 2
Bob Asmussen 2
Chadd Cripe 2
Dave Matter 2
Doug Lesmerises 2
Jake Schaller 2
Jeff Gravley 2
Jimmy Burch 2
Joe Giglio 2
Marcus Fuller 2
Mark Anderson 2
Mike DiRocco 2
Mike Hlas 2
Pete DiPrimio 2
Ray Fittipaldo 2
Ray Ratto 2
Ryan Finley 2
Steve Conroy 2
Tom Hart 2
Tom Keegan 2
Travis Haney 2
Wade Denniston 2
Brett McMurphy 3
Garland Gillen 3
Glenn Guilbeau 3
John Davis 3
Teddy Feinberg 3
Tom Mulhern 3
Adam Van Brimmer 4
Angelique Chengelis 4
Barker Davis 4
Bob Condotta 4
Chris Fowler 4
Desmond Conner 4
Doug Doughty 4
Eric Hansen 4
Eric Schmoldt 4
Israel Gutierrez 4
Jay G. Tate 4
Joe Rexrode 4
John Adams 4
John Clay 4
John Hunt 4
Jon Wilner 4
Keith Sargeant 4
Kirk Herbstreit 4
Matt McCoy 4
Mike Finger 4
Mike Herndon 4
Mike Strain 4
Mitch Vingle 4
Paul Arnett 4
Rich Kaipust 4
Rick Nyman 4
Robbie Neiswanger 4
Sal Interdonato 4
Scott Wolf 4
Steve Campbell 4
Kirk Bohls 5
Craig James 7

James was far and away the most anti-Boise AP voter of the bunch. Voting Boise State at No. 7 is inexcusable. Voting TCU at No. 14 is just as bad. Here is James' Top Ten:

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The worst part is that the Broncos only finished four points behind Florida in the AP poll. Hmm, where might you find four extra points? If Craig James had voted like a rational human being, the Broncos could have at least got three more points (if James put them at No. 4).

And then there's Austin, Texas, sportwriter Kirk Bohls, the only other man in American to put Boise State below No. 4 in the country. He dropped the Broncos below ... wait for it ... THE Ohio State University. We'll laugh about this later. I swear we will. Bohls and James were the only ones with OSU in front of BSU. Had Bohls swapped the Broncos and the Buckeyes, Boise State would have picked up an extra AP point and been tied with Florida for No. 3.

There. Problem solved.

Now why is Texas still 30 points ahead of both of Florida and Boise State?

Time heals all wounds, perhaps even the recurring shin-kick that college football keeps giving us

Several months from now, when Bronco fans are focused on the 2010 Season of Destiny, these final rankings will be an afterthought. In the grand scheme of things, the final poll really only makes an impact on Boise State's record books and Wikipedia entries. Final rankings are nice for posterity's sake, but they don't do a whole lot for you unless you end up at the top of them.

In that case, despite the disappointing final result, Bronco fans should really be celebrating such a high ranking. It is the highest finish for the football team in school history. It matches the team's highest ranking ever (Boise State was No. 4 in the BCS this season). It is roughly 70 spots higher than the next WAC team. There is a lot to be thankful for. It just might take some time to see things that way.

Does the final vote say anything about voter perception of the Broncos? Is it predictive of next year's preseason poll?

Some people (including myself to some degree) thought that the final polls might give some insight into how voters will handle Boise State next season. The thought was that if pollsters put Boise State at No. 2, they respect the Broncos enough to keep them with college football's elite next preseason. If the Broncos finished worse than No. 3, the thought was that there still exists a barrier between the Broncos and the equality that they seek.

Well, Boise State finished No. 4, so we may have our answer.

Voters are not completely sold on Boise State yet, for whatever reason. Some of it may be that there are some other very good football teams this season, but another part of it is that voters still hold certain biases against certain teams, schedules, and conferences.

Does Boise State's No. 4 finish change your mind on where they might start in the polls next season?

Your turn

I want to hear your take on things. How do you feel about the Broncos finishing No. 4? Did Texas deserve to be above Florida and BSU in the final polls? How might the Broncos' finish impact the 2010 preseason poll? Share your thoughts in the comments. Let's discuss.

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God help us all

Cause at this rate, I’m losing my mind

by Nick Kroes on Jan 8, 2010 7:29 AM PST reply actions  

What's wrong with this picture

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Florida
4. Boise State

Texas and Florida both had their cracks at Alabama and lost. Boise State will never get that chance. Yet, they don’t even get the benefit of the doubt that they would be the 2nd best team behind Alabama? How does that work?

