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Opponent preview: Can Fresno State's offense succeed on third down?

Boise State rolled over Miami (OH) on Saturday, but the Broncos gave out charity third down conversions all game long. Meanwhile, Fresno hung tight with Wisconsin courtesy of a strong showing with its third down offense.

What will happen on third downs on Friday when the Bulldogs and Broncos meet? Which team will have the upper hand? And will this be the deciding factor in the game? Let's discuss.

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No. 10 Boise State at Fresno State

Kickoff: 7:00 p.m. MT, TV: ESPN, Radio: 580 KIDO

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Last week for Fresno State

L to Wisconsin, 34-31 2OT


The Bulldogs lost a tough one to Wisconsin in double overtime last week, but they looked good doing it. QB Ryan Colburn was solid for awhile before succumbing to Brandstaterness and throwing the game away with a 2OT interception.

What did we learn from the game? For starters, Fresno continues to be competitive against BCS teams. Also, the Fresno offense can put points on the board when facing average defenses and secondaries. The Fresno defense, meanwhile, can look good at times, but before you know it, they've given up 34 points.

Bottom line: Wisconsin barely got past I-AA competition a MAC school in Week One, so it's hard to tell how good the Badgers really are. Similarly, it's hard to tell how good the Bulldogs are. A win over UC Davis and a loss to Wisconsin tells us little. The outcome on Friday will tell us a lot.

Fresno State on offense

  • QB Ryan Colburn
  • RB Ryan Mathews
  • WR Chastin West
  • WR Seyi Ajirotutu
  • WR Devon Wylie
  • TE Vince Pascoe
  • LT Bryce Harris
  • LG Devan Cunningham
  • C Joe Bernardi
  • RG Andrew Jackson
  • RT Kenny Wiggins

As you are sure to hear about all week long, the Fresno State offense is as healthy as it has ever been, which apparently spells the end of the world for any team unlucky enough to cross its path. Except Wisconsin. And, actually, only UC Davis so far. But it's September! The leaves are just turning! A Madea movie is the No. 1 movie in the country! This type of thing is to be expected.

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Seriously, though, there are a lot of good players on Fresno's offense - enough to make any defensive coordinator not blow off coordinating duties. From WRs Wylie, Moore, and West, to RBs Mathews, Lonyae Miller, and Robbie Rouse, Fresno is stacked at the skill positions. QB Colburn does well with his weapons, and mobile QB Ebahn Feathers provides the token wildcat option. The offensive line lost some beef up front over the summer, but it returns enough experience to manage.

Fresno State on defense

  • DE Chris Carter
  • DT Chase McEntee
  • DT Chris Lewis
  • RE Kenny Borg
  • LB Kyle Knox
  • MLB Ben Jacobs
  • LB Nico Herron
  • CB Desia Dunn
  • CB A.J. Jefferson
  • S Lorne Bell

The best player on the Fresno defense is MLB Jacobs. He's a hustler. The second best player might be DE Carter. He's sort of injured (but expected to play). The Bulldogs were awful at creating turnovers last season, and they'll have to find some playmakers to turn it around in 2009.

Fresno State special teams

We all remember Goessling's implosion versus Wisconsin last year. Or at least I do. It made my Christmas letter.

The sophomore rebounded nicely from his 1-for-4 against the Badgers to put together a solid season and go into 2009 as one of the best kickers in the conference. Jefferson and Wylie are dangerous on the return, meaning Kyle Brotzman and the coverage teams have their work cut out for them this week.

Fresno on third down against Wisconsin

Fresno State was 11-for-18 against Wisconsin on third downs, good enough for a 61 percent conversion rate. Here is a breakdown of what they did:

  • 3rd and 6: Colburn incomplete
  • 3rd and 4: Colburn to Moore, 15 yards
  • 3rd and 4: Colburn to West, 7 yards
  • 3rd and 9: Colburn incomplete
  • 3rd and 5: Colburn to Wylie, 14 yards
  • 3rd and 2: Feathers rush, 3 yards
  • 3rd and 7: Colburn to Ajirotutu, 14 yards, TOUCHDOWN
  • 3rd and 9: Colburn to Wylie, 21 yards
  • 3rd and 12: Colburn incomplete
  • 3rd and 3: Colburn INTERCEPTED
  • 3rd and 6: Colburn to Ajirotutu, 12 yards
  • 3rd and 3: Colburn rush, 4 yards
  • 3rd and 8: Colburn to Ajirotutu, 25 yards
  • 3rd and 8: Colburn to Mathews, 9 yards
  • 3rd and 4: Colburn incomplete
  • 3rd and 19: Colburn rush, 2 yards
  • 3rd and 10: Colburn incomplete
  • 3rd and 10: Colburn to Moore, 15 yards

The Bulldogs averaged third and seven for the game and threw the ball 16 times out of their 18 tries. The only two rushes came from quarterbacks Feathers and Colburn. No running backs touched the ball on Fresno's five shortest third downs, which went pass, pass, QB rush, interception, pass.

