After the Fiesta Bowl, where will the Boise State Broncos be ranked?
by Kevan Lee on Dec 9, 2009 7:40 AM PST
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Perhaps the Fiesta Bowl's greatest redeeming quality is that it pits the No. 4 and No. 6 teams against each other, which should result in one team finishing well into the Top Five with a win and maybe as high as No. 2.
After the jump, discuss how high you think the Broncos can land with a win and how far they will fall with a loss. Share your thoughts in the comments. How important will this game be for next year's Boise State team?
Below is a list of the BCS Top 15 with records and bowl opponents.
| Rank | Team | Record | Opponent | Bowl |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Alabama | 13-0 | Texas | NC game |
| 2 | Texas | 13-0 | Alabama | NC game |
| 3 | Cincinnati | 12-0 | Florida | Sugar |
| 4 | TCU | 12-0 | Boise State | Fiesta |
| 5 | Florida | 12-1 | Cincinnati | Sugar |
| 6 | Boise State | 13-0 | TCU | Fiesta |
| 7 | Oregon | 10-2 | Ohio State | Rose |
| 8 | Ohio State | 10-2 | Oregon | Rose |
| 9 | Georgia Tech | 11-2 | Iowa | Orange |
| 10 | Iowa | 10-2 | Georgia Tech | Orange |
| 11 | Virginia Tech | 9-3 | Tennessee | Chick-fil-A |
| 12 | LSU | 9-3 | Penn State | Capital One |
| 13 | Penn State | 10-2 | LSU | Capital One |
| 14 | BYU | 10-2 | Oregon State | Las Vegas |
| 15 | Miami (FL) | 9-3 | Wisconsin | Champs Sports |
How high will Boise State be ranked with a win in the Fiesta Bowl?
First, some history. Boise State entered the 2007 Fiesta Bowl ranked No. 9 in the country, and they left the Fiesta Bowl ranked No. 5 in the country. They were the only undefeated team in the country, much like last year's Utah team, which finished No. 2.
How likely is Boise State to pull off a 2008 Utah? One big difference is that the Broncos would not be the only undefeated team in the country. The winner of Texas-Alabama will also be undefeated, and Cincinnati has a shot if they beat Florida. One comforting bit of information: Utah was ranked No. 6 entering the Sugar Bowl last year.
The question of No. 2 comes down to what happens in the 2010 Sugar Bowl between Cincy and Florida. If the Bearcats win, it should give them enough of a push to stay ahead of the Broncos, no matter how big BSU wins over TCU. I would assume that the Bearcats can assure themselves a No. 2 finish with a win over the Gators, and they could even garner some first place votes if the National Championship is an ugly, ugly game.
Let's assume that Florida beats Cincinnati. Would the pollsters keep the Gators above the Broncos? For me, this would come down to quality wins. I think if both the Broncos and Gators win evenly, then Florida will stay above BSU. But if the Broncos blow out TCU and Florida squeaks by Cincinnati, I think that Boise State would have a chance of passing UF.
The loser of Texas-Alabama might mess up the Broncos' rise to the top, too. If the NC is a close game, the loser might not fall very far. In that case, Boise State might have trouble getting ahead of either Texas or Alabama, much like the Broncos were unable to jump Florida when the Gators lost the SEC championship.
Then there's this: Can Oregon or Ohio State jump a 14-0 Broncos team? I would certainly hope not, but I'm not putting anything past Craig James and Co.
My final verdict: No. 3. There are a lot of possibilities in the polls following these BCS games. If Boise State wins the Fiesta, I think the winner of Florida-Cincinnati will get the No. 2 spot, and the Broncos will be fighting the Alabama-Texas loser for No. 3.
How high do you think the Broncos can get?
(Sidenote: How high will TCU be ranked with a win? They would appear destined for a No. 2. The only thing keeping them from runner-up would be a dominating Cincinnati win over Florida. I think that even a narrow win over the Gators would put Cincinnati below a 13-0 TCU. Agree/disagree?)
