BSU position preview: How much does size matter on the offensive and defensive lines?
"Bigger isn't better. Better is better."
The man who uttered those infamous words obviously didn't believe them. He left for bigger and sacrificed better. Three years later, Boise State finds itself singing the same tune but with slightly different characters. Does bigger mean better along the offensive and defensive lines? Will extra pounds make that much difference? And at what cost?
These are some of the biggest questions facing the Bronco linemen this fall. Let's talk it out.
(You've stumbled upon a series of Boise State position previews leading up to the Oregon game. Previously: The incredible, shrinking big play. Next up: How the 4-2-5 has changed the BSU linebacker.)
Bronco offensive line depth chart
| Name | Yr | Pos | Ht | Wt |
| Michael Ames | Fr | T | 6'4" | 281 |
| Kevin Sapien | Jr. | G | 6'4" |
286 |
| Thomas Byrd | So. | C | 5'11" | 284 |
| Will Lawrence | Jr | G | 6'2" | 255 |
| Matt Slater | Jr | T | 6'4" | 290 |
| Nate Potter | So | T | 6'6" | 293 |
| Garrett Pendergast | So | G/C | 6'4" | 271 |
| Brenel Myers | Fr | G | 6'2" |
267 |
| Faraji Wright | Fr | T | 6'3" | 284 |
Remember a time when Boise State linemen were little tiny guys? The new breed of Bronco O-line is big ... and getting bigger.
In addition to an offseason regimen of carb-loading and Idaho Pizza Company buffet to bulk up some skinny returners, the Broncos are starting to recruit bigger man mountains from the get-go. Recent recruits include 6'2", 305-pound Joe Kellogg and 6'3", 290-pound Spencer Gerke. They are bigger coming in, and once Bronco coaches are done with them, they are bigger going out.
As far as a starting rotation is concerned, size is obviously not priority No. 1. In the above depth chart, the top five players are the ones who have routinely been getting first-team snaps. If that depth chart holds true, then the Broncos will have four out of five starters weighing over 280 pounds. The lone lightweight: OL-turned-DL-turned-OL Will Lawrence at a lean 255.
Bronco defensive line depth chart
| Name | Yr | Pos | Ht | Wt |
| Ryan Winterswyk | Jr | DE | 6'4" | 263 |
| Chase Baker | So | DT | 6'1" | 296 |
| Billy Winn | So | DT | 6'4" | 288 |
| Jarrell Root | So | DE | 6'3" | 259 |
| Byron Hout | So | DE | 6'0" | 241 |
| Shea McClellin | So | DE | 6'3" | 262 |
| J.P. Nisby | So | DT | 6'1" | 305 |
| Chuck Hayes | So | DT | 6'2" | 290 |
| Justin Jungblut | Fr | DE | 6'4" | 241 |
Boise State's defensive line rotation has seen its fair share of girth recently, too. Both defensive tackles are only a few Carl's Jr. Six-Dollar burgers away from 300. Backups J.P. Nisby and the currently suspended/injured Michael Atkinson (6'0", 332) tip the scales at over 300. Defensive tackle is meaty, large, and quite good.
Defensive end is a more traditionally light position for most teams, and the same is true of the Broncos. Winterswyk is the biggest DE at 6'4", 263 pounds, but McClellin is right behind him. Byron Hout, a converted HS linebacker, comes in the lightest at 241.
Size as a kneejerk reaction to the Poinsettia Bowl
Boise State made a big push in the offseason toward getting the offensive linemen bigger.
"Some guys had to play last season that maybe weren't quite physically ready," offensive line coach Scott Huff said. "Now, we're closer. You look at a guy's body type and aim for maybe 290 in six months with the potential to be 305. We don't have any seniors, so you're going to see these guys getting bigger and bigger."
The most obvious game when the Broncos weren't physically ready? The Poinsettia Bowl against TCU.
The Horned Frogs imposed the pace of the game all evening long against the Broncos. The final rushing numbers: TCU: 275, Boise State: 28. It was a dominating performance by TCU's offensive line and a stellar job of taking away the run by the Horned Frog defense.
