Fiesta Bowl BCS reaction runs the gamut from unjust collusion to well-deserved equality
The college football world is abuzz with news on the BCS bowl pairings, none more so than that of Boise State versus TCU. What's your take on the matchup of the Broncos and the Horned Frogs in January 4's Fiesta Bowl?
After the jump, find out what the local and national media are saying, and let me know in the comments who you agree with. The good news is that Boise State is going to a BCS bowl. The rest of the news seems to be up for interpretation.
Chris Petersen and Gene Bleymaier react to news that "He went to Jared." (via media.idahostatesman.com)
My personal email reaction
This morning, I checked my email inbox in hopes of an Amazon confirmation, and instead I was reminded of the reality of my favorite college football team.
You guys got the shaft. Wow, What a pathetic cop out by the BCS...
And ...
I'm glad I get to see the poinsettia bowl from last year again... wait...
And oh, there's my Amazon confirmation. Turns out they sent my package to my old address where it will face off against last year's Christmas gift in a battle that will determine nothing. And I'll be out a present this year.
Local reaction
Dave Southorn of the IPT quoted Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker, claiming that the Fiesta Bowl strikes a blow for non-BCS respect. Spin much?
Still, the Fiesta Bowl folks couldn't turn down a matchup of undefeated teams. And instead of the feeling that the game is hampering non-BCS teams' claims for a national title, CEO John Junker said it will in fact benefit them.
"We see it as taking a large chunk out of the glass ceiling," he said Sunday.
Really? How thick is that glass ceiling?
Southorn's new partner in IPT crime, editor Tom Fox, weighed in with his take on the BCS matchup in a piece entitled "BCS not perfect, but seems to work." Fox then went on to describe neither the BCS's imperfections nor the ways in which it works.
"I think it's good for college football, and I think it's an exciting time," Boise State coach Chris Petersen said. "We've been saying the whole time, 'the system's not perfect.' I think everybody knows that, but we're making progress and trying to get it right."
Boise State is not going to complain about the match up or returning to the same BCS bowl. They are just happy they were offered a chair this time around.
Much of Fox's column studied the lengths to which Boise State administrators and the WAC's PR firm went to in order to land Boise State a BCS berth. How influential do you think any of those tactics ended up being? I seem to think that the only reason Boise State made a BCS bowl was because there were so few one-loss teams and because Nebraska couldn't hold a lead against Texas. Was that the more important factor?
Brian Murphy's initial reaction? Fragments.
Hated it. That was my first reaction to pairing Boise State and TCU in the Fiesta Bowl. Hated making two non-BCS-conference teams square off. Hated that neither program would get a chance to knock off one of the BCS big boys, like Florida.
Hated it. No questions asked.
But not long after, Murphy was drinking the Kool-Aid.
I've got to hand it to the Fiesta Bowl. They treated the Horned Frogs and Broncos just like any other team, opting to put together the best matchup and ignoring the programs' small alumni bases and newcomer status.
In other words, they treated them as equals, which is all the non-BCS teams and their fans ever wanted.
One other interesting quote from Murphy's story came from Fiesta Bowl CEO Junker, who responded to allegations of collusion and martyring his bowl for the greater good of the BCS.
"I'm attempting to be a gentleman, but that's the biggest load of crap I've heard in my life," Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker said Sunday, dismissing the suggestion.
"We don't do the bidding of somebody else to our detriment."
He went on to add: "We are perfectly capable of bidding to our own detriment, thankyouverymuch."
National reaction
The first sentence on the AP Fiesta Bowl recap pretty much sums up how the country is viewing this game.
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. - Welcome to the BCS Buster Bowl.
Not cool, AP-lede-writing-machine. Not cool.
Matt Hinton of Yahoo's Dr. Saturday blog can always be counted on for a rational reaction to college football's biggest stories. Case in point:
The title game was always basically out of reach for Boise and TCU (if Nebraska had held on to beat Texas on Saturday night, Cincinnati would have gone on to Pasadena instead, not the Frogs), but pitting them head-to-head means they don't even get their requisite shot at an Oklahoma or Alabama to make their case. They get the Poinsettia Bowl Deluxe, where the only possible statement either can make to the nation is to inflict an unwatchable blowout on the other.