Also, God bless Andy Staples.

by Nick Kroes on Jan 8, 2010 7:32 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

CFB is the only sport...

That I can love and absolutely HATE at the same time. I love the Broncos, but I hate the system with a passion that no man or woman can possibly comprehend.

You said it best, 2 teams above us had their crack at Bama. We will never get a crack at Bama. This is more than unfair. I know there are thing in life that are unfair and I’m ok with that. This is unfair crossed with mindless stupidity sprinkled with a whole lot of bias.

We need to develop some sort of “Oversight Committee” to balance the subjectivity of the polls. If Craig James wants to rank an undefeated Boise St #7, who by the way has 2 wins over BCS top 10 teams, the Poll Oversight Committee (P.O.S.- appropriate because I feel the entire system is a PIECE OF BAD WORDS!) can take a look at this and say, “Sorry Mr. James, you need to explain yourself or relinquish your vote because you are obviously not qualified to participate.” This would make it a HUGE headache for the voters who have historical biases which would probably lead to many of them giving up their voting privileges. That would lead to more motivated, educated voters and a better overall product.

Also, I fully expect an article from Wojonutsski completely tearing down last night’s game as an error-filled, omelet laying on the part of both teams. Anyone have his e-mail?

by MooreWalksOnWater on Jan 8, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Wojonardiski's E-Mail:

gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com

I just sent him a scathing letter demanding the same type of negative article written about the game last night.

by MooreWalksOnWater on Jan 8, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

The BCS got it right.

For BCS standards, that is.

Last year, Utah was ranked #2. It’s because they played and defeated Alabama. The BCS made the perfect decision to match up TCU and Boise St. to protect their own interests. This poll and Gene Wojafrisky are blatant results of that decision.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 7:43 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

That was so beautiful, it brought a tear to my eye. Mike Leach would be proud.

by casketbase on Jan 8, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Laughing

Harder than anything on Obnug outside of Mr. Fiskers.

by Cougarflounder on Jan 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think that Boise State starts next season in the top 5. The early polls I’ve seen have them ranked 2-3. Then again, last season, the early pre-pre-preseason polls had them in the top 10 (around 9th), and they started 14th.

4th place, though? I’m so excited about that. I’ve never cheered for a college team ranked so high. I don’t think there’s a huge difference between finishing 2nd and finishing 4th.

by Egnowit on Jan 8, 2010 8:01 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

4th place, though? I’m so excited about that.

That’s really encouraging to hear. I am rec’ing this because I want to be like you.

"Only film the ones that are standing, Kenneth." - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Jan 8, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve never cheered for a college team ranked so high

You did earlier this year

by Nick Kroes on Jan 8, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

However.

“Well, the way the system’s set up, no. Because we’re not in the national championship game and that’s what that’s all about. And the winner of the Alabama-Texas game, they’re going to be crowned that,” said Petersen. “But maybe down the line they will tweak it. I know down the line we’re going to have a high ranking, probably higher then we ever have.”

If Coach Petersen thinks we’ll be ranked higher than ever (#4), it means the he either believes in pre-season polls, or that we’re going to beat Oregon State and Virginia Tech well before next season.

I love this guy so much, it almost crosses the bar between Guy Love (Intern! Link! Stat!)

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

Computers have BSU at #3

The three BCS computer rankings so far (Sagarin, Massey & Wolfe) all have the Broncos at #3.

"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."

by MKingery on Jan 8, 2010 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

Who's above them?

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Alabama and Florida in each of them.

"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."

by MKingery on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Have I mentioned how much I hate polls?

I do. I really do.

At least I don’t have to see or think about them 7 and a half months.

I have attended every home Boise State football game since 1992.

by JasonHaberman on Jan 8, 2010 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Phil Steele comes out earlier.

But, I bet he’s going to LOVE Boise State in it.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

It's the same old arguement, friends.

There’s a perceived ceiling for “Mid-majors” even if they go undefeated because the thought is they play in a non-AQ conference. Yes, Utah and Boise State have knocked on the NC game’s door, but the old arguement is if Boise State played in the SEC or Big Ten or whaterver, we very likely would have a couple (or more) loses.

Sure, we could give the top teams headaches and probably beat an Indiana, Baylor, or a Vanderbuilt 10 out of 10 times. But back-to-back games with a Georgia, LSU, Florida or a Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State would be brutal. Texas, Nebraska, OU. You name ’em.