After the game, it was obvious to many that there was a big difference between the power of TCU and the finesse of Boise State. Which begs the question: Did Boise State turn the corner from power team to finesse team last year? Or are we all overreacting to one bad game against a great TCU team?
To be sure, Boise State has not been finesse during its decade of dominance since the turn of the century. No matter what public perception may be, the Broncos won games by controlling the line of scrimmage, shutting down opposing running backs, and using the run to set up the pass. None of those three things happened in the Poinsettia Bowl.
Of course, there were reasons for this. Boise State's defensive line depth was the worst it had been all season long. The offense was run-of-the-mill in the running game all of last year, and the team was better suited with Kellen Moore throwing more often than Ian Johnson running. There were signs that Boise State's loss in the P-Bowl was an aberration to how things had been for the Broncos all season long and to how they would go in future years.
But if all that is true, then why the emphasis on O-line size?
Size as it relates to winning the WAC
Question #1: Does Boise State need to be bigger along its offensive and defensive lines to win the WAC?
There is a mountain of evidence that says no. Here are three of the most obvious reasons:
- Boise State has won six of the last seven WAC championships.
- The overall talent gap between the Broncos and many other WAC teams is incredible.
- Boise State can win WAC games without controlling the line of scrimmage.
For all intents and purposes, Boise State has done just fine with its smaller, more athletic lines for the past seven years. Is there any reason to do it any differently?
One reason might be staying ahead of the curve. Other WAC schools are starting to recruit big players, and size has slowly started to trickle down from the BCS-conference teams and into the smaller schools. Boise State going big could be a result of the changing competition around them.
And, yes, I use the term "competition" loosely.
Size as it relates to fielding a BCS-quality team
Question #2: Does Boise State need to be bigger along its offensive and defensive lines to win another BCS game?
There is a mountain of evidence that says yes. Here are three of the most obvious reasons:
- The Poinsettia Bowl and the Oregon game.
- The size throughout the depth chart for BCS teams is huge compared to Boise State.
- Teams generally stand less of a chance to win when they are unable to control the line of scrimmage, manage time of possession, and effectively run the ball when needed.
The obvious answer to the size question, as it relates to BCS competitiveness, is that the Broncos have to get bigger. Against TCU and Oregon, Boise State struggled mightily up front, especially in the running game, and the size component was noticeable.
Of course, there is another side to the debate also. Didn't Boise State win the Oregon game? And didn't the Broncos beat a traditional powerhouse in Oklahoma two years earlier? Beating BCS teams can be done no matter the size of the line. Those wins won't be blowouts, and they won't be dominating, but they'll still be wins.
How other teams deal with size
Nationally
As mentioned above, BCS schools will be almost across-the-board bigger than the Broncos. For example, Florida has 19 players who weigh 300 pounds or more. Boise State has three.
But here's where it gets interesting. Boise State's first opponent, Oregon, only has four players who reach or exceed 300 pounds. Is this an issue for the Ducks? Will Boise State struggle to win the size battle when the teams meet on September 3?
In-conference
The Nevada Wolf Pack have seven players 300 pounds and up, but their two stud defensive ends, Dontay Moch and Kevin Basped, come in at 245 and 240 pounds, respectively. They are Byron Hout size, and Ryan Winterswyk has 20 pounds on them.
Another interesting case study is the Idaho Vandals. Preseason all-WAC OL Mike Iupati represents a new breed of Vandal lineman: Large. Iupati is 6'6", 330 pounds, and he is not even the biggest guy on the team. He is not even the second biggest. Idaho has five players who weigh 310 pounds or more. And we all know how that's working out for them.
Locally
Recruiting big kids locally is a challenge for the Broncos. Spencer Gerke, listed above, came from Bishop Kelly at 290 pounds, but Gerke would be the exception, not the rule. Even among Boise State's out-of-state recruiting, size has yet to show up. On Scout.com's list of Boise State recruiting prospects, only four kids tipped the scales at over 300 pounds. Of course, relative to the size that they used to come in, these recruits are bigger than usual. Really, the Broncos had nowhere to go but bigger.
Benefits and weaknesses of size
Now we arrive at perhaps the most important part of the discussion: Where is the value in size?