Hinton ended his story with Fiesta Bowl analysis that I am pretty sure Mark May will use at some point during this bowl season:
Fiesta Bowl: TCU vs. Boise State.
Aw, way to go, you guys! I bet you're going to fly out here all by yourselves!
Hinton even had a smooth dig on the BCS prior to the announcement of the pairings. How could he have known that the BCS would fail once again? Is he clairvoyant?
... Any system that culls the field to two contenders by means other than actual football has no business calling itself a "championship." For at least the ninth time its 12-year life, the BCS can't possibly fulfill its mission of matching the top two teams head-to-head because it automatically excludes most of the qualified applicants.
Cory McCartney, an SI writer I had not heard of until this morning, is so disappointed at the Fiesta Bowl pairing that he is resorting to movie references. Animal House? Is that the one with Will Ferrell and Vince Vaughn?
I'm reminded of the opening scene of Animal House, when Kent Dorfman and Larry Kroger knocked on the door of Omega Theta Pi during rush. After being quickly paraded around and given a glimpse of all the beautiful people, they're summarily banished to sit on the couch with Mohammet, Jugdish, Sidney and Clayton, a motley crew deemed more on their level.
McCartney's follow-up to the analogy is also an eloquent take on the situation.
Should TCU, ranked third in the final BCS standings, have played fellow unbeaten Cincinnati or Florida, which spent 12 weeks ranked No. 1, and won handily, it could have made a case for a share of the national title in the AP poll, which isn't contractually obligated to crown the winner of the BCS Championship Game. But instead, we have a rematch of the 2008 Poinsettia Bowl, only with a much more lucrative payday -- and just like last year's Poinsettia Bowl, it offers no tangible reward, because no matter what Boise State and TCU do in that game, it will be met with, "Yes, you went undefeated and won a BCS game, but look who you played."
Spencer Hall at EDSBS needed no words to capture his take on the BSU-TCU matchup.
The New York Times' Pete Thamel might be the first to bring up how the Fiesta Bowl will impact the rankings for both teams next year.
What exactly can they prove by playing? We’ll find out on Jan. 4. But the sad part is, Patterson is already worried about next year.
"We’re trying to set ourselves up where you can start higher in the rankings," he said. "One of the things that probably hurt us this year, we ended up No. 7 in the B.C.S. and started No. 17."
Stewart Mandel from SI.com is one writer who is on board with the Fiesta Bowl's decision.
I never thought I'd say this, but it seems the BCS suddenly has more respect for non-BCS teams than much of the general public. ...
Have you guys not looked at the latest rankings? TCU is fourth. Boise State is sixth. Both are undefeated. Why would they better prove themselves by beating their originally projected opponents, Georgia Tech and Iowa -- both of which are lower ranked and sport two losses apiece -- than by beating each other?
And to wrap it up, here is a handful of other stories concerning the topic
- TCU and Cincinnati deserved a national title shot.
- The USA Today wonders if Boise State and TCU deserved better.
- A gambling site's perspective on the Fiesta Bowl pairing.
- USA Today Coaches' poll voting revealed: Robb Akey has Broncos above TCU.
Your take
What do you think about the reaction around the country? Do you buy the arguments that Brian Murphy and Stewart Mandel make? Are you convinced by Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker's statements? Share your thoughts in the comments, and if you run into any other BCS-related links worth sharing, add them below or turn them into a FanShot.
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I agree
that TCU is actually a better team than Iowa. However, does the rest of the nation actually believe that? I believe that we will be treated to a more competitive game against TCU, but I’m still a bit bummed that we don’t get to trounce Iowa and I feel a little bit cheap that now I have to hate TCU. I respect their position and their program.
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by Crissie on Dec 7, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The game itself is great.
It’s the implication that’s lost. Boise would have slaughtered an Iowa team that’s survived on turnovers all year long. TCU would have given Florida a run for their money (or Georgia Tech, or Cincy), and would have at least shown parity with a top-end BCS team. Now it’s impossible for that claim to be made.
But the game itself looks to be the best one of the entire bowl season, and it’s not even close.
by Hooper on Dec 7, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adolph Hitler said it best:If you're going to lie, lie big and obvious.