Up until the fourth quarter, Fresno managed to get into relatively workable third down situations. Before their 3rd and 19 midway through the fourth, the Bulldogs' worst third down was a third and 12 that they failed to convert (Fresno went 1-for-4 on third downs of 10 or more yards). Early in the game, FSU was able to earn positive plays on first and second downs to make third downs much more manageable.

Boise State on third down this season

vs. Oregon: 1-for-10, converting 10 percent

vs. Miami (OH): 7-for-15, converting 46 percent

The Oregon game was simply an incredible effort by the defense, which was at the top of its game all night long. The Miami (OH) game? Eh, not so much.

Granted, Boise State did manage to pitch the shutout over the RedHawks, but as the conversion percentages show, Miami probably took a moral victory away from scoring first downs nearly half of the time on third down.

The interesting part when you look at the stats is that Miami was able to convert third downs pretty much regardless of distance. Several times on 3rd and 10 or 3rd and 12, RedHawk QB Daniel Raudabaugh found an open man who would just inch past the first down sticks (this man was often WR Armand Robinson, that scourge). Those spaces simply weren't there against Oregon. Right, Jeremiah Masoli?

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Spotlight on: Fresno State QB Ryan Colburn

The offseason saw a fierce battle for Fresno's starting quarterback job between true freshman Derek Carr, Kaepernick-esque Ebahn Feathers, and junior Ryan Colburn. In the end, Colburn won the job (kind of?), thanks to his ability to complete shirtless passes.

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A highly-sought-after recruit (aren't they all at Fresno?), the QB was listed as one of California's top 100 prospects coming out of high school in 2006 and even attended Boise State's camp. His Fresno career has seen him redshirt, earn spot duty as a freshman, and ride the pine as a sophomore, backing up senior "Touchdown" Tom Brandstater.

What did Colburn learn under the tutelage of Brandstater? You mean besides how to live down to expectations? No doubt Colburn picked up a veteran's handle of the team, although offensive coordinator changes render his veteran command of the offense moot. He throws a pretty deep ball, runs the offense well, and can be one of the WAC's best when he gets on a hot streak.

Fresno coaches seem to have complete faith in him on third downs, too, judging by the insane number of times they put the ball in his hands with a first down on the line. Have they never heard of a draw play? I guess not.

How Fresno State manages third down

Distance

Like most teams, Fresno hopes to gain enough yards on first and second downs to make third down manageable. The Bulldogs' style seems to be more of a pounding, grinding team on first and second downs and an air-it-out group on third. Provided the running game is not held in check, the third down offense can usually be successful.

Playcalling

As noted in the Wisconsin game, the Bulldogs chose not to run at all on third down. What would possess an offensive coordinator to do that? Ryan Mathews was running the ball well, averaging over five yards per carry, and he could hardly sniff a touch on third down. Perhaps the playcalling is a result of a lack of faith in the offensive line (which replaced its tackles this season) and heaping amounts of faith in Ryan Colburn.

Personnel

The key players on Fresno's third downs are their wide receivers. With the quadruped of Ajirotutu, Wylie, Moore, and West, the Bulldogs have a ton of weapons to attack with on third down, and many different matchups to exploit. If you consider that most teams only carry three quality cornerbacks, then Fresno would have a big advantage with one of their wideouts on a linebacker or a safety.

How Boise State manages third down

Distance

How far teams have to go on third down doesn't seem to make much difference in the Broncos' conversion stats. Obviously, they would want offenses to face third and long, but practically, BSU has shown an ability to shut down teams no matter the distance.

Playcalling

It's really anyone's guess what Justin Wilcox will do with the defense. I expected him to bring pressure with only the front four against Miami (OH), and he blitzed constantly instead. One thing that I did notice was that Wilcox was much more likely to use the new 3-3-5 in obvious passing downs, as it puts a premium on quarterback pressure. Expect the Broncos to use this formation early and often against Fresno.

The Broncos have shown little straight-up man-to-man this season, so it will be interesting to see if this changes.

Keys to third down

Cover the man, not the grass

As ESPN's Chris Spielman is likely to outside-voice yell into his microphone at any given time on a Saturday, "Cover the man, not the grass." This is a tenet of zone coverage where defenders are taught to pick up the players trailing through their zone, rather than standing around waiting for a receiver to drop by.

