If Not Masoli, Who Then?
by JLF on Jul 11, 2009 10:20 AM PDT
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PrintDo you remember last year? We had the Duckies in the soup until Oregon brought in freshman Darron Thomas. Quick liike a bunny, this kid snapped three TDs like he and his reciever were the only people on the field. I predict that Thomas will save the game for Oregon, if it is saved at all, and Masoli will be standing on the bench (so he can see) watching the game from the sidelines.
There is one very simple reason. Thomas is taller and can see a play developing or disolving as it happens. Masoli, who is seriously altitude deficient, has to scramble around more so he can get a view of what is happening. Considering Oregon likes to run the spread offense, that makes Masoli more vulnerable to a very quick D - think Ryan Winterswyk. Also, Thomas looks to be a better pressure QB. He can improvise when the play turns to crap. He doesn't have a rifle shot arm but he stands and delivers like a pro. If his man is open he makes the play. He doesn't have to think about it too long. His quickness means he can get out of a jamb and still make the play. He can run with the best of them too. One problem, though, is that at 6'4" and 185 pounds, the tall skinny kid likley can't take a licking and keep on ticking as well as someone else with more muscle and bulk might. Something else that could bite Thomas is that he has just so-so patience. That could get him into trouble if the D has his recievers bottled up and he can't dump the rock. But with his wheels, my money is the kid will get the yards on his own - for a while anyway. This kid will be playing on Sundays in a few years when Masoli is lookng for a high school coaching job.
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JLF
1) Thomas is a very raw talent that looked the part all spring. Masoli was 15-22 for 212 and 2 tds in a half of football. Thomas probably didn’t complete more than half.
2) Chip Kelly, as the mastermind he is, developed ways to create passing lanes as the season went along, which was part of the reason for Masoli’s budding success. Also, he has been sharing notes with Missouri and Kansas that utilize short quarterbacks in the spread. One of the nice things about the spread is that being tall becomes less of a liability.
3) Thomas will be 3rd on the depth chart behind Nate Costa. He is the most accurate passer to don a Oregon Ducks uniform. Of course, he is rehabbing from an acl in a non-contact drill.
4) Thomas is very raw and looked the part in the spring game while Masoli was 15-22 for 212 yards and 2 touchdowns.
3) We are not more vulnerable to quick defenses. The read option actually neutralizes the bull-rushing defensive end. Masoli made it through last year with flying colors and I expect his frame to be very durable, excluding cheap, late helmet to helmet tackles. This guys has the best frame to execute our offense.
3) Thomas is closer to 210 now.
Please do better research.
"All I am thinking about is that blue turf" - Masoli, on his dark-horse heisman candidacy.
I wish these posts could be edited...
my numbering got messed up and the 2nd #3 was a repeat. However, it doesn’t make your post better!
"All I am thinking about is that blue turf" - Masoli, on his dark-horse heisman candidacy.
How Ya Gonna
know until they are in a real game? You can’t. At best all you have is what they did in the past. Another big issue for the Ducks is the untested O line. As I recall reading somewhere, your two experienced OL guys were not in spring practice and the inexperienced depth guys struggled a lot.
I will be suitably impressed if Masoli makes it through the game. So far, not so much. Its all just talk. He hasn’t shown us anything.
The oline:
Thran (5 starts), York (0 Starts), Holmes (4 starts), Asper (1 start), Kaiser (10 starts). Thran and Kaiser were injured and are now fully healed. Our offensive line coach that was the position coach at our school for 25 years (oline coach of the year last year) has more tools to work with than ever because of some stellar recruiting the last 3 cycles. York, Charmichael, Weems and Cody are all 4* recruits. They will make up the two deep along with Max Forer and Ramsen Golpashin. Ward, a 4/5* TE transfer from Georgia, is the wildcard after transferring to tackle.
Oregon’s best unit year in and year out is the offensive line, so when you hear about a Quaker saying that there are questionmarks, it’s due to expectation.
I will wager you that Masoli is in the game unless it’s a blowout on our end.
What Was That You Say?