Size can:
- Intimidate
- Cover for certain mistakes in assignment and technique
- Hold the line of scrimmage easier
But size can also
- Cost you athleticism
The athleticism/size quandary is a good one. Can you have it both ways? Bronco coaches are certainly hoping so. Every time offensive line coach Scott Huff talks about size, he makes sure to remind people that Boise State aims to increase size without decreasing athleticism.
A non-athletic, giant offensive lineman limits the playbook, making the hurry-up offense more difficult, rendering certain blocking assignments impossible, and causing issues for games against teams with quicker defenders.
If you could only have size or athleticism, which one would you want?
Conclusions
I am a big believer that the most important part to offensive and defensive line play is technique. If you understand leverage and hand placement, you can cover for a lot of different shortcomings, including smaller size and less athleticism.
The issue that the Broncos recognize is that technique is well-coached all across college football. The difference-maker might have changed to size and athleticism.
How do you feel about the Broncos getting bigger? My first reaction was one of deep concern probably because I pictured a bunch of doughy lineman huffing and puffing in the second quarter of the UC Davis game and longingly looking toward the NEZ and my Dip 'n Dots. But Bronco coaches know better than to plump up players simply for the sake of plumping them up.
What do you think motivated the Broncos' change on the offensive line toward bigger people? Does the defensive line need a similar program? How would you measure size on college football rosters? Is 300 pounds too much? Too little?
And most importantly, how much does size really matter - for the WAC and for the BCS?
Let me hear what you think.
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To be or not to be,
Obviously size is key if the Broncos intend to compete regularly against BCS teams. My hope is that they do intend that. But I do think the approach of adding size through strength and conditioning is the way to do it. Athleticism should be the key. Can the guy move.
There’s nothing more intimidating than a 6’6" 300 lb. Linemen who can also RUN YOU DOWN.
Scary.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
Which 6'6" 300 pound linemen...
…do the Broncos have that can do that? Nate Potter someday?
"Never let anyone sign your checks!" - Harvey Bushkin
none.
At least not now. But I think that should be the goal in the gym and in recruiting for those positions. I agree DE’s should be a little lighter and more agile than an interior lineman, the same goes for tackles on the offensive side.
But what do I know…?
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
Have the cake....and it, too!
I don’t see why you can’t have both. Pete and Harsin figured out a way to win a bowl game with JZ at the helm so this should be well within their capabilities. The true question is if BSU has the recruiting clout to score both size AND athleticism in one package. At this point, Ryan Clady was a lucky fluke that paid off. Now they want to have five of him on the O-Line.
by cexeko on Aug 25, 2009 9:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think the Broncos still recruit athleticism as a priority. They have just been able to get in the living rooms are larger athletes. The staff also has a knack for discovering a skinny frame that has potential to put on weight and maintain their athleticism.
"...he could have run for 500 yards if only the end zone hadn't kept getting in the way"
by MKingery on Aug 25, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
Remember Michael Ames came back off of his mission a pretty dang skinny kid (for a lineman at least) and has since put on a ton of weight and it appears to be paying off
Amen.
Because Boise State coaches don’t get first priority in recruits, they look for potential and desire. That’s why they’re so successful and making small athletes bigger .. and better.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
What do you think they look at to determine frame? Is it in the hips?
Good point, MKingery. Success has opened up the recruiting doors to an entirely different class of player for the Broncos. Is that a good or a bad thing? You’d think it would be undeniably good, but I know there are several people who would prefer the blue-collar, Rudy-type Bronco. Me? I think we still have enough of those, as evidenced by the walk-ons making an impact on the starting depth chart in ’09.
"Never let anyone sign your checks!" - Harvey Bushkin
Agreed
As usual Mikrino we agree, when it comes to the WAC I think we could compete year in and year out with 6 foot 250 lb linemen regardless of how big they are simply because we are so much more talented at the “skill” positions… and because quite simply Kellen Moore is awesome.
But if we really want to be competetive with the BCS powerhouses (and that is the goal right?) then we’re going to have to get bigger while keeping the athleticism (or at least as much as we can at that size)
The one position on the line I think that athleticism matters almost more than size is DE, you want your DEs explosive and quick so that they can get around that 300 pound tackle and chase down a Masoli or a Kapernick. I think size is more important at DT so as to plug up that line
by J-Stat on Aug 25, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
if we really want to be competetive with the BCS powerhouses (and that is the goal right?)