I wouldn't say that the Broncos were guilty of covering grass on Saturday against Miami (OH), but they did leave RedHawk receivers with a lot of extra space on their short receiving routes - enough space that the receivers could catch the ball and turn upfield for the first down.

My take is that Boise State purposefully played a lot more soft zone than normal against Miami (OH), since the Broncos weren't too concerned about shutting down that low-powered RedHawk offense. Against Oregon, the coverage was suffocating. I would think that Boise State would return to Oregon-like intensity against Fresno.

Consecutive third downs

Miami (OH) may have converted nearly half of its third down opportunities, but it rarely converted third downs consecutively. Boise State was able to hold the RedHawks in check because Miami rarely went on long drives. If the field position is right and if the Broncos don't allow big plays on first or second downs, then opposing teams' converting a third down each drive won't kill them. But it might give me an ulcer.

Colburn's accuracy

The Broncos can have the best coverage in the world, but it won't matter if Colburn is on his game. A perfect pass can beat tight coverage any day, and it can make a big difference in the all-important yards after the catch statistic that plays a big part in third down conversions.

Tackling

Can Fresno receivers make Bronco defenders miss? Will Boise State corners, safeties, and linebackers keep the Bulldogs from gaining extra yards?

The Fresno running game

The wild card in this discussion might just be the Fresno ground game. Since it had little to do with third down conversions against Wisconsin, the Fresno coaches might surprise the Broncos with some timely runs on third down. Any of you have faith in Pat Hill to figure that out?

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Other factors for Friday night

Third downs are just one of many factors that could determine the outcome of the game. What are some that you'll be watching? Which ones stand out the most? Here are a couple that crossed my mind:

  • How will Boise State play on the road? The Broncos typically have more margin for error at home.
  • Will the Boise State running game revert to "2007 vs. Fresno"? Or will the ground game be an afterthought to Kellen Moore's passing?
  • When will Kyle Wilson break a punt return? How will Kyle Brotzman handle pressure kicks from the left hash?
  • Will the center-QB exchanges be fixed? Can Fresno find enough turnovers to keep the game close?

Conclusion

Boise State fans should be happy that the Broncos are facing a Fresno team that still resembles a quality opponent. Typically, the Broncos get Fresno when they're injured, beat up, and much worse than expected. Not this season.

As such, we could actually be in for a game on Friday. Anyone think this game will be close?

Third downs will be a huge factor in deciding who wins and who loses on Friday night. If the Boise State defense versus Oregon shows up, it could be a long night for the Bulldogs. If the Boise State defense versus Miami (OH) shows up, it could still be a long night, but it might also be a more interesting night.

I believe that Boise State will shore up its third down defense for Fresno and return to the stifling unit we saw against the Ducks. I believe this because I believe anything is possible with the Boise State defense. Full disclosure: I am gullible.

What do you think? Share your thoughts about third downs, defense, and other factors in the comments.

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I had a similar thought...
My take is that Boise State purposefully played a lot more soft zone than normal against Miami (OH), since the Broncos weren’t too concerned about shutting down that low-powered RedHawk offense. Against Oregon, the coverage was suffocating. I would think that Boise State would return to Oregon-like intensity against Fresno.

Have you ever seen a cat play with a bug before it kills it. I had the feeling that this new defensive scheme had less to do with Miami (OH) and more to do with Fresno State. Try out the new stuff when there isn’t as much on the line, work out the bugs and then put it into action. The Miami game was more like a scrimmage or practice enabling them to try something new… that’s kinda sad in a way…not. I can’t wait to see what they have in store for the UC Davis game!

Ridonkulous!

by OBNUG Intern on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You're right

For as much as coaches talk about not looking ahead, you have to wonder if they weren’t breaking in some new tricks against MU. Not so easy to treat everyone equally now is it, Bronco coaching staff?

"I eat success for breakfast - with skim milk!" - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Sep 15, 2009 6:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am not sure...

I don’t see it as the coaches looking to give a new scheme a test run. I think they had the scheme in place and didn’t plan to show it but then Miami OH started getting yards in chunks by throwing crossing routes over the middle.

The 3-3-5 confused the QB a little and did not allow him to predetermine where he was throwing the ball before the snap. Once the QB had to make some reads post-snap, Miami’s pass efficiency dropped drastically. (Tipped passes didn’t hurt either)

I just don’t see Petersen taking any opponent lightly and plan ahead of time to use a game as a scrimmage like setting. He is one of the few coaches that I actually believe when he says “the next game is the biggest game.” I think this is a big reason Broncos have not had a “letdown” game against a lesser opponent.