How far will Boise State fall with a loss in the Fiesta Bowl?
The Broncos have a little bit of breathing room in the polls as there is only one one-loss team in the country prior to bowl season. After all the bowls have been played, there can be at most four one-loss teams (and in this scenario, there would be two undefeated teams), so you would think Boise State's No. 6 ranking might be secured.
Ah, but thinking that way would be giving college football too much credit. Despite what the records might say, do you think that voters will keep Boise State at No. 6 even after a loss to TCU in the Fiesta Bowl? I have a hard time believing it unless the Broncos and Horned Frogs play an epic game that comes down to the final minutes.
Otherwise, I think the possibilities are very good that the Rose Bowl winner and maybe Georgia Tech pass the Broncos. How disappointing would it be for a two-loss Oregon to finish ahead of a one-loss Boise State in the final poll? Don't answer that. I'm already regretting bringing up the topic.
Are there any teams outside of the Top 9 that could finish ahead of the Bronco? It doesn't seem likely. Perception of Iowa is such that the Broncos would have to really lay an egg for a two-loss Hawkeyes team to jump BSU. The next two schools, Virginia Tech and LSU, each have three losses, and there would be apocalypse now if a three-loss team passed a one-loss. Penn State could get pretty high with a win, but they are seven full spots behind the Broncos entering bowl season. That's a mighty tall hill to climb.
Here's a thought: Would any teams above the Broncos fall behind Boise State with a loss? For example, say Florida gets absolutely demolished by Cincinnati and BSU barely loses to TCU. Would the Gators fall behind the Broncos? What if Cincinnati were the team losing big?
I refuse to entertain the idea of BYU passing the Broncos. If that happens, I will light myself on fire in perpetuity.
My final verdict: No. 7. A big portion of the voting will depend on how close the Fiesta Bowl is. If Boise State plays really well, they will not tumble too far. If it is a blowout, they could end up a couple spots lower. I see the Broncos putting in a good effort and only being passed by one team currently below them. I just really hope that team isn't Oregon.
(Sidebar: How far will TCU fall with a loss? I could see the Horned Frogs tumbling to at least No. 6 or No. 7 as Boise State, the Rose Bowl winner, and Florida pass them. The Sugar Bowl loser and TCU would probably be the two schools battling for the ranking at that point. Agree/disagree?)
Your turn
Where do you think Boise State will end up in the rankings? Can they go as high as No. 2? Can they fall as far as No. 8? How do you think their final ranking will impact next season? Leave your thoughts in the comments.
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IMO
Boise State could end up as high a 3 with a win. I believe they would deserve to be 2, but the winner of the Sugar Bowl will get that honor. Now if TCU wins, I think they jump the Sugar Bowl winner. As far as next year, with the talent that will be returning, the Broncos will easily be a pre-season Top 10 team, win or lose in the Fiesta Bowl. I think with a win they’re 4 or 5, with a loss they’re 9 or 10.
As soon as they put a whupping on Oregon State and Va Tech they’ll be inside the top 5 as long as they don’t lose. I personally think the WAC is a foregone conclusion next year with the amount of players Boise State returns (all but FIVE). They could easily be propelled to numero uno next year by mid October if they’re undefeated, riding a 19-20 game win streak and demolishing their opponents.
Only time will tell…
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 9, 2009 8:06 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I also agree. Good stuff.
- with a win. About #10 with a loss and TCU #2.
Go Broncos!
Git-R-Done
by FirstDown on Dec 9, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
About #10 with a loss
Who do you think would jump them? Do you think Penn State – LSU winner would go above them? I wouldn’t put it past the voters.
"Only film the ones that are standing, Kenneth." - Tony Perkis
by Kevan Lee on Dec 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming all these games turn out this way,
1. Alabama
2. TCU
3. Florida
4. Oregon
5. Ga Tech
6. LSU
7. Texas
8.Va Tech
9. Cincinnati
10. BoiseState
You never know though…
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 10, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally.