Passing lanes? Are you seriously saying that “passing lanes” is Chippies new best idea? Talk to some high school coaches next time before you suggest Chippie has had a world shaking brain storm. And the read option neutralizes… what was that again, bull rushes can be countered by the option? I suppose, if the QB can see what is headed his way. Remember. all it takes is for the QB to NOT see the collision thats going to change him to a soprano to change his mind about the option. I can hear the conversation now: “Coach, can we go back to the Power I?”
Chip Kelly
did not invent passing lanes. Read the post again. Chip went to Kansas that has dealt with short quarterback and added a new dimension to his offense. The spread offense can minimize the effect of having a short quarterback and some schools deal with it quit effectively.
Short QB Syndrome - Ooookeeeedoke
So Kansas fixed it so stubby guys can play too? I didn’t know that. Given we never saw Masoli play much before he started warming the bench a lot, we will just have to see.
Passing Lanes
are also known as interception lanes. Can you say “Hello Mr. Iloka. Will you please let me catch some of the passes so my mom can see me play too?”"
JLF
this kind of banter energizes me… Masoli threw 5 picks last year in 10 starts. He had 1 pick in the last 4 games.
Good!
Come to Boise and pay the $150 each for tickets in EZ. We need more energized Duckies to come drop a bundle in River City.
Come Spend the Bread and Find Out if Its Garbage.
Can you say “Come on Helen. Let’s get out of here before someone sees our Oregon license plates.”
What's
the Bison thing? I understand the Ducks reference.
What's with
…the ignoramus thing? I understand the Randy Newman complex, but jeez, get a new shtick man.
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Seriously....?
Please do better research? Weight and height are commonly inaccurate when posted on the teams roster, so unless he went over to Thomas’ dorm room and weighed him in….we don’t really know what the guy weighs….and neither do you. Honestly, WTFC’s what he weighs? The post was an opinion on who he thought was a better choice for starting QB. You have NO idea (unless you are Chip Kelly…are you??LOL) what the Depth chart is, or is going to be…So STFU and go away.
Oh and FYI
Holymasoli……Darron Thomas is listed at #2 on the GoDucks.com depth chart and weighing in @ 200LBS. Why don’t YOU do some research smart guy.
I never insulted anyone
why must you?
"All I am thinking about is that blue turf" - Masoli, on his dark-horse heisman candidacy.
You insulted me...
By coming onto this forum and telling a fellow Bronco fan to “Please do better research” about YOUR team, that even YOU didn’t fully research. I can’t stand it when a troll comes over and accuses a poster of being inaccurate on such petty BS. The weight of a player? Really? Lame.
Hmmmm????
Lame, huh, when JLF said,
One problem, though, is that at 6’4" and 185 pounds, the tall skinny kid likley can’t take a licking and keep on ticking as well as someone else with more muscle and bulk might.
Seemed like a pretty salient fact to me. A simple google search shows he’s 200 and 6’3" and that would mean he has more bulk and muscle to take a licking, right? Of course, I have more initimate knowledge than the casual fan, so I would not expect him to know he is edging closer to 210 but when practically every database has him 15 pounds heavier than, yes, it should be noted.
Also, the post spring two deep is rife with inaccuracies. Know one actually believes that Rory Cavaille will be the starting WR this fall and Brian Butterfield will be the backup cornerback.
"All I am thinking about is that blue turf" - Masoli, on his dark-horse heisman candidacy.
I can’t stand it when a troll comes over…
Troll? Really? This isn’t troll material at all.
"When Bellotti attempted to shake the hand of Oklahoma State quarterback Zac Robinson after the game, Robinson offered his left hand. His right was swollen and battered from the Ducks' defense."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ban the Prevent D
I’m taking nothing away from the great quarter Darron Thomas played last year, but it didn’t help the Broncos when they went into a prevent defense. That was not a smart move, considering the Bronco D had held the Ducks for three quarters by playing them straight up.
Don't Get Me Wrong
I have great respect for Oregon. I think it will be a very good game. I just have not seen much from Jeremiah Masoli that makes me think he is anything but a mediocre quarterback who will never be known out side his hometown. And anyone who thinks new head coach Chip Kelly will show up to play a high profile opponent like Boise State with all the kinks worked out of his program, is delusional. Oregon will be significantly improved late in the season assuming they can keep everyone healthy, which is the big unknown for every team. But not on day one.