"...east and west is the problem, north and south the solution."

by MKingery on Sep 16, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Outside of bowl games?

by Egnowit on Sep 16, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

GET NICE on D

With our defense shutting anything and everything down this season i can’t imagine fresno scoring enough points to beat us. i’m very interested though how our run defense performs against another good back. if i was matthews i’d just be worrying about how i could average 1 ypc against the broncos and avoid pat hills prolific spit talk on the sidelines.

by KsigBronco on Sep 15, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

What's your over/under on Mathews' ypc?

3? Less?

"I eat success for breakfast - with skim milk!" - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Sep 15, 2009 6:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, let see...

LaGarrette Blount’s YPC was 7.3 prior to the Boise State game and if I recall correctly, fared slightly worse than that. Matthews has two 100 yard games under his belt this year and is averaging 7.1 YPC. His lifetime average looks to be around 5.5

If I were a betting man, (and I’m not) I would say that Matthews will rush for less than 70 yards on the day and probably tote the rock in the neighborhood of 15 times. That generous estimate would give him about 4.6 YPC, but it’s hard to imagine the Broncos D even giving up that much. I do feel like he is going to bust one longer run (15-20 yards) that will swell his average.

by Drew Roberts on Sep 15, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

new poll?>?

i’m going to say 2.4

i think picking ypc this year might be more interesting, anything from 40-60 to nothing sounded good last week. err season.

by KsigBronco on Sep 15, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call < 3.

The number of carries will be limited by Fresno trying to air the ball out in the 2nd half (yes, read in between the lines there) and the number of 3-and-outs.

"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale

by Loque on Sep 15, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give him 3

Blount suffered because he was running from the shotgun against a defense that can get good penetration. Merriweather suffered because he was running behind Miami (OH)‘s offensive line. Fresno’s style of play should prevent Mathews from going Blount, and Fresno’s not being Miami (OH) should prevent a Merriweather redux. Mathews might get three yards per carry (and I’m with Drew on one of those carries possibly being a big gainer), but I think he’ll need more for Fresno to be successful.

"I eat success for breakfast - with skim milk!" - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Sep 16, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have you noticed how the

…TV camera people have picked up on ESPN’s niche of going to the sidelines and scanning the coaches of the team losing or with less momentum. How they pick out the coordinators chewing out players. Also the band members are prolly the most funnest with their static emotions of o.O.

by Jamaray on Sep 15, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...we tackle better than Wisky

I have to go with the Intern’s theory.

Teams aren’t allowed to look ahead, but the coaching staff certainly is and should when they get a lesser team at home before a big road game.

"I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass."

by Belexes on Sep 15, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally, the Fresno review!

I’ve been waiting for this all week. I’ve been thinking about this game in those open-mind moments when I should be thinking about engineering physics (But that works, too! “A kicker is capable of booting a football at an angle of 37° with an initial velocity of 20 m/s…”)

With limited material available, most of my predictions about this game came from the Wisconsin performance. I was pleased to see Fresno doing so well, but I knew Wisconsin would come back. If they ever wanted to get going, all Wisky had to do was throw a short pass to the flat. I seem to recall Boise being exceptionally well at this.

The other thing I noticed was the poor coaching decisions. Near every time Fresno seemed to stall on good progress was when the coaching staff decided to get — let’s call it — “cute.” If Fresno played their game, instead of putting up balls in the air to throw Wisconsin off their game, I would wager they would have had 2-3 more scores in regulation, negating an overtime performance (or non-performance, as it were).

The one thing I noticed mostly by this immaculate review (bang-up job, kevan. I almost expect another Tom Scott reference to you in the morning) is regarding the Fresno vs. Wisconsin in 3rd down situations. Regardless of outcome, just the sheer number in 3rd downs Fresno had amazes me. They had nearly 20 3rd down occurrences. It goes to say that the number of opportunities you have, the more chance you will fail at converting them.

I’ve very eager to post my score prediction. I almost have this game down to a score-by-score prediction. Can’t wait for Friday night.

"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale

by Loque on Sep 15, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

a proverbial rec from Tom Scott
poor coaching decisions

Ah, the hallmark of Fresno State football. What are Pat Hill’s redeeming qualities again? Recruiting, spitting, fundraising, blackmailing the Carr family? I am fairly confident that Hill will get outcoached by Coach Pete on Friday. In a close game, you have to like Boise State’s chances from a coaching perspective.

(Re-reading my comment, I find it completely homerish, but I can’t see anything I would take out. Self-editing, meet truth.)