Population base, athletic budget, recruiting, 100 years of alumni giving, facilities… Boise State is at a distinct disadvantage to these programs and we’re lucky to be mentioned in the top 5. I credit our Coaching Staff.

But hey,… we’re ESPN darlings, respected, feared, and a proven winner – no matter who we suit up against. But there remains a slight stigma in many offices of the national press that we’re still just a Big Frog in a Little Pond.

Looking forward to them all eating a little crow in 2010.

GO BRONCOS!!

by FirstDown on Jan 8, 2010 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree with that.

“If we played in the SEC, PAC10, or BIG 10 or wherever, we’d lose a couple games or more.”

First, there’s the argument that we would be able recruit on the same level of teams from those conference. Which has to be part of the equation.

 Then there’s the fact that members of those conference can go with a loss or two to a title game. So a loss doesn’t exclude us, as it does now.

Last, Boise State beat the eventual PAC10 champ this year. With the way that conference went this year, I am confident Boise State could be right up there THIS year, without an advantage in recruiting.

In all actuality, I think the Broncos would have a few losses upon moving to better conference. But only in the first year or two. I’d also argue that with the year’s bowl win, BSU will at least be recruiting on a level comparable to lower and mid level BCS teams now. That gap is not as large as tWWL would have you believe. And as with all recruiting the real difference is coaching. Which we all can agree Boise State has in spades.

The Broncos are not far off. Coach Pete, I believe would agree. Football smarts go long way when size, strength, and speed are lacking.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)

by Mikrino on Jan 8, 2010 5:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

What if TCU Won?

Anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that TCU would have wound up 2nd if the Fiesta Bowl were played exactly the same, but the outcome were different?
I think the gadgetry clouds people’s vision.
Speaking of gadgetry, did anyone else notice First Quarter Nick Satan thought he was Chris Petersen? Apparently no one told him that Alabama doesn’t have our athletes.

by casketbase on Jan 8, 2010 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

So was the one BSU used

The difference is Percy made the right call on the audible…both times while you are at it because he audibled out of it earlier in the game.

by Mountngrown on Jan 11, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been hearing a lot lately....

how Mark James’s son is lazy, mean spirited, selfish, and not all that bright… Apparently the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.. The only conflict I feel is whether he will get my support next year as Public Enemy #1 (and general BW clown of the year) or whether I’ll be pulling for Mark BW May…

by Polynikes on Jan 8, 2010 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

On the one hand...

Boise State earns their highest ever postseason ranking. Unfortunately, this comes the same year as our highest ever preseason ranking…in a season where we moved up the polls slower than an Andy Dalton sideline pass or just dropped a numerous spots for no apparent reason.

I’m encouraged by the number of 2 votes that the Broncos received, but also baffled by UT getting as much love as they did since most of the punditry thought they were the second best team in Texas. I don’t think there should ever be that much disparity between two 14-0 squads, but there is no way I would have picked the Broncos lower than 3rd.

by Drew Roberts on Jan 8, 2010 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

Craig James, always involved in scandal

Craig James was part of SMU, the team that was accused of receiving large sums of money from school boosters.

His son is the cry baby who didn’t like being put in a dark room for too long without a night light.

He voted Oregon ahead of BSU during the season, after BSU had beat Oregon. One of only 8 voters to do so.

Now he has voted BSU 7th? He is the only one in the country to vote Ohio, Penn and Iowa ahead of BSU.

What a obviously bias fool. And involved in yet another scandal.

by ListenerNumber17 on Jan 8, 2010 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

Aha!

Welcome, Caves! This board is up for plenty of OBNUGgery with you involved.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

What is KTIK?

What are you talking about?

by ListenerNumber17 on Jan 8, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You know we all follow you on Facebook and Twitter right?

Right!!

BSU don't need smoke and mirrors to get the job done, they got orange pants.

by Belexes on Jan 8, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't hound the new guy.

This is why Tom Scott doesn’t join.

Or, rather. He doesn’t join with his real name! … Belexes

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd just like to squelch the rumor that I'm Graham Watson

We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross

by marktgarten on Jan 8, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

What discourages me.

Is that they’re not only doing this to Bronco Nation, they’re doing it to student athletes and the best coaching staff in the nation.