This is such an unmitigated travesty that it stuns the mind, kinda like Hilter invading Poland and blaming it on 6 dead German prisoners in stolen Polish uniforms. The obviousness of it underscores the “up yours” quality of the whole sytsem. Just as Hilter got 100 million Germans and a fair amount of the rest of the world to buy into it, we have the usual suspects saying the expected things. I have’nt seen such an obvious rubout since Beniigno Aquino returned from the Phillipines to rival Marcos; Marcos had him killed before he reached the tarmac and then the “assassin” was shot by the cops. HOW CONVEEENIENT! BCS-“Make us take 2 non-AQ’s; ok here you go”. Call it what you want. You can call (badword) peanut butter but ti still makes a bad sandwich.
tvmunson
by tmunson on Dec 7, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Godwin's law has been invoked
Only took slightly more than 24 hours too…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
I have attended every home Boise State football game since 1992.
by JasonHaberman on Dec 7, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche' see my more appropo comment/post re Agothocles
tvmunson
by tmunson on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robb Akey has Broncos above TCU.
Nice to know, but he also have Texas 1st, Bama 2nd.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 7, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Five Idiots
Did you also notice that 5 coaches had Oregon higher than BSU?
Jim Harbaugh
Les Miles
Gary Pinkel
Mike Sanford
Paul Wulff
Not that it matters, but it’s still a crock.
by casketbase on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Gary Crowton did Les Miles' ballot.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 7, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Football World will have massive respect for the winner of this game...
so long as neither one pops off about deserving a shot at the title afterward because, well, “look at who you played.” And while the winner, and likely the loser too, will be respected by football diehards, what of the casual fan or the general public?
Having said all of this, I simply cannot resolve this question: Why, even if John Junker is a BCS elitist, would he create this matchup if he did not truly believe his “spin”? It’s not as though his economic condition is the only one at stake here. He has to answer to the community of Glendale/Phoenix as well as to the Tostitos folks. There is no way he sells this to these people if he doesn’t believe that a matchup of undefeateds will lure travelers to Glendale and eyeballs to TVs.
by leadtrumpetdave on Dec 7, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
unless....
someone payed somebody else off. Can we get TMZ or Dateline on this?
by leadtrumpetdave on Dec 7, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He must have believed that two undefeateds made a better match than TCU/Iowa.
Penn State was #13 in the BCS standings, so they and their massive fanbase were ineligible for consideration. I’m guessing they didn’t see a big enough difference between Iowa and Boise, attendance-wise, to justify picking Iowa over an unbeaten team.
On paper, it was the right choice.
by Hooper on Dec 7, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you take a step back...
Boise State gets to play a much better team than Iowa by playing TCU. However, I think TCU got screwed more in this whole scenario. As much as I like the matchup on paper (though TCU scares the crap out of me right now)…this game just feels like a slight. Kinda like they’re saying “Ok, you guys got into the BCS…now let the big kids play and you two duke it out at the kids table”.
Big matchup of two undefeated teams, but my gut says that the BCS is sticking it to the both of us.
by Drew Roberts on Dec 7, 2009 8:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's not the game.
We get the best of the teams, except maybe Florida (and I think I wanted that game as much for the color scheme as anything) but it’s conference perception that both of us are battling, and unless one of us kills the other, even winning this game won’t really help with that.
by Cougarflounder on Dec 7, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,... at least we get the big bucks...
Friends, if that Texas FG attempt was 2 feet more to the left, we MIGHT not even be having this conversation, albeit that would have been an even bigger travesty. BCS cop out? I don’t know, but I can say with total veracity that the big boys want no part of the Frogs or the Broncs, so they pit us together.
p.s. Those guys in purple uniforms are frightening. Our boys need to bring the A game.
GO BRONCOS!
by FirstDown on Dec 7, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Break out orange unifroms
I’d still be disappointed but it would add some fun maybe.
by zatoichi on Dec 7, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the Orange pants.
…but we’re the home team. All Orange or Blue tops/Orange bottoms would look worse than an Oregon uni.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no we're not.
we’re away, and according to the Fiesta Bowl website, we’ll be wearing our whites.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 7, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do feel bad for TCU...