Masoli
Speaking as a bronco fan, and probably for a lot of other bronco fans… I have a LOT of respect for masoli as a quarterback. I think we all know that he will be the best quarterback (atleast in the regular season) that we see all year by leaps and bounds. He reminds me of a Colin Kapernick — well except Masoli can throw better… and also run someone over (See Oklahoma State). I also am not sure why his height is so important (Think Fran Tarkenton, Joe Theissman, Doug Flutie, and most importantly Kellen Moore). None of them tall, all of them able to make things happen. Masoli is a guy who can make things happen, which is what makes him so dangerous. He will be a great test for our D, we will find out what we are made of in the first… oh… probably couple quarters of our season.
by BustersBFF on Jul 11, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
nono, spoken like a guy who knows that there are more important things on a football field than height… JLF have u seen any of boise state’s football players? They arent the kind of kids that get off the bus at road games and scare people. The opposing teams fans are probably wondering why we took Boise High to the game. We, as bronco fans, should realize more than anyone that the intangibles are the most important part of a player. Judging by your comments, you obviously dont do any of our recruiting… which i am very thankful for.
by BustersBFF on Jul 11, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at BSU has done
with a pro-style quarterback that short. One of my favorites of all time is Doug Flutie. Masoli has the “it” factor. He is a 4.0 high school grade point average (smart kid), the strongest arm Bellotti has seen, makes good decision, and throws well under duress.
All It Takes
is for Masoli to perform. So far he hasn’t. There have been a ton of guys with good arms who have all the skills you talk about who went no where. Think Ryan Leaf. Think Troy Smith. Talking isn’t doing.
Masoli
hasn’t performed? I guess that is where I am missing something. We went 10-3 last year and lost to @’SC, @Cal and to you guys. Tell me how he hasn’t proven anthing. He was the player of the game in the holiday bowl. You think that because his passing percentage was 57%? The guy is as proven as he can be.
Performance
No. It is because he hasn’t put any serious numbers up. 57% isn’t good enough to make most programs third string. And 1700 yards total? You aren’t serious. 13 TD’s? Decent QB’s do twice that. So what did he do? Nothing.
Here we go again.
57% ranks in the middle of the FBS and you know that him repeating that is not very likely. Conveniently you omit the fact that he ran for 700+ yards and had 10 rushing touchdowns at 5.65 ypc as a quarterback that gets dinged for sacks. Our offense doesn’t require him to be a 70% competion quarterback. We had the 2nd best rushing team in the fbs last year. Over his last 4 games or 40% of the games he played in, which are the more indicative stats, he completed near 64%. Let’s also remember that he did that against stanford, arizona, oregon state and oklahoma state and not sjsu, nmsu, or any other crap team that you faced.
You Left One Team Out...
and that was U of Oregon. Nevada gave us a bigger problem than Oregon did.
I'd invite you to tell us how tall you are.
If you’re 6’5", get off the computer and go play some basketball. If you’re 5’10"… hmmm… this could make things awkward?
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Get your head out of your....
The
best quarterback you see all year by leaps and bounds? What planet are you on?
Masoli does less with a much better supporting cast than Kaepernick does.
Did you see Masoli’s 5-19 (26%) performance against UCLA? Or his 7-21 (33%) performance against Cal? And your saying he throws better? Why? Because he ended the year at 57% and Kaepernick at 54%?
I can’t even take you serious.
Kaepernick had 1,100 more passing yards and 9 more passing TD’s with only 2 more INT’s. He had over double the rushing yards and 10 more rushing TD’s than Masoli.
If you wanted to argue the Masoli is better, or even the best you will face this year that is one thing. To say he’s the best by leaps and bounds is ridiculous.
Buster
Go take a nap old buddy. Havesomething to eat and a quick shower. You will be better in no time.
Excuses
Yeah. Excuses. Everybody has one. Being thoroughly average is my contention too.
JLF vs. the World.
Well, maybe not the world. I find it ok to talk smack, but to target one single player is like Masoli is the new Kapernick! You can’t replace a Kapernick. All this talk about one game and one players probably should be left to the ESPN message boards. Here on OBNUG, let’s focus on who BSU is and what they can do to defend against Masoli, whether your opinion of him is high or low.