I would throw a “Mitch Burroughs returning” joke in here, but that is now considered classless because of http://www.obnug.com/2009/12/2/1183060/the-epic-failure.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 9, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Petersen will have to...
out-coach Patterson in a big way for us to win. I personally think they have far better athletes and on paper should blow us out. Oklahoma, take two… I hope.
by Finloopio on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
They didn't blow out the Broncos last year.
Both teams have improved since then, TCU probably moreso. Remember the Broncos were undefeated last year too, and their defense was playing better than it has this year, but so is the offense. TCU’s offense is markedly improved and their defense is the same as it was last year, excellent.
I don’t see this being a blow out either way. I see another low scoring affair, wehre whoever has the ball last wins.
I saw a prediction that said; TCU 38-30 over the Broncos. NO way. 17-14 is more like it.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peterson was, for the first time, in my opinion, outcoached last year vs TCU.
by BSUTHROWBALLFOREVER on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But, like Dr. Lou said, the losing team always makes adjustments. The winning team does not. For this reason, a losing team usually has the advantage in a rematch… now hopefully we do better than Oregon did!
Someday I hope to look in a mirror and see something special... something like a coach pete protoge'.
by BigBaloo on Dec 9, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think about it...
it’s quite true. Last year’s bowl game was actually the second meeting between the teams in a bowl game.
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 9, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the losing team always makes adjustments. The winning team does not. For this reason, a losing team usually has the advantage in a rematch
That’s a really good piece of football wisdom. I would think this typically applies to in-season rematches. You think there’s something to be said for year-to-year rematches?
I think this says a lot about the quality of Boise State because they have been facing rematches as the winning team for years now. You’d think that a WAC team would figure it out at one point.
"Only film the ones that are standing, Kenneth." - Tony Perkis
by Kevan Lee on Dec 9, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really think it had as much to do with coaching,
as it had to do with TCU just being flat out more physical. The Broncos were getting pushed around in the end of the game, though they led almost the entire game. Giving up the lead late in the game is what sealed the fate of the Broncos. You might recall, they had a couple opportunities to score and failed to do so (Missed FG anyone??)
Here’s the 4th quarter play by play. It came down to the very last play. Had Brotzman not missed a 38 yarder with 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd, we’d be talking about the Broncos 26 game win streak, and what the weather will be like in Pasadena in a month.
TCU did run all over the defense and double up the Broncos in yards, YAY inconsequential stats! The fact is, it was close, real close.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 9, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Hawkins hadnt broken off
on that pattern or played a little D I like our chances. We still had a timeout, there was time, and we coulda got Brotz in line for another Fg. If Hout had made it to the endzone…It was close game.
tvmunson
by tmunson on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that Phillips LB is now in the NFL.
He was a beast. Idk who they got to fill his spot. But him not being on the field will help also.
I think his name was phillips.
by summitkopp on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which one was the Cavander missing evil triplet?
I sure hope he’s gone!
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by OBNUG Intern on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't brotzman miss a late field goal that would have given the broncos the lead?
and perhaps the win?
This is national TV. So don't pick your noses or scratch your nuts.
by joe bob priddy on Dec 9, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh the possiblities!
I’ve given this some thought the last few days. My butt is still chapped from the Fiesta Bowl Committee cop-out, but what are we to do? Anyway, I digress. How high we climb or fall obviously will depend on the other BCS bowl games being played.
A couple scenarios:
If BSU manages a blow-out (that’s far from a foregone conclusion, though), I could theoretically see us climbing as high as #2 and maybe even garner a few 1st place votes. For that to happen, IMO, the Florida/Cincy game would have to be an ugly, ugly game with Florida eeking out a win. The OSU/Oregon game would have to be a blow-out by Oregon (very real possiblity there!). The championship game would also have to be an ugly game score-wise. Alabama would have to completely demolish Texas (which is a very real possibility as well).