Is that the goal? I think it would be fair to read into the size issue that the Broncos are working toward competing at a higher level. They would never come out and say it because that would be too Fresno-ish.
"Never let anyone sign your checks!" - Harvey Bushkin
Hopefully it’s all prep for a move to a BCS conference. I think Coach Pete and Gene Bley+ need to see eye to eye on this. Whether it be with the MWC getting the 7th AQ spot or moving to the Big12/Pac10, we’re on a much higher recruiting/playing level than the rest of the WAC.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Aug 25, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
I’m actually ok if we stay in the WAC, just continue scheduling more and more BCS teams and less and less FCS teams, while a move to make another AQ conference in the Mtn. West does sound appealing I don’t think it is something we absolutely have to do. We can compete with BCS powerhouses without becoming one ourself
I'm disagreeing.
College football’s bottom line? The Ka-Ching! The $$$. The show me the money!
The WAC won’t give us that year in and year out. The PAC-10 will. It’s debatable for the MWC (suuuucky TV contract).
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
But...
You have to think realistically, BSU is not a research school and doesn’t have nearly the student enrollment to become a full-time member of the PAC-10, and don’t forget about all the other sports programs that wouldn’t be able to compete at all at that level, there are a lot of other factors than just football
Disagreeing more.
Yes, we should have other sports, but I think this argument is used waaaay too much, and incorrectly, too. Football carries some programs anywhere and everywhere. Besides, doesn’t our PAC-10 wrestling count?
I think Boise has the potential to be there in 3-5 years — academically and athletically.
But, mostly, you are right. I want it now, it will take some time, I just hope it’s soon enough. I’m hoping that Boise opens a branch out here in Eastern Idaho (University Place, Idaho Falls, to be exact). Both Idaho State and UofI have graduate programs here that bud up right with the DoE and INL. Boise State has a few offices in the new CAES building, but they’re always empty. Typically being used for short research studies.
…Did I go off topic?
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
It's A Balancing Act
While some linemen get bigger, others get smaller. Take Tom Swanson, for example. The kid came into the Bronco program at a scary 6-6, 300 lbs. After emerging from a redshirt year of conditioning, he is a mere 273. Where’s the rest of him?
As pointed out already, I suppose it’s a matter of each player weighing the maximum amount they can carry and still be as mobile as possible. Once they get down, or up, to that ideal weight, then they can add weight as their strength increases. So, yes, the focus is on athleticism, more than size… as long as they are huge athletes.
I think Clady weighed less as a senior than he did as a recruit, didn’t he? But, he was the ideal weight for his strength.
Kevanlee...
our roster hasn’t been updated in a century. Our oline will be more like this: Thran (310 vs listed 295), York (295 vs. listed 285), Holmes (295 vs listed 285), Asper (325), and Kaiser (290). Our key reserves are Cody (305 vs. listed 270) and Weems (310). Now these are just the weights that I’ve picked up from forums and such. If the scuttlebutt is correct we are averaging around 305 on the line with the two key reserves. Conversely your top 7 will be playing around 281. I am getting this from various player videos and those who interview the players. For instance, Nick Cody, whom we are very excited about, hasn’t weighed his listed 270 since high school, as a junior, per his own admission.
Our incoming freshman are listed at Benyard (318), Armstrong (296), Fox (295) and Burrell (276). I really don’t expect these guys to have to drop weight because they don’t have the proverbial (OBNUG’s favorite word) bellies. Benyard is believed to be closer to 330 and has a 6’7" frame.
Offensive line is a staple at Oregon for what it’s worth. In this category, we are a good gauge.
Actually
proverbial (OBNUG’s favorite word)
Tom Scott’s favorite word. My favorite word of his to repeat. Proverbial, try it, once you start you can’t stop.
Proverbial
I cannot confirm nor deny the possibility that I am Kellen Moore.
by OBNUG Intern on Aug 25, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed...
Indeed you are right. Indeed.
I cannot confirm nor deny the possibility that I am Kellen Moore.
by OBNUG Intern on Aug 25, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions

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