In my opinion, Masoli has my respect. I don’t care about numbers. I saw him play both OSU’s and the guy has talent. he’s not just out there doing what the coach wants, but he’s making plays — smart decisions.
Lastly, I can hands down say that if Boise St. loses, it will be at the hands of Jeremiah Masoli.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Jul 11, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Talking Nice is Fine...
but who and what we face in upcoming games is a legitimate topic for discussion. I just didn’t buy off on all the hype about this so called Heisman candidate. He has not warranted it and Boise State fans can see it by his performance. The real story is elsewhere.
We Will See..
if your boy can do what you say. If he did what you say he did why don’t the numbers add up? They don’t add up because he did not produce scores on the board and THAT is what counts. If he was as good as you seem to think he is he would have accounted for more than just 13 TD’s. If he was as good as you think he is his QB rating would be higher than 46th in the nation out of 107. Kellen Moore is #11. There are real contenders for the Heisman, like Sam Bradford, who, for 2008 , put up numbers like a 180 QB rating, 4720 yards production and threw for 50 TDs; Colt McCoy had a QB rating of 174, 3859 yards and 34 TDs; Tim Tebow 172, 2746 and 30; Mark Sanchez 165, 3207 and 34. I can go on but I think I made my point. If you have to make excuses for not being ranked as one of the top QB’s in the country there is a reason and that reason is because he isn’t a top QB and to say he is Heisman material is not supported by the facts.
Nobody thinks Masoli is going to win the heisman...
not with the frontrunners that are coming into the season with one already in hand. That is why my sig says his dark-horse heiman candidacy because he is looking from the outside in. Lindy’s had him the no.9 quarterback in the country, which is all hype. However, as my sig points out Masoli has a singular focus, which is to prepare for his next game. Lastly, if he carries his late season “heisman-esque” form into the opener than watch out. Masoli had 23 total touchdowns in 10 starts, btw. In one start he was knocked out of the game in the first quarter.
"All I am thinking about is that blue turf" - Masoli, on his dark-horse heisman candidacy.
I'm with Loque on this one
Masoli is pretty good. I hope Oregon fans realize that many Bronco fans think highly of the guy and are a afraid of what he can do. Now can we please move along until at least mid-August?
"Body!" - Lars
I Said Earlier
that the real power in the Duck game is on the ground. No one I know thinks otherwise. Control the clock and keep the ball out of the air. That is what U of O does best. Boise’s best bet is passing. That makes clock control less critical. But that works two ways. Ground games sore less frequently which makes big passing plays easier to keep up with a strong ground component or move ahead quickly. In the end this game is really too close to call given no one knows how well either team will gel by September 3rd. And that, I think, makes those $150 EZ seats worth the money.
Control the clock and keep the ball out of the air. That is what U of O does best.
Umm, this is just flat out wrong. It’s absolutely hilarious that you speak with any authority on this topic when a basic look at the stats will prove that wrong. Oregon was last, yes LAST, in football last year in time of possession. None of their offense was based in any way on controlling the clock.
Furthermore, while Oregon can run the ball quite well, they set that up with the pass. The great offensive games they had last year were games where they used the pass to set up the run.
If you’re going to speak on a subject, why don’t you actually do some research on it. The least you can do is get the basic facts right.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
JLF
nominated worst post of the summer. Did you go research TCU and forget that you’re playing Oregon?
all ya had to do is look it up yourself fella
last in time of possession, all college football.
control the clock, run all game long, no interest in throwing… umm, nope.
good gawd somebody who knows masoli personally should send him a link to this thread and get him fired up x10…
by Bill Musgrave on Jul 12, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly...
Seeing the way Masoli played last year at the end of the season was pretty frightening. The kid is very talented and will be the reason Oregon can win the game. The Bronco D is going to have their work cut out for them. They typically haven’t played their best when facing quick quarterbacks and/or running backs. I think they can stop the Oregon offense, but it should be a really good match-up.