Another possibility is placing as high as 3rd. If the championship game is close and the other bowl games go as I previously stated in the above paragraph, then BSU realistically wouldn’t climb any higher than 3rd. Also, if Cincy wins, and the championship game is a blow-out by one team or the other, we wouldn’t climb any higher than third. I think that 3rd is the most realistic possibility for the Broncos.
The last possibility is climbing no higher than 4th. If BSU wins a close game, the championship game would have to be a nail-biter and the Sugar bowl would have to be won by either team, being a close game as well. In this scenario, I could see the championship game winner being 1st, then Cincy (if they win) being second, followed by the championship game loser and then BSU.
If BSU loses, I don’t see them falling any further than where we currently are. But again…perception is the biggest key here. If BSU gets blown out, we may actually fall as far as 7th or 8th. But I don’t see a blow-out happening to the Broncos.
An even bigger question is how will we rank going into next year?
If BSU wins, I can see us being in the 2nd-4th range. If we lose, I still see us in the top 15, anywhere from 9th-12th.
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't Boise State the highest-ranked non-BCS ever this preseason at No. 14?
I might be wrong on that, but I thought I heard it somewhere.
It will be interesting to see how much impact the TCU’s and BSU’s of the world continue to have on the preseason polls after this bowl season. I think the Top Ten might be a stretch considering that #14 is the current all-time high. Asking for Top Five might be a few years premature. But we’ll see. The college football landscape is a-changing.
"Only film the ones that are standing, Kenneth." - Tony Perkis
by Kevan Lee on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Forde
In Pat Forde’s chat on 12/1 somebody asked about Boise State’s young team and where they might be ranked to start the 2010 season. He said something along the lines of , “As much as I hate looking too far ahead, I may well pick Boise #1 going into next year. They’re loaded.”
There are a few members of the media who are begging to acknowledge and accept the TCU’s and BSU’s of the world. Very nice to see.
by Drofdarb23 on Dec 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is how I see it.
NC game: I fully expect Alabama to dismantle Texas as bad or worse than what they did to Florida in the SEC championship game.
Sugar Bowl: Tebow, the living legend will be playing his last game in a Gator uniform and Cinci will be playing without their Head Coach as he will have moved on to greener pastures at Notre Damn before the bowl game. Thus UF is going to send Cinci out of New Orleans beaten, broken, bloody, and a lopsided loser.
With a win over TCU, BSU will not get any higher than 3rd (behind Bama and UF) and if either one of the two games above ends up being closer than I expect I would say that we would realistically be looking at 4th.
With a loss I would say BSU finishes 9th give or take a spot depending on the final score and overall quality of the game that BSU plays.
by Mountngrown on Dec 9, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy into the TCU hype...Who have they beat this season??
TCU’s best win was a buzzer beater against an 8-5 Clemson…in an over-rated ACC conf: Clemson (8-5) 14-10.
TCU struggled barely pulling out a W against Air Force 20-17??!
TCU’s other marquee wins came against teams that have a combined record of 22-50
Virginia (3-9)
Colorado State (3-9)
UNLV (5-7)
San Diego State (4-8)
Wyoming (6-6)
New Mexico (1-11)
…it seems that the MWC middle to bottom tier teams have weakened in comparison to past seasons!!
TCU’s only ranked wins came against bipolar Brigham Young and inconsistent Utah.
BYU gained fame beating #3 OU at the start of this season; OU ended up finishing the season with a 7-5 record…UNRANKED!…BYU then turned around and were decimated in their own stadium (54-28) to a below average FSU.
A Utah win would usually be huge bragging rights…but this is not the 2008 Utah/Sugar Bowl team…this 2009 Utah team was really only ranked this season because of last year’s bowl win!
I predict BSU over TCU 31-17
by csf68 on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Ive been thinking the same thing.
Right when I heard I thought it was gonna be a tough game. Then taking a step back… The MWC’s lower half seems like it is really down. The WAC seemed to be stronger then last year. (With Idaho, Nevada, and Fresno St.. Even with San Jose St. and NM St.) Doug Martin will be able to run against them I think and if Pettis gets back. Im going to feel fairly confident actually.