But it really is an awesome match-up. That cannot be denied!
Someday I hope to look in a mirror and see something special... something like a coach pete protoge'.
by BigBaloo on Dec 7, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Enough whining.
This is fantastic! Should be one of the best games.
Coach Patterson of TCU seems a little cocky, he needs a beat down.
Get a ticket and get “richtered up” for game we have all been waiting for.
Most Texans are big and empty just like their State.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Patterson has been nothing but classy. If he’s been “cocky” at all, it’s been in private conversations.
"Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish."
by Dr. Jrig on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
If he’s a bit cocky, it’s because he’s put together a pretty dang good team.
by marktgarten on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great matchup, but
I wanted to see either of these teams face off against GT, Iowa, Florida or Cincinnati. Whatever happens, the winner of this game should just go out and claim the national championship. Just claim it. Add it to your web site, advertise yourself as “The 2009 National Champions Boise State Broncos/TCU Horned Frogs” because, while I generally dislike mid major conferences, who’s to say the winner of this game doesn’t deserve it? If you have five undefeated teams, why should only two get a chance to win the national championship?
by VT89 on Dec 7, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm done being pissed about it
I was so frustrated last night, I stayed off the computer and stopped watching ESPN. After “accepting” this game I’m beginning to get excited for it. This will be a rubber match.
It will feel good to get revenge on TCU after last season. They’re not a BCS team but they are respected. A Boise State win will slingshot them into a very high ranking to start out next season.
TCU does make make me nervous, however. Our guys will be better prepared this year with a chip on their shoulder. Boise State plays best that way.
"Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish."
by Dr. Jrig on Dec 7, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't agree more
About the chip on the shoulder. Last year’s loss, already 7 point Vegas dogs, TCU jumping us in the standings…..Broncos always at their best when their back is against the wall.
by Cougarflounder on Dec 7, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it once and I'll say it again.
Both teams should refuse to play once kickoff time arrives. Not only would we not be buying into the sham called the BCS, but we’d be sending a big message to the power’s that be that they shouldn’t screw over the small-school teams just so they can keep that fingertip’s grasp on the notion of perceived “superiority”.
I, for one, am glad I’ll be on my way to Germany when the game is played. It keep me from having to say that I won’t watch the game out of choice. But if I were here, I wouldn’t watch it. And that’s a first for me. I’ve been a Bronco fan since the day I was born (over 35 years ago) and not once before have I chose to NOT watch a BSU game. By voluntarily watching the game, I’m admitting that I accept the current system the way it is, albeit grudgingly. In some folks eyes that makes me a bandwagon or fair-weather fan. To those of you that would think that…F-off. Seriously. This is MY form of protest. It’s the same as Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat to a white person. It’s the same as those long-ago patriots dumping tea into Boston Harbor. It’s my way of saying, “I refuse to accept the status quo any longer.”
While the match-up itself, from a purely football aspect, is a great match-up, it’s nothing more than a slap to both TCU’s and our faces. Every year, year-in and year-out, all we hear about is that we need to schedule tougher. Play the big boys and beat them. And what happens? Instead of proving our mettle on the field of battle, they kick us into a seperate room. They give us our little plastic helmets, our NERF footballs and a great big lollipop as a payment. Anyone remember last year? Why wasn’t Boise chosen to play in a BCS bowl? Because supposedly Ohio State would bring more people to the game. And since the previous BCS bowls with non-AQ participants in them are amongst the lowest rated games since the start of the BCS, why jeprodize more than one bowl with supposed low viewership? Stick both up-starts in one bowl and preserve the sanctity of the BCS system.
This crap system makes it nearly impossible to stomach watching CFB anymore. This is just the Poinsettia Bowl ver. 2.0.
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Come on dude, give yourself a little bit of credit. All Rose Parks did was change the history of our country. You’re choosing not to watch a football game.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Dec 7, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its the principle of the thing quacker.
Its a complete injustice and no one should stand for it
"Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee." - Dan Hawkins
by BoiseState on Dec 7, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-V-I-O-L-A-T-E-D"
by JShufelt on Dec 7, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
60 mins of Kellen Moore and Andy Dalton taking knees and negative rushing yards.