After the Fiesta Bowl, I thought Nick Saban was a lock for the Coach of the Year award. Then I saw his awful play calling last night and knew that Coach Petersen would win it hands down.

And then these polls came out, which tells me all I need to know in the faith I have in these coaches who vote for best coach. Saban coached awful. He tried to be tricky, pass the ball over and over, and pulled everything away from Alabama’s bread and butter until he was forced to play with his bread and butter. Worst. Coaching. Ever.

Sadly, nobody will see that. Sorry Coach Pete. I love that you love Boise, but I hope that you don’t grow weary of never getting any respect.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 8:47 AM PST reply actions  

Craig James

just showed his true colors. Totally biased BAD WORDS!!!! What a douche bag. I think Mike Leach locked the wrong James in that shed. Of course Adam James is a giant db as well. The apple doesn’t fall far from the James family tree. I wonder what he ranked Texas Tech?

by bhopefull on Jan 8, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I wonder what he ranked Texas Tech?

He has Tech at #23 and is the only voter to leave Utah unranked.

"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."

by MKingery on Jan 8, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Reverse psychology.

Maybe this is to make Boise State think that there is still some respect for us to earn out there. Then we can still play with a chip on our shoulders. Even if it’s a small one.

by CaptainBronco on Jan 8, 2010 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

Sometimes I get the feeling that respect is:

having been in contention for a NC sometime between 1935 and 1975.

After all, Georgia Tech found respect after only one year with Paul Johnson. I think they deserve respect, but it sure took a lot less time for them.

by Hooper on Jan 8, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Craig James 7

Will someone stuff him in a closet?

"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby

by 49er16 on Jan 8, 2010 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

An electrical one.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Sports Journalist rankings

Maybe we should come up with our own poll that ranks the sports journalists/writers. We could all vote each week and move them up or down in the poll depending on what kind of stuff they write.

by bhopefull on Jan 8, 2010 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

I 2nd this.

Name the contestants and we’ll get it going starting pre-season next year.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

We need two polls. One for good sportswriters, and one for bad.

The contestants would be any sportswriter. Just like a team can jump onto the poll with an upset win, a good (or particularly bad) article might get people to vote for them.

This could really be fun.

(If we do it with the polling feature here, though, you’re right that we’ll need a slate of candidates first.)

by Egnowit on Jan 8, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

They have that over at pollspeak.com

Scott Wolf is the current bad voter. But you can vote for Craig James and change that. I did.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)

by Mikrino on Jan 8, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem with this is that people like Craig James won’t show up on the poll, for the same reason that Idaho doesn’t get votes in the football poll.

We might want to do both a best-of and a worst-of poll.

by Egnowit on Jan 8, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I was thinking of a situation where good sports writers would be ranked, and James—like Idaho—wouldn’t be ranked. But on reflection, that wouldn’t satisfy us very well. We’d probably want a top 10 of bad writers, not good writers.

Or both.

by Egnowit on Jan 8, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahhh.

You had me worried for a second there.

by Drew Roberts on Jan 8, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I think its a collective effort to prevent 1984 from repeating itself.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)

by Mikrino on Jan 8, 2010 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

No comparison

byu beat a 6-6 Michigan team! Bo’s worse team!

Plus Michigan should of won that game!!!

by Prophet0fFF on Jan 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Boise State 2010 Preseason #2 by Pete Thamel of the New York Times

1. Alabama
2. Boise State
3. Texas
4. Oregon
5. TCU
6. Florida
7. Ohio State
8. Iowa
9. Virginia Tech
10. USC

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/way-too-early-top-10-for-2010/

by FirstDown on Jan 8, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

positive twist

 I feel the team got ripped by being #4, I hope the team feels the same way. We all know how many starters are coming back, plus some very good red shirts are moving up. Now the team has a great big chip on there shoulder to drive them through all the long days of training, running, lifting.
 I never thought 09 would be this great of a year, was really thinking it would be 2010. But after the win over TCU, I thought maybe they would have a bit of let down in 2010. But now this insult should push them past any let down.
 I say the 2010 theme should be “DESTROY ALL”

by homerundex on Jan 8, 2010 10:02 AM PST reply actions  

Our D will be G.O.A.T. next year.

Tyrone Crawford will step right in and be an All-WAC DE along with Winterswyk.

Billy Winn and Chase Baker have another year of experience under their belts and the two-deep won’t really even be a drop off with Atkinson, Grimes, Koontz, and Jungblut or Tjong-A-Tjoe coming in. The secondary will lose a good one in Kyle Wilson but will have Jamar Taylor back and some highly touted redshirts in Ewing and Makinde (possibly even true frosh Bryan Douglas). We’re extremely deep at LB and bring back experience and add extremely talented redshirts Allen Mooney and John Michael Davis to the mix. Oh…I guess we’ll have Winston Venable, Jeron Johnson and George Iloka back too…they’re alright.

Wow…I just got myself really excited for next year and this one just ended. Anyone have any plutonium? I need to go fire up the Delorean and set it for September 2010.

by Drew Roberts on Jan 8, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Chuck hayes will be in DT rotation and recall he was #2 going in this year

O-line will have another weight room year a la Soscha. Malcolm Johnson will join a thick corps of RB’s.Burks will challenge and may win #2 behind Pettis; big, strong quick. Paradis may break but the strength there may hav ehim as another -monster-back type a la McClellin the wondertackle. Gavins may nail down CB. I dont see Crawford winning DE with McC, Root and Hout but ok. Chris Potter will emerge as will Kirby, but Shoe will be a force. Trevor Peterson is th enext Shouman you heard it here. May not get a lto next year with thick corp of Paul, Gallarda and my star Efaw who noe realizes his potential with the confidence of a Fiests Offensive POG.
Any ? Well let’s hope Botz figures out left hash problems. I guess we’ll ahve to see if there is a dropoff at cB w/o Wilson. Boise State has been showing year after year that the secondary is solid. LB-not only dont we lose anybody but several in the mix and I assume we stay in the 4-2(who knows after TCU)

tvmunson

by tmunson on Jan 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Growth think about it

And I mean in our expectations, when we beat ou he were happy with our finish, when we went undefeated last year and no bcs we where pissed this year we go to the bcs don’t get a florida , but tcu win finished rank 4th and we are mad as hell!!!

Next year with a undefeated season anything less than playing in the national championship game and we will burn down the bcs!

by Prophet0fFF on Jan 8, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

If it is not obvious by now

Boise State has hit a glass ceiling regarding the polls and its a shame. Despite wins over Oregon, TCU and a domination of the WAC the Broncos finished worse than Utah did last year.

“Does the final vote say anything about voter perception of the Broncos? Is it predictive of next year’s preseason poll?” I believe if the Broncos did run the table next year, the voters would like do everything in their collective power to prevent Boise State from playing in the BC$ Championship.

The current Bowl system is B$ and it takes college football down a notch. Craig James is officially Bronco Nation’s public enemy number one. He’s a joke, he loses all credability not only in the eyes of Bronco Nation, but everyone else in the AP that voted the Broncos 4 or better.

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by Bronco Nation Podcast on Jan 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

#4 is beautiful.

If they would factor in Strength of Budget for each college team BSU would easily be #1.
And why not since entire BCS model appears to see everything through a prism of money.

Would not want to be higher than 4-5. Have to keep the hunger.

by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Jan 8, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Strength of Budget.

Awesome. I’m using that as my defense for the next SOS talking point brought up to me.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Got no Problem with #4!

Way to go Broncos! Like Coach Pete says: “What moore can we do?” I wonder how Mr. Wojcie… liked the Texas Bama Game? Talk about boring, error filled, and lackluster. Broncos/TCU game so much better in every way!

by DuckCountryBSUFan on Jan 8, 2010 11:01 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Polls don't bother us

lack of respect does. of which you’ve shown great respect.
It’s on us next year to travel to DC support our team , it’s on the team to win it’s games and hopefully if the stars line up we’ll see you Randy in Phoenix next year..

I think you will be blown away by what great people Boise State fans are!

p.s you do understand the fiesta bowl is our second home .. ;)

by Prophet0fFF on Jan 8, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bronco Stadium South.

They might as well add us to the Big 12.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 8, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad to see some of our guys on here...

…give Boise their due. I hate the term “mid-major” but I’ll use it because it’s the term that’s used. Anyway, we at Roll Bama Roll have a pretty high opinion of what mid-majors have (and can) accomplish. I know it’s no consolation, but we voted you guys #2 in our BlogPoll Ballot.

by Nico2.0 on Jan 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Class Act

I, for one, appreciate your words and sentiment. College Football is much more enjoyable to discuss with inteligent and intellectually honest fans.