Like your prediction.
by summitkopp on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd and agreed!
As I said on another post, TCU doesn’t scare me at all. I think the Broncos will hang with them no problem. I too think their schedule is over-inflated by hype, that largely stems from Utah’s win bringing some credibility to the MWC. Another reason why I hate SOS, it’s so damn subjective.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 9, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also color me not scared of TCU
Sure they ended up with nearly 2x as many yds as the Broncs in last year’s game, but that almost makes it look worse that they couldn’t manage more than 17 points, and that the game still came down to the last play. I’m confident that BSU will devise a proper strategy for conquering TCU’s defense this time and winning. And of course that will be a huge springboard for next season.
by hummerofdoom on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got us right where we want you.
by SammyOBrien on Dec 11, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and
Obviously this will be BSU’s toughest challenge of the year and they’ll have to govern themselves accordingly to win.
by hummerofdoom on Dec 11, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be a great game
I’ve gone on record on other blogs as to what a slap in the face this matchup is to both schools. The BCS is (appropriately) scared of both of us.
by SammyOBrien on Dec 12, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for real
You can call it a slap in the face, and it’s probably true. But we’ve seen the rise of a new Goliath in BSU over the years, and now TCU if they build on this year’s dominance. Next year these non-AQ teams will start even higher-ranked than this year’s record, no matter how this game turns out. As long as they deliver on the field, the BCS is gonna have to accept them. Maybe we should be looking at this as the Goliath’s table and not the kids’ table. No disrespect to the other teams in the BCS!
by hummerofdoom on Dec 13, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, Hummer
Crying and stomping my virtual foot doesn’t change the facts of the matter. Both TCU and Boise State, playing by the rules, are in the BCS and that is a huge step in the right direction.
For a few years now, I’ve started the college football season hoping to see TCU make it into a January bowl game. Well, here we are; I need to shut up, realize that change happens slowly and just enjoy the ride.
I am looking forward to seeing next year’s pre-season polls. But, first, I am looking forward to one of the most, if no THE most exciting bowl game of the year in the Fiesta Bowl.
by SammyOBrien on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no need to wait to see next year's pre-season polls. Here you go
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2010/earlybird/index.htm
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by OBNUG Intern on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seen it.
Could happen. Might not.
by SammyOBrien on Dec 21, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a great feeling when your team arrives!
Just be sure to keep things in perspective as you start expecting more and more from your team, and don’t take success for granted! (Look where Hawaii is now.)
by hummerofdoom on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect
I watched that Air Force TCU game and it really wasn’t as close as the score indicated. TCU dominated and never looked in jeopardy of losing that game. They have looked dominant all year. They wouldn’t give up anything big to big-play Clemson and control the game. If Petersen can outcoach Patterson, I think we have a chance, because I think they are far more athletic, especially with the injury to Pettis.
by Finloopio on Dec 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect I disagree...I believe they are less athletic than the BSU....we will score on their defense and their offensive is average at best...TCU is going down!
by csf68 on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BSU
Doesn’t have the same physical capacity as TCU has. Close, maybe (I mean we will find out how close), but this is a better TCU team, and less conservative offensively, than the one that gained 2x as many yards as you guys did last year in your game. They got almost 300 on the ground last year against you guys, their quartback is better this year, they let him do more. Their defense is better as well, faster, more physical than last year’s was. You haven’t seen an O-line like that in a long, long time. Look, I plug Boise State to my east coast friends, I’m just telling you what I see: TCU is bigger, faster, and look nasty.
Watching you guys last year and this, I’d say you had a better team last year as a whole, so no, I don’t think BSU is more athletic than TCU, I think that you watch TCU play better oponents and they don’t outclass them the way Boise does its conference foes. It gives us an artifical sense of how physical BSU is.
I expect BSU to stack the box and see can Dalton beat them with his arm. He can.