That’d be fun.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 7, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's another thought that crossed my mind, Loque.
Or another good idea would be for both teams to show up in shorts and uniform tops with a flagged belt fastened around their waists. Everyone loves flag football!
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 7, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
..wearing Fiesta Hats instead of helmets.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
by Loque on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Going down there...
Last year it was more of a hostile environment… This year I have a feeling both teams fans will understand that they are being treated unfairly and will be very respectful. Last years bowl I came across a couple TCU fans looking like a holes. (At the Basketball game actually)
by summitkopp on Dec 7, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
put the violins away
first it was “we deserve a national title shot.” then it was “we deserve a bcs bowl game.” but now you’re all pissed about the matchup. you’re in a bcs bowl game and deservedly so! congratulations! the bcs isn’t fair. this is hardly a revelation. while bsu fans talk about the “big six conferences” its really only a few teams in those conferences who get much preferential treatment (osu, usc, texas, florida, bama, etc.).
you’ve got a chance to play tcu, one of the best teams in the country. if you win, you get to talk about how you may have been able to beat bama/texas for the next 7 months. its really a much better opportunity than playing a no. 9 or no. 10 team. i really don’t get all this complaining.
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by themanthemyth on Dec 7, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Then you really don't have a clue...
So I’ll clarify it for you.
What’s the biggest arguement against non-AQ teams playing in the BCS bowls? The perceived notion that we don’t play a strong enough schedule. It’s said that we need to play the “big boys” in order to earn our way into the BCS bowls. Once we get there, this year, they snub us and say that we (and TCU) don’t deserve to prove our mettle against the storied, traditional power conference teams. Couple that with the fact that there’s been at least 10 teams that BSU’s contacted to play a one-and-done game at their house and they’ve refused even though the teams have an open date that corresponds with BSU’s open date.
I don’t disagree that this is a great game in the making, but let’s be realistic. This is the THIRD bowl our 2 teams have played against each other. TCU should be playing in the NCG and BSU should be playing Cincy or Iowa.
We’re just the red-headed stepchildren in CFB. This isn’t “whining” or “complaining”. It’s called justification. The VAST majority of posts I’ve seen on other websites (ESPN, CBSSportsline.com, CFN forums and TSN) are pissed about this match-up. The majority of posts also believe there was some colusion in play in the bowl selections.
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 7, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
name those ten teams
name those teams and then you’ve got a case. until your AD names those teams, he didn’t contact anybody worth playing anyway. we both know this.
i really don’t care what other website have posted. your fallacious appeal to authority doesn’t do much for me. these people write stories to get traffic. that often includes “controversial” points of view.
what sort of collusion/conspiracy juice are you people drinking? the bcs is an advertising driven corporation that can do whatever the hell they want. by their charter, they don’t even have to invite the broncos to a bowl game. do you really think they did so because they care about us 1.3 million folks who live in idaho? no, they did it to make money from a “controversial” second tier national championship game. if bsu feels they really got screwed and are being exploited, they shouldn’t go. i’d bet they take the money and shut up about it.
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by themanthemyth on Dec 7, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...so I suppose that ESPN reporting about it and basically calling out the collective BCS teams doesn't mean a thing?
I’ve heard that the Nebraska Pres/AD (can’t remember which) called out BSU for not playing a tough enough schedule. Yet Nebraska is one of the teams with a corresponding date that turned BSU down.
But whatever…you’re just another kool-aid drinking BCS homer, I bet.
I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!
by BSUFlyboy on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you think espn is real journalism i suppose you enjoy the statesman, too
its this simple: if nebraska refused to play bsu, your ad needs to call them out. until he does, it never happened. if he had called NE for a game and then they commented on your weak schedule, why wouldn’t he?
you need to realize that the bcs pretty much screws over most schools in terms of competition, not just bsu.
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by themanthemyth on Dec 7, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
does naming those ten teams really matter?
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that those ten teams are teams that don’t matter, or that the real number of teams is zero…..
Boise State has an open date, and is looking for a big time opponent to play—at their house with no guarantees.
Has anyone come forward to host us?? Have the local booster groups looked at their home schedules and asked to bring Boise State in?? I saw some chatter from the Nebraska fan site, but nothing concrete.