I think that posts here should require more thought and actual research should be done beforehand. Anyone who has seen Oregon play recently knows they are legit and are real national contenders. Research backs that up, but it shouldn’t take much.
Bronco Nation
It is obvious that Most bronco fans have a lot of respect for oregon and their qb. and im also 99% sure masoli really does Not care what a blog (yes, even the OBNUG itself) is saying.
I think we all need to keep in mind...
That JLF made a OPINION post. He feels that Darron Thomas is a bigger threat/ better QB than Masoli. Based on one game, I would agree with him. That’s not to say that I don’t think Masoli is a good QB. I DEFINATELY respect the athletic ability the kid has. IMHO we just don’t know enough about Thomas to make an accurate opinion. I think Thomas will be a pretty good QB, but I’m not too proud to admit that I’ve been wrong before.
Opinions, sure.
But I think he’s turning this one opinion article into a huge, rolling hate machine. I’m really thankful that most Bronco fans aren’t keep caught in that trap.
If smack is spoken here, it is often in humorous respect for the other team (barring Robb Akey’s mustache). I don’t want to see OBNUG becoming a hate machine where it loses it’s high-quality blogging value. I think we all owe Kevan, Drew, and even the Intern more than just lashing out (because that’s what it feels like) at any player/team that we have a significant disrespect for. As kevan has already referred to, he feels like he’s done something wrong by allowing this type of bickering on his website. Yet, he doesn’t want to be the bad guy and block off/delete this post.
JLF, that you for your posts here. You do put a different perspective that other people don’t typically see. In no way should you be censored. But, perhaps you just need to be a bit more careful on how you reply to your opposition.
Signed, Self-proclaimed Dad of OBNUG.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Jul 13, 2009 6:45 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Can't we all just get along?
I’ve got to agree with Kevan, Buster, Loque, forum 8usa, and the rest of you Bronco fans that are not into attacking someone based on very little evidence and half-thought-through arguments. Not cool. Fun to read, but not so cool. Oregon fans, thanks for visiting, thanks for being good fans, we’ll see you on the blue.
"The brothers, they don't think I know a butt-load of crap about the gospel, but I DO." -Nacho
by BroncoFever on Jul 13, 2009 7:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Mostly Wrong.
Thomas despite his stature not all that fast.. in fact maybe our slowest QB on the roster. he lost to Roper in the 40 last year. your assessment of Masoli or lack there of is a very minimalistic view of the type of things he is capable of doing. and what is this 4th grade Height jokes? Well done sir.
Actually, he is quite fast.
He’s faster than Roper(t), quicker on Costa even with healthy-knee, and I think could even rival Masoli at top-end speed. He definitely has the acceleration.
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Just saying here...
Per Scout, Darron Thomas runs a 4.55 compared to Jeremiah Masoli’s 4.5.
Rivals, conversely, has Thomas at a 4.52 and Masoli at a 4.6, for what that’s worth.
Just saying, they’re comparable.
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Thomas isn’t that fast…. according to a bit of hearsay over winter conditioning, he ran a 5.02 electronically timed 40, and 4.7 hand timed. According to Moseley, he looked to take a while to get to top speed.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I had a talk with Moseley about that over some emails.
In the spring he came out to run a 4.49. Above all, a little extra must’ve been in everyone’s diet as Holland ran a 4.24 circa 2008 then ran a 4.4 come 2009. Either everyone was rusty, or that electronic timer was running slow.
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Check that, a 4.21
Derrick Jones ran a 4.24 as I recall.
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All these 40 times seem to mean jack sh*t,
in my opinion. Everyone has a 4.4 time and then you get out on the field and one team is faster than the other…go figure. Holland could’ve been a track star and he streaked by Thurmond several times in the spring game. Nobody will be able to back pedal fast enough to stop him, especially with his new found physical presense.
As for our quarterbacks, they’re all fast but Masoli brings a physicality to the run game that you only get by being 5’11" and close to 220 pounds. I take that at 4.6 speed any day.
Of course they don't mean anything.
They’re just numbers on paper. But what’s the fun in anything but arguing!
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My wish for an Oregon fan:
I certainly hope you get to see Kellen Moore try to run the ball down field. It’s ok, we’ll be laughing right along side of you.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
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