Last year he might struggle a little, this year he’s making all his throws, very few errors and picks, and he can run better than any QB you faced in a game. Thier defense, I would say, is superior to any defense BSU has faced in their history, I don’t care who it was you played when, this defense is unbelievable. As Ian Johnson noted last year, TCU was tougher than any team you have ever played. They’re better this year, better by a piece, too.
by MeanBobMean on Dec 12, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well done. This info. needs broadcasted on ESPN.
We would not know how to prepare if we were not the underdogs.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Dec 9, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes well . . .
All of those wins against about two-three times as much talent as any of BSU’s wins outside of Oregon. That overrated ACC has talent out the keister.
Kudos to you guys again onanotehr great year!
This TCU team is better than last year’s team. They have not only more experience and depth, more raw talent, but they are playing as a team—like the Broncos I would say do which is always your great strength, being underappreciated and overlooked—TCU feels that this is their story as well.
You guys will be facing a team as fast, or faster, than you that is bigger and stronger, as mean, and as nasty (a good thing) or worse. Kellen Moore is an outstanding D I talent, no holds barred. I’d love for him to be our QB! If he gets the grip on TCU’s speed early, you guys can stay in it. If he doesn’t, you’re in for a longish night.
I do like your chances given the level of preparation your team and coaches put into big games.
This could be an extremely good and tight game, or TCU could waste you guys, but I doubt that BSU can dominate them. That score is about how you beat LTech. Thatwon’t happen gainst the most motivated team you faced all season, a consistent team which has a huge chip on its shoulders—just like BSU always does.
You guys should have your momentsin this game, but last year they outmuscled you and this year they get not only the yards, they get the points ot match those yards. Last year they racked up yardage many games and could not finish.
by MeanBobMean on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mean Bob Mean,
Meet Doug Mad. Doug Smash.
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by Loque on Dec 11, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To Be Posted In BSU Locker Room
If Boise State wins the Fiesta Bowl they will be ranked #1. If they lose they will finish the season unranked.
by TitoRay on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, Tito...
Post it wherever you want, BSU will not pass Bama AND Texas.
by SammyOBrien on Dec 12, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re missing the joke.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 13, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup...
If I had any hair to speak of, it would be waving violently as yet another joke goes soaring over my head.
by SammyOBrien on Dec 14, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Root for Alabama
First, remember to be looking at the AP, not BCS standings.
If Texas wins and Florida wins, there will be a lot of pollsters that will keep Alabama above Florida (due to the SEC Championship game). You would see a Top 5 looking like:
1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Boise St.
5. Rose Bowl winner
with little chance of Boise cracking the Top 3. If Alabama wins big, you could see Boise above Texas.
1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Boise St.
4. Texas
5. Rose Bowl winner
If Boise loses, it will most definitely fall behind the winners of the Rose (even if it’s Oregon) and Orange Bowls. The question will be whether Boise also falls behind the Penn St./LSU winner, a victorious Va. Tech, and a victorious Miami. Depends how much Boise loses by. Best case:
1. BCS Winner
2. TCU
3. Florida
4. BCS Loser
5. Rose Bowl Winner
6. Orange Bowl Winner
7. Boise St.
8. Cincy
9. Penn St.
Worst Case:
1. BCS Winner
2. TCU
3. Cincy
4. BCS Loser
5. Rose Winner
6. Orange Winner
7. Florida
8. Penn St.
9. Va Tech
10. Miami
11. Boise St.
The good thing about the Top 10 all being in BCS Games is that it limits the number of teams that can hop over you. I see 11 as the floor and 3 as the ceiling.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 9, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What's your "ceiling" if
Bama blows out Texas and Cincy eeks out a win against Florida with BSU hammering TCU?
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for not putting Boise State behind BYU in the worst case scenario
I’m still a little sad inside, though.
Just out of curiosity: How much of a blowout is your worst case scenario?