All of the reasons we didn’t do one and done games are off the table. Every AD/fan/head coach who thinks the Broncos are overrated has a window to shut them up.
If we don’t see a deal in the off season for a game in 2011, it would suggest that the big boys don’t really want to play the Broncos.
If we do… then the comment worked.
by ElPepeGrande on Dec 7, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Feldman said he saw the list of teams.
ESPN said themselves that they were working in conjunction with BSU to land a big early October matchup for the Broncos against an elite BCS opponent. So far (that’s the key phrase here) there are no takers.
Bruce Feldman said he saw the list of teams and it was full of Top 10 names.
Regardless of whether there is a list or not. Boise State has been turned down for years by high level BCS teams.
Here’s Tom Osborne’s response to a fans request to play BSU on that open date.
Since this response it has been announced that Nebraska and Boise State are negotiating for a home and home series, beyond 2011.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the update
Good information that I had not seen.
by ElPepeGrande on Dec 8, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It’s not about the ranking of the teams, it’s about the national perception of the BCS teams. No matter how high Boise State or TCU is ranked, we’re still stuck with this stigma of being a non-BCS team. Everyone says Boise State needs to play more BCS teams to prove themselves. This was supposed to be an opportunity to do that.
"Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish."
by Dr. Jrig on Dec 7, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bcs teams
its not about perception or a stigma. bsu isn’t a bcs team and didn’t even have to be included. they should have been and were, to the credit of the bcs. the bcs doesn’t owe any team anything and boise state fans need to grow up and realize this.
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by themanthemyth on Dec 7, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not What the BCS Owes Us
It’s that there shouldn’t be a BCS. There should be playoffs. The BCS system is designed to protect certain interests, primarily the bowl system and those who make money off it. It seems strange for an Iowa fan to be supportive of the current system, since even if the Hawkeyes had gone undefeated, they still wouldn’t be playing in the championship game. If you want a playoff system, but your main point is that the BCS system is the system we have, so we can’t complain . . . well, we may not get playoffs by complaining, but we’re certainly not going to get playoffs without complaining.
by marktgarten on Dec 7, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a fan of the current system
but i also don’t think an undefeated iowa would have been a nc caliber team, so maybe that is where we differ. i just get really tired of the same “its all about money”, “we don’t get any respect”, “they’re all afraid of us” lines. what good does it do?
tcu is a great opportunity for bsu. i would have much rather an iowa vs. bsu game but real football fans will take notice if the broncos beat tcu this year. there is way more on the line in this game than a game vs. iowa or ga tech.
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by themanthemyth on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't an undefeated Iowa be a NC caliber team?
Such questions should be answered on the field, not on a ballot or the result of a computer program.
Yes, TCU is a great opportunity. Maybe if the Broncos play their best game of the season, Bronco Nation gets some revenge for last year’s loss. Most people around here think that TCU is a bigger challenge that Iowa, or at least that BSU matched up better against Iowa. And real fans may think that beating TCU would be a greater accomplishment than beating Iowa or Ga Tech. But there’s a whole lot of people who don’t see it that way at all, who think that beating Indiana is more important that BYU, just because Indiana’s in the Big 10.
Well, ,maybe it doesn’t matter too much. I’m happy to be going to Glendale again, and already have my tix and travel and hotel accommodations figured out. Some might say I’m a sucker, but I gotta root for my team, no matter what.
Good luck in your team’s bowl
Also, nice signature.
by marktgarten on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
glendale in january?
hardly makes you a sucker. i thought last year’s game between bsu and tcu was amazing and i’d expect this year to be just as good or better. good luck to you all as well.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Dec 7, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little disappointed
I am excited we received a BCS bid and our players & coaches will be rewarded for their dedication & excellence. I was excited to hear we received a Fiesta invite as opposed to Orange or Sugar (Im guessing more fans are willing to travel to Arizona rather than Louisiana or Florida). I am excited that we’re playing a quality, undefeated opponent.