"I eat success for breakfast - with skim milk!" - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Sep 16, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Previews and other things of that nature

The Bulldog Bounce is in the midst of a game week rundown of its own if you’re interested in a non-Idahoed perspective. http://bulldogbounce.blogspot.com/

For the record, I’ll weigh in as saying if Mathews averages less than three yards a carry the ‘Dogs won’t win. Fresno State always seems to struggle in the run game against the Broncos (a testament to their defense and personnel matchups) and Boise State always seems to clean up their mistakes (fumbled snaps, picks) by the time the Fresno State game rolls around.

Here’s prediction: the team with the best third-down conversion rate wins.

Check out the latest Fresno State chatter on the Bulldog Bounce blog at http://www.BulldogBounce.blogspot.com.

by FSDogs1 on Sep 15, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Can we get some blogger Q&A or a blog bet going?
if Mathews averages less than three yards a carry the ‘Dogs won’t win.

the team with the best third-down conversion rate wins.

What if Mathews averages less than three yards and Fresno has the better 3rd down conversion rate? Or can I assume that if Mathews averages less than three yards, it will be impossible for Fresno to be the better team on 3rd down?

Good analysis on Fresno in the run game versus Boise State. I’ll be very interested to see if FSU can get anything going against the Bronco run defense. From what I’ve seen of the Broncos, I would doubt it, but from what I’ve seen of the Bulldogs, this year might be their best chance in awhile.

"I eat success for breakfast - with skim milk!" - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Sep 16, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Job, Again--

The only thing I was wondering… Did anyone else think that You tube highlight video of fresno last week seem a little bit long, considering its been less than a week and they Lost? Was this producer that happy about the game? I mean I love seeing 7 yard passes twice with the second time in slow motion for good measure as much as anyone… but wow- did anyone finish that whole video?

by BustersBFF on Sep 15, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Breakdown

Great breakdown as usual, but I saw you allude to Wisconsin playing a 1-AA school in week one. Actually, Northern Illinois is a MAC school, and puts out some pretty good talent (see Michael Turner).

by Bucho on Sep 16, 2009 4:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, fixed

I was going to fact check that, but then I didn’t. Story of my GPA as a journalism major.

"I eat success for breakfast - with skim milk!" - Tony Perkis

by Kevan Lee on Sep 16, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Points.

That was the difference between to soft zone in the Miami game and the tight coverage in the Oregon game.

Against Oregon points were at a premium, and the Broncos made them hard to come by (on both sides of the ball).

Against Miami, though it was a slower start than anticipated, once up by 25-30 points, the opposing team converting a 3rd down is less important. Letting them score 5 times is the issue.

With Fresno its tough to say. But one thing is for sure, points have almost never been hard to come by (the lone exception in 2005). Boise State’s only loss to the Bulldogs was in 2005, they only scored 7. Outside of that year the Broncos lowest points scored was in 2003 – 31 points.

Outside of the 7-27 loss in ’05, in seven games the Broncos have out scored the Bulldogs 306-136. With an average margin of victory of 24 points.

In eight games since 2001, five of them have been fairly competitive, including Fresno’s 20 point win. The other three were blowouts.

I’m expecting to see some dominating Bronco defense, and another blowout win over the Bulldogs.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)

by Mikrino on Sep 16, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Broncos vs Bulldogs

My take on the Bronco D is thus:

  • to a degree, players put it in cruise control (Iloka admitted as much during his post-game interview) -
  • Wilcox didn’t want to show the Bulldog O-Coordinator all the looks he plans to use against FSU on Friday -
  • against the Ducks, the D played as a “no bend, no break, no nothing” unit – against the Redhawks, the D played as a “bend a little, no break, defend well enough to keep them out of the end zone” unit -
  • this Friday, the Bronco D will ramp it up to the Duck game level, and play as a " I’ll bend your candy-ass self every which way but loose, and then proceed to break your body and spirit" unit – i.e., with a real nasty attitude and focus -

by typhoonblue on Sep 16, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions  

D on the field more than average.

Maybe they wanted to prevent harm from the 1st string and reduce the opportunity for offensive turnovers by the 2nd team once they knew the game was over.

"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale

by Loque on Sep 16, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Hard to read much into last saturday’s game. Pretty clear Broncos were in driver’s seat.

by tmunson on Sep 16, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Look ahead to the next week.

Coaches do it all the time. If you’re playing a shit team like Miami (OH) and you have a big game against Fresno the next week the coaches are going to take an early look at film on Fresno. However, I highly doubt they have the players watch Fresno film or even mention it in front of, or around them. They keep the players focused on the up-coming opponent as Coach Pete implies w/ his “every week is our biggest game” theme.

by Drofdarb23 on Sep 16, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

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