"Only film the ones that are standing, Kenneth." - Tony Perkis
by Kevan Lee on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Boise wins, I see Boise slotting in at #3 either behind Alabama if Texas wins, or behind the Sugar Bowl winner, with TCU having a ceiling of #2 if they beat Boise soundly.
Worst case scenario I see for Boise is #12 if the game gets out of hand in a loss, while I could see TCU dropping towards the #8/9 spots.
by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 9, 2009 5:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Still above BYU though, I don’t think anything would drop Boise that far.
by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 9, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whats the news on pettis
i keep seeing “if pettis is back” bet haven’t really heard anything, whats his situation?
by bsudayas on Dec 9, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have some great inside info...on Pettis!! You heard it here first!!
This information is about as reliable as it gets…one of the docs at the sports complex is a close friend of mine. Pettis’s surgery went great! Usually when you have a facture like Pettis has the doc would simply put a cast on and the recovery time would be around 3 months. Pettis said no way and opted instead to have a metal plate screwed into the bone…hence the surgery. The surgery option cuts the recovery time in half…the down side is that he will have a metal plate permanently screwed in his foot. Austin is planning on playing in the bowl game…that is the only reason that he would have the surgery. The first step was a successful surgery…anytime there is surgery the patient can have complications; Austin’s recovery progress in right on track. Austin must hit a few benchmarks in his physical therapy to qualify for the docs consent to play in the bowl…but there is no sign that he will not hit those marks. The doc said that Pettis is likely to play!! The doc said that the only reason to have the surgery was to allow him to play…they wouldn’t have risked it on a maybe.
What you haven’t heard in the press is that Kirby Moore still has a broken foot (stress fracture)…he had a screw drilled into his foot at the start of the season and recently reported pain…the X-rays showed that the titanium screw (to hold the bone together) had busted inside his foot!! The doctors were amazed that he was not in more pain…nor had they ever seen a broken screw! This happened before the New Mexico State game…Moore has played through the injury and still plans to postpone his surgery until after the Fiesta Bowl. Wow, tough kid!! It makes you wonder how a healthy Kirby will play next season…playing in pain must be difficult his injury has slowed his speed a little, all season.
by csf68 on Dec 9, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the update!
That’s some comprehensive info. I know the Intern and other will be glad to read this!
by Drofdarb23 on Dec 9, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very glad!
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by OBNUG Intern on Dec 10, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This bowl game...
and the two marquee OOC opponents next year are going to be a pivitol period for BSU.
TCU is as balanced a team this year as you will find.
Oregon State has very little dropoff next year, especialy if Moeavo is given the medical shirt. Quizz makes preseason top 5 heisman candidates (along with Moore and Masoli…the NW will represent).
VA Tech in Washington DC is basically an away game against another young team.
Worst case scenario is to lose all three obviously. The repurcussions of that are dire. You’ll always be remembered as the team that one against OU in the fiesta bowl – a David vs. Goliath cliché. Non-AQ stereotypes will be pushed back into the dark ages.
The second to worse case scenario is to lose to TCU and split the OOC schedule (probably better to beat VA Tech). There is absolutely no shame in losing to TCU in my mind. That is one damn good football team that nobody wants a peice of. This scenario is a little better but it still perpetuates the idea that you’re mid-level talent in a horrible league that can occasionally play with the big boys.
Losing to TCU but sweeping the entire schedule next year seems, at first glance, as almost as good as the best case scenario: sweeping everything and go on the mythical championship run with a 27 game winning streak. Of course, after writing that last part it becomes paramount to beat TCU, so that you are in place to make a serious national title run.
Gosh…there is a lot riding on next 9 months.
by BisonDucks on Dec 10, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wish there was an edit function on these sites...
one should be won, for the WORD police.
by BisonDucks on Dec 10, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its ok, we all do it. We even have a word for it: Munson'd
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by OBNUG Intern on Dec 16, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say . . .
Y’all will be ranked no lower than 12th if you lose, and about 3rd with a win.
by MeanBobMean on Dec 11, 2009 6:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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