However, I’m a little disappointed that we’re playing TCU in a rematch of last year’s Poinsettia Bowl. I’m not really sure what BSU and TCU can ‘prove’ by playing each other (again). I was hoping for BSU vs Iowa/Penn St and TCU vs Ga Tech/Florida so we could both have a chance to play the “big boys”. I dont know if the BCS did this on purpose to “protect” itself and “BCS teams” or if they were truly trying to get the best match up (#4 vs #6 – both undefeated).
Regardless, it kinda feels like we were invited to dinner but told we’ll be sitting at the kiddie table.. At least we get dinner right?
by Drofdarb23 on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cop out!!
I posted this over on CBS…I am a Georgia fan, but I love watching the Broncos.
I agree, the TCU/Boise matchup is a total cop out! I was looking forward to seeing both these teams playing what the talking heads consider the top tier teams.
What bothers me is the fact that Boise State has been trying to schedule top tier teams and they refuse to play Boise. I’m sure TCU will get this treatment in the future if they have not already received it…not sure if TCU has or not, but I know Boise has because some ESPN analyst let it slip out. So, how can Boise or TCU be punished at the end of the season if teams refuse to play them?
The only way teams like Boise, TCU, Utah and the rest will get any respect is to start changing/realigning conferences. I think Boise State and Fresno should leave the WAC and Join the Mountain West Conference and Houston should leave Conference USA and join the Mountain West. That would give the Mountain West 12 teams and they could have there own Conference championship game. The Mountain West could also drop some of the current sub par teams in the conference and take more competitive teams…Something needs to be done, we all know that college football has become more competitive because athletes do not want to sit the bench for two or three years so they end up going to what is perceived as lower tier teams.
I don’t think conferences should drop Universities. But that is the example the BCS in my eyes is setting to the perceived weaker conferences. If Boise or TCU, just using examples from this season, go undefeated it means nothing. So, the example to me that is being made is that these teams need to improve there conference opponents and the only way of doing that is for the top tier teams of the Mountain West to stay there and add the teams I mentioned as well as maybe dropping some of the weaker teams to replace with mid level teams. I also should clarify, when I say drop I don’t mean drop, I mean teams switching conferences…
Much like what happened between the ACC and Big East when VT, Miami, and BC left for the ACC and the Big East added Cincinnati, South Florida, and Louisville…Also, the Big East dropped Temple, so a conference can and will do it…It was said that Temple did this voluntarily though. I know there was technically no conference forcing the teams out though. I’m just kinda thinking out loud on how the perceived weaker teams can become viable/worthy of the BCS.
I think a University should be allowed to turn other teams down, but as was stated by the ESPN commentator Boise would not release which teams turned them down out of respect or some NCAA rule I cant remember which…Boise according to this commentator even went as far as to agreeing to travel to the opponents stadium and not wanting a game in return at Boise at a later date. So, again I ask…What are teams like Boise and TCU suppose to do?
I still think Boise and Fresno should leave the WAC and Join the Mountain West. Then Houston should leave Conference USA and join the Mountain West. That gives the Mountain West 12 Teams and a Conference championship at the end of the season. I think this would benefit the schools mentioned as well as the Mountain West. I know this puts the WAC and Conference USA out in the cold, but the WAC and Conference USA could add teams and do some more realignment.
Could you imagine the Mountain West adding Boise, Fresno, and Houston. Fresno would not have to travel all over the country anymore. That would make the Mountain West a solid conference overnight. If you just added these three schools and left the rest of the Mountain West unchanged the conference would still be legit to the fans and the lame @ss BCS…
Or take TCU, BYU, and Houston and add them to the WAC…Hell, it doesnt matter to me which conference, I’m just a college football fan and think it would be great!
The fact remains that these schools need to realize that they need to start making sure they are in a percieved strong enough conference to be viable in the eyes of the media and the BCS. So, the only solution is for these schools to start looking at realigning which teams are in there conference and the quality of conference opponents within that conference…That is what the BCS is telling them and I think it sucks, but that is what is going to have to be done.
by goatrabbit on Dec 7, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Big Boys are Shaking in their Boots
I personally think that the big boys of the sec and acc didn’t want their precious boys to get trounced by little teams like bsu a tcu. I know we could beat any of the top 3 teams. Well it just goes to show that money really does make the football world go ‘round. As a Bronco fan, I like tcu and respect what they have done. The critics pick our schedules apart and the big boys don’t want another Utah over bama or boise over oK. I understand that. But it will show our 2 teams are better when even without all funding the sec acc big10 big12 have over us and we can still compete with them. I hope both teams put on a good show and may the best team win.
by tredog500r on Dec 7, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Look at it this way.