Congratulations are in order for the Tide as well.

by Mountngrown on Jan 11, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Cooper

I’m just ass peeved as the rest of you .. but this kind of pain is nothing new to me. Consider 97’ Michigan undefeated wins rose bowl osu coach cooper votes us 25th in the coaches poll and we forever have to share a championship with a team that won in mazzu on a illegal kicked ball.

As you can imagine cooper doesn’t enter the state of Michigan for fear of his life.

We should join the ranks of the Texas Techs fans calling for the firing of craig james ..

by Prophet0fFF on Jan 8, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

I'm sure you meant "as peeved"

But “ass peeved” is a great turn of phrase.

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by marktgarten on Jan 8, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

yes I did

I still haven’t adjusted since I got back to Michigan from Phoenix I was up until 7 am this morning so I’m not all with it today!

by Prophet0fFF on Jan 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

For those of you wondering what these AP voters are thinking,

here you go.

Keep in mind, some of them said one thing, and did another,

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)

by Mikrino on Jan 8, 2010 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

View from outside the Bronco nation.

I would have voted Boise State No. 2. Bottling up wildly hyped TCU was an impressive performance.

I think most voters kept Texas No. 2 because McCoy had been knocked out, and they thought it would be unfair to use the title game as a fair evaluation. But Texas was unimpressive in both of its championship games — the Big 12 title game (with an erratic McCoy) and the BCS title game. Both games, by the way, featured incredibly dreary football. So I think that was the real Texas out there last night. I would have voted them No. 4.

Voters were perhaps persuaded by Texas’ comeback, which did come as a surprise. But it was mostly a matter of Alabama playing grindout football on offense and “prevent” coverage patterns on defense. Saban clearly did not fear the Longhorns sans McCoy.

BSU may have suffered for two reasons. (1) The Broncs beat a school from a non-AQ conference, and (2) the Fiesta Bowl was 17-10. Even though the BSU defense was outstanding, there was not the electric offensive display that first made people take notice of the program.

by MAR1962 on Jan 8, 2010 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

i would have voted bsu number 2 too

did you guys see that espn has you number 2 next season. if you run the table they can’t stop you. alabama was first, then bsu, the osu. i have problems with texas at four and florida at five. texas qb needs alot of work while florida has to replace 60% of starters. i’m not even sure urban meyer wants to coach that year b/c brantley is average and there are alot of payback games in sec. vs. tech should be somewhere in top ten and when you meet on oct. 2 you both should be 3-0. i hope you throttle them badly and show the east coast writers what your team is all about. could swing some major east coast coaches and writers. i’m very excited about your teams chances at playing for the ncg. it’s in tempe too. the fiesta bowl holds the ncg next year. you would have the crowd on your side too. i hope you guys do it. best wishes.

i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know. This season, towards the middle of the season, we dropped even while winning games.

While I’d love to see a top-5 preseason start, I’m suspicious of another such performance by the voters. Start off at #2, finish undefeated at #3. I don’t think it’s out of the question, and that sort of thing worries me. (Fortunately, our schedule next year is slightly harder, and if the WAC can do us a favor and win some OOC games, this might not happen.)

by Egnowit on Jan 9, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya'll got screwed

Number 4 is a joke, should have been #2 with first place votes, but I’ve got to admit I like most of the rankings for next season. Boise and TCU both getting some top 5 love. Did you see Craig James had TCU at 14? A little mad that we have stomped SMU the past few years???? I like being 6 after the way we played, I really thought we would fall to 8. Glad to see they aren’t buying the Iowa nonsense, but still seem to have a hard on for Ohio State. Good luck next year, I think we will both be knocking on the door again, if not breaking the damn thing down.

by TCUJOHN on Jan 8, 2010 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

glad to see TCU at 6

Hope to see the Frogs right back in the mix next season. It’s been well established that James is a boob.

by hummerofdoom on Jan 8, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Craig James

I hope he wins that congress seat he’s going for and leaves this analyst stuff to people that know what they’re doing

by Nick Kroes on Jan 8, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone send Obama a BSU cap!

Serriously could you immagine what would happen if the guy who said he would take a look at the BCS showed up wearing a BSU cap? Love him – hate him he is the president, and what would happen to Bronco Nation of 1 photo went out with him in ol’ Orange and Blue. What would happen to the slowly glossed over story of BSU being number 4, if the white house got flooded with a sea of orange and blue gifts. True they would probably be donated sent to local charities, But I wouldn’t mind if someone homless in our national capital went to sleep a little warmer, cause the people of Idaho Sent a stocking cap. Cause Bronco Nation is also a kinder gentler nation, that likes ya even if ya arn’t an Idaho native like me. Number 4 after beating 2 nationaly ranked teams and going 14-0 thank you so much AP…

by Steven Merrill on Jan 8, 2010 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

Coach Pete's Ballot

Petersen’s top five were Alabama, Boise State, Texas, Florida and Ohio State. He put TCU sixth.

Anyone else surprised by his placing of TCU behind THE Ohio State University?

by SactoBronco on Jan 8, 2010 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

ACC commissioner and BCS coordinator John Swofford

Did you catch his intro before handing the championship trophy to Coach Saban last night?

On behalf of the institutions of the eleven conferences that participatie in the Bowl Championship Series . . .

While technically true, its obvious the little 5 conference schools can never play in the NC game.

by SactoBronco on Jan 8, 2010 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

I believe...

…TCU would’ve gotten the nod over Cincinnati had the Texas kicker missed that field goal or if the time had run off the clock. Unfortunately, we won’t know this year.

by Nico2.0 on Jan 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's hope so.

Can you believe our nation voting Cincinnati in the NC game? Hello!!!! Can you say, “defense?”

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 10, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Craig James

I haven’t read all of the posts but James is considering running for the US Senate not congress.

This may explain his confusion.

by scottinspokane on Jan 9, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

Senate is part of Congress

You mean “running for Senate, not the House”?

by hummerofdoom on Jan 9, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

Craig James is a less than dishonorable idiot

It is true that C.J. doesn’t care for B.S.U. or Utah or B.Y.U. (see B.Y.U.‘s win over S.M.U. before the much heralded "death penalty). Once or twice the man was asked if Boise State would hold their own against bigger schools. He said no. What he fails to account for is the better recruit classes that Boise would be able to get as well as the fact that our players don’t seem to look at college athletics as a stepping stone to the NFL. That may change with the higher level recruits.

I, personally would like to see his full ballot to find out who placed above the Broncos. This man has P.R. issues with his entanglement with Mike Leach and Texas Tech, that alone is enough for me to pull his ballot as he is no longer detached from college football.

by divarty on Jan 9, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Coach of the Year

These clowns have made the case that the COACH OF THE YEAR should automatically go to a mid-major team if it’s in the top ten!

Boise State in particular does not have the location and other draws (money) that even TCU enjoys. Without resorting to hyperbole, their success is the NCAAF story of the decade.

I’ve met Ian Johnson, Jared Zabransky, Kyle Willson, D.J. Haper, Vinnie Perretta, etc. I can tell you that these guys are not the horses that Ohio State recruits. Rather, they are smart and very capable ATHLETES! Unike most oversized muscle the legacy schools focus on, They are very articulate and thoughtful. That’s what makes them great AS A TEAM. Their talent on the field is due to superb coaching.

by Fred in Boise on Jan 9, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

I'm very annoyed

we deserved 3 if not 2. Championship game didn’t impress me, and frankly I didn’t even think Florida had a shot of being above BSU (oh, wait, they have Tebow. of course).
Whatever, we’ll just have to kick ass next year, prove them wrong

"Ain't no sense worrying: If you have no control over something, ain't no sense worrying about it -you have no control over it anyway. If you do have control, why worry? So either way, there ain't no sense worrying."

-Mickey Rivers

by GoBravesNY on Jan 9, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Championship game didn’t impress me…

It was a weird game. Thing obviously changed and got super strange once McCoy got knocked out. It was a pretty win, but Alabama shredded Texas’ #1 run defense (both Ingram and Richardson rushed for over 100.) My main point is that not every game (even including a championship game) is going to won with style or flash. Alabama’s built their tradition on defense, possession and a running game that’ll grind opposing teams into dust. We can obviously win “pretty” based on the Florida game (which was a much better played game by both teams) when we put up 500 yards of offense and the passing game was clicking too (our QB was playing with broken ribs in the championship game.) I think national title games would be better if they were played closer to the end of the regular season. I just don’t like the long layoff. Most of the time it isn’t a USC-Texas style epic. I think we’d see more of that without the long layoff.

by Nico2.0 on Jan 10, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

McElroy and Saban..

..were both off their game in the NC game, that’s for sure. But you’re right… you won despite the lack of those appearances.

Question for you: Does an invite to Boise State to the White House as well as Alabama roll well with the tide? Although I’d love to see it (and I still feel it’s mostly not going to happen) and see the BCS’s retarded reaction against it, I would NOT want to see Alabama feel like something was being taken away from them on that important day as well.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 10, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't...

…be thrilled about the idea if they were both invited on the same day, but it wouldn’t bother me if they visited at different times. The opportunity for these young men to visit the White House and meet the president is a once in a lifetime experience (well, hopefully not, but you know what I mean) and I think it’d take away from the experience for both teams if they had to share it.

by Nico2.0 on Jan 10, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Bunch of typos...

…in that post. (I was rather distracted when typing it.) Obviously meant to say it wasn’t a pretty win in that first line…

by Nico2.0 on Jan 10, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

how many yards passing did bama get

of course they put up 200 yards rushing, they got less than 100 in the air. Bama loses to Texas 9 times out of 10. Just they lost McCoy. If not for absolutely moronic before halftime move—I’d say bama loses this game even without mccoy.

Let’s not talk about bama shredding texas—texas was within three points with three minutes to go, and bama fans butts were puckered tighter than a drum before that fumble.

by ssstoney420 on Jan 11, 2010 5:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Stats and scoreboard

…had nothing to do with the “closeness” of that game. Texas certainly made it interesting (as I was about to turn it off), but to say Alabama wasn’t handling Texas (especially their defense) would be a bit misleading.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 11, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

true, I agree with everything you said. But still, there was just something about that game that didn’t convince me that it should’ve been so far between 2 and 3. Plus the game was just a bit underwhelming, just can’t explain it

"Ain't no sense worrying: If you have no control over something, ain't no sense worrying about it -you have no control over it anyway. If you do have control, why worry? So either way, there ain't no sense worrying."

-Mickey Rivers

by GoBravesNY on Jan 11, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well look here

It is a fellow Talking Chop member. Good to see you over here at OBNUG.

by Mountngrown on Jan 11, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

funny you should say that, because the first time I ever attended an open thread here who should greet me other than HEYJUDE. I’ve enjoyed my time here so far and love talking Broncos

"Ain't no sense worrying: If you have no control over something, ain't no sense worrying about it -you have no control over it anyway. If you do have control, why worry? So either way, there ain't no sense worrying."

-Mickey Rivers

by GoBravesNY on Jan 11, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at your schedule

For pete’s sake, look at Boise State’s schedule. Christ, you better be undefeated. You play one game in september and one game in January. Try playing an entire season. Being ranked 4 is very respectable and as much as you could possibly hope for.

Come on; you don’t really think you are better program than the three that finished ahead of you, do you? Get over it. Join a real conference.

by ssstoney420 on Jan 11, 2010 5:14 AM PST reply actions  

Come on; you don’t really think you are better program than the three that finished ahead of you, do you?

I will give the respect due to Alabama. They won the BCS NC game. As for the other two…I absolutely believe we are a better program.

I am so sick of hearing the drivel of homers who have bought into all this “Non AQ schools are, by nature, inferior to the AQ conference programs”.

by Mountngrown on Jan 11, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

My term of the season: Transparency.

If you watched a lot of the SEC games, Big 12 games, Big 10 games…. this whole season was a very transparent one, as well as mediocre. I understand that you’re full of hate and rage for some programs, but you really need to look at everyone objectively. Boise State is a great team in a mediocre cfb season. If you can’t acknowledge that, good luck finding anyone acknowledging you.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Jan 11, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Join a real conference

This is not a valid argument. The implication is that it is Boise State’s choice of which conference they are in ergo they choose to play a weak schedule.

Come on; you don’t really think you are better program than the three that finished ahead of you, do you

This statement is also erroneous to this discussion. Rankings are not based on which program is better but which team is better. Besides, how do you decide what program is better than another program? Revenue? Number of fans? Number of years in I-A? Win/loss percentage?

Even if your statement was pertinent to this discussion, it’s still highly subjective.

The debate is whether Boise State is a better team during the 2009-2010 season than Florida or Texas. Obviously we won’t ever know since college football refuses to let Boise State prove itself. However, we do know that Florida and Texas both got a crack at Alabama and Boise State did not. It is foolish to assume that Boise State would lose to a team they never played (Alabama) but rank them lower than 2 teams that did lose to that team.

by Nick Kroes on Jan 11, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

ask your athletic director to schedule a game with the broncos.

This is national TV. So don't pick your noses or scratch your nuts.

by joe bob priddy on Jan 12, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

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