At least both Boise State and TCU can now claim that BCS teams are avoiding them.
Even if it isn’t true, it appears so. And perception my friends, is reality.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 7, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still want to know where the other $25million goes.
TCU/MWC gets 9-10…Boise/WAC gets 4-5…the BCS conferences still get 25 mil without sending a team….
Wasn't it Boise State's first game of the year, too???
by TheShrewdOne on Dec 7, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Throwing us a bone.
At least it is a large bone with some meat on it.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Read
This doesn’t tell how much the individual bowls pay out, but it shows who gets what.
BCS Revenue Sharing Breakdown: http://www.bcsfootball.org/cfb/story/10297120
Snapshot:
$19.3 million — non-AQ conferences
$17.8 million — each AQ conference
$4.5 million — each conference with a second team in the BCS (in addition to the $17.8 million above)
$1.8 million — Football Championship Subdivision conferences
$1.3 million — Notre Dame
$0.2 million — Army and Navy
Notice that they do not clarify that the $19.3M for non-AQs is split between 5 conferences (54 teams) while the $17.8M for AQs is per conference (10-12 teams max).
Also notice that Notre Dame gets $1.3M for absolutely nothing. Might be nice.
by casketbase on Dec 7, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it.
We are playing the #4 team in the country. We are ranked #6, seems fair to me.
Our opponent is arbitrary and I hope the players do not read some of this dribble.
The coaches and players are already champions, just enjoy the ride.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Dec 7, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Drivel, not dribble. But I agree.
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
by Mikrino on Dec 7, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are calling TCU vs. BSU the Non-BCS National Championship Game.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Dec 7, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Which is like kissing your sister through a screen door
tvmunson
by tmunson on Dec 7, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've Also Heard . . .
“The Battle of Who Could Care Less”
by casketbase on Dec 7, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or the 'separate but equal bowl'
This is national TV. So don't pick your noses or scratch your nuts.
by joe bob priddy on Dec 8, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, this is all a little lame
Thinking TCU and us should have played against Iowa or Georgia Tech means you totally buy into the BCS-think that major-conference schools are better than the top mid-majors. We both get to play an undefeated, top-6 team instead of a two loss, lower ranked team.
The only thing this won’t help us with is dumb blog arguments with fans of major schools. In terms of getting the best opponent, the best game, and the best chance to impress everyone who has moved on from the “ahh man, playing BSU is no win: either we lose, or get no respect” stage (hint: the only people who think you get no respect from beating BSU are morons).
I could see TCU wishing they had played Cincinati, which was a possibility, but after the Fiesta Bowl picked TCU with their first pick (another good sign for mid-majors overall) it was pretty much guaranteed we were getting a TCU-BSU matchup. This isn’t a conspiracy, its the Fiesta Bowl preferring TCU to Iowa, plain and simple. And that isn’t a bad thing.
So, ya, complaining about this just subtly feeds into the anti-mid-major bias of those who won’t be convinced either way. Beating TCU will better position BSU for next year than it would have to beat Iowa.
by killtacular on Dec 7, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, this is it. I'm saying my peace on this subject (in this thread anyways)
The more I think about it, this is a great opportunity to springboard us if we win into next season. If TCU and Boise State were to both win BCS games, we’d be ranked behind them next year and they’d be in the driver’s seat. We’d have to wait for them to lose.
The only thing that disappoints me is that TCU and Boise State are both vying for the same thing, equality. The BCS has already forced us to root against each other since only one of us can get an automatic bid. When we defied the odds and grabbed an at large bid, they now pitted us against each other and forced us to root against each other again.
My heart is disappointed by the matchup since I would have loved to see us both win BCS bowl games and progress mid majors further in the future. My head says this is the best opportunity to position Boise State for next season if they can win. My head also tells me to worry cause I believe TCU is the best team in football right now and I wanted no part of them.
by Nick Kroes on Dec 7, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs















