What could have been: How Kellen Moore stacks up against Heisman finalists
by Kevan Lee on Dec 11, 2009 7:51 AM PST
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PrintThe 2009 Heisman Trophy ceremony will take place tomorrow night sans perhaps the nation's best player in Boise State quarterback Kellen Moore. Score update: College football 13, Rationality 0.
How does Moore compare to the New York-bound Heisman Trophy finalists? Join me after the jump for a comparison, and share your Heisman vote in the comments.
Tim Tebow
College football's BFF was predestined to find his way to New York for this year's Heisman ceremony. Tebow's numbers might not back up his candidacy (3.8 yards per carry, 18 TD passes), but his overwhelming charisma does the trick.
What Kellen Moore could beat him at: Passing TDs, QB efficiency rating, wins, consistency, left-handed throwing contests, audibles, undefeated regular seasons, Mark Johnson popularity contest
What he could beat Kellen Moore at: crying, man pheromones, Heisman trophies, national championships, concussions, magazine covers, girlfriend hyperbole, Jesus popularity contest
Colt McCoy
McCoy might be the front-runner in one of the tightest Heisman races in history, due solely to his not receiving the award last year. The Texas QB had a stellar 2008, followed up by a hit-or-miss 2009 (including a 20-for-36, 3 INT championship game). Fortunately for him, he has lazy, misinformed sports journalists on his side.
What Kellen Moore could beat him at: passing TDs, QB efficiency rating, grasp of clock rules, fewer 3-INT games, Sports Illustrated features about pluckiness, text messages to Case Keenum
What he could beat Kellen Moore at: running the read option, throwing to Jordan Shipley, number of babies in the Texas area named after him, pictures with football sledgehammers
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Mark Ingram
Ingram is the driving force of the No. 1 team in the country, which will pretty much guarantee you some Heisman votes every single time. His 1,500 yards and 15 TDs aren't lights out, but when you're the leader of the national championship favorites, they don't have to be.
What Kellen Moore could beat him at: percentage of team's total offense, recovered fumbles from center, average margin of victory over conference opponent, intimate knowledge of Nevada's secondary, staring contest
What he could beat Kellen Moore at: Running with the ball, poll ranking, national championship game appearances, fathers who played in the NFL, 100-yard games against Chattanooga
Toby Gerhart
Gerhart's numbers (1,700 yards, 26 TDs) dwarf those of Ingram, but the one thing hurting Gerhart's candidacy the most is that Stanford did not win its conference. Can a player win the Heisman by playing on an above average Pac-10 team?
What Kellen Moore could beat him at: wins, undefeated regular seasons, conference championships, BCS ranking, ESP, inspiring an entire region with his QB play, times described as "not prototypical"
What he could beat Kellen Moore at: baseball, TD runs, stiff arms, comparisons to John Riggins, future Snapple endorsements
Ndamukong Suh
Nebraska's dominating defensive tackle worked his way into Heisman consideration with a Big XII championship game for the ages. The road is tough for a defensive Heisman candidate. Does Suh's resume warrant a Charles Woodson-type honor?
What Kellen Moore could beat him at: maybe a foot race, name pronunciation, conference championships, not losing to Iowa State
What he could beat Kellen Moore at: arm wrestling, feats of strength, NFL draft position, girth
The official vote of OBNUG, which is not really all that official
The Heisman Trophy seeks to award the "most outstanding college football player" in the country. With that in mind, Tebow and McCoy are out, more linemen should be in, and the decision between Gerhart, Ingram, and Suh is a tough one. I'll go with Suh because he found a way to have an impact despite constant double- and triple-teams. I wouldn't be upset if either Ingram or Gerhart won it, though.
Your turn
Who do you think will win the Heisman on Saturday? Will you be watching? Will Kellen Moore get a New York invite before his career is up? Leave your thoughts in the comments.
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Ugg.
It makes me sick that any OBNUGgers would vote for Ingram. He isn’t even the best RB in the SEC. He has had 3 games will less than 60 yards rushing (no, Kirk Herbstriet, only one of them was due to injury). You can’t even say he carried his team to the NC because he didn’t. He rushed his best against lowly schools and Florida. The other times, McElroy upped his game to win.
Compare Gerhart and Ingram side by side, there is no question.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
I voted for Ingram, ...
but only because the question asks “Who will win the 2009 Heisman Trophy?”, and I really think he will end up with it. I think the reason for this is that Colt McCoy will take too many votes away from Suh and Gerhart, who should be #1 and #2 in some order on every ballot. Neither has had the team success of Ingram, which should matter a little, but both have consistently been the most outstanding player on the field in nearly every one of their games.
Remember
The question is “Who will win the 2009 Heisman Trophy” not Who do you WANT to win.
"Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish."
Gotcha.
My bad. But it just goes to show that the Heisman is more like a high school election than who is the best player. It’s all about popularity and name recognition.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
That's for sure
That explains the only reason Tim Tebow gets a NYC trip. I’m not a Tebow hater like a lot of people but he has no business being in the Heisman race still.
Kellen Moore better be on the pre-season Heisman radar at the beginning of next season. If he’s not I’m going to rebel. Maybe rebel is a bit dramatic. I’ll probably just complain a lot.
"Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish."
If you can play your way into the Heisman favorite position, like McCoy did against TAMU, then why can’t he play his way out of it like he did against Neb? McCoy threw as many or more INTs as TDs 4 times this season.
Did I mention Kellen Moore has only thrown 3 INTs all year. That’s 13 games, 3 INTs. McCoy had 4 through the first 3 games and threw 3 in one game.
Ingram with 3 games below 60 yds cannot be taken seriously, can he? In his biggest rivaly game of the year, Auburn, what does he do? 16 carries, 30 yds 0 TDs. Sorry Ingram, you’re out.
Have I mentioned that Kellen Moore only threw 3 INTs all season long? Oh, I did. Well he also had 39 TDs. 8 More than Tebow. 9 more than McCoy.
Tim Tebow has Jesus on his side so this one is going to be tough, but here goes. Career starter lows for him this year in passing yds, completions, and TDs (by 11 TDs!). I’ve said it no less than 100 times on here and on Twitter, this isn’t named the Tim Tebow Lifetime Achievement Award. Sorry Jesus and Tim, no Heisman for you.
I have absolutely no problem with Gerhardt. His lowest output of the year is 82 yds. Only 2 games all year under 100 yds. 26 TDs. Yes, his team has 4 losses, and yes his coach is kind of a homer (e.g.: him ranking Stanford #12 ranking in the coaches poll), but Gerhardt is solid. No issues with him getting it.
Suh is a BEAST and I’m afraid he’ll sack me (or worse) if I don’t vote for him. In my opinion he is the most dominating defensive player I have ever seen. Ladies and Gentlemen: Ndomukong Suh, 2009 Heisman Trophy Winner!
P.S.: Kellen Moore leads the nation in passing efficiency AND he has -4 yds rushing on the year. I think that’s pretty good for him! At least worthy of an invitation, right?
by MooreWalksOnWater on Dec 11, 2009 8:45 AM PST reply actions
IDK..
Kellen seems pretty tight with Jesus too. and the football sledge hammer picture im sure Crissie could take care of that. Name pronunciation Kellen UnoUno. Still no where close to Ndamukong. Kellen would probably make a good Southpaw starter. I’m sure he’d be welcomed at the club baseball team. That gives him an edge over all four of them hands down. Ingram dont know yet….
1. Ingram 2. Gerhart 3. Suh
I think people are sick of Tebow (me included) and Colt. Better for Moore not to be in the hunt this year, QB will not win it.
by BSU Alumni stranded in Portland on Dec 11, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions
Colt McCoy wins
the lifetime achievement award
We do not take counsel of our fears, our naysayers, or the unknown
Coach Pete January 1, 2007
Heisman Voting
I was listeing to Mike and Mike this morning and Greeny really impressed me today. He said that a number of years ago he was approached and asked if he would like to be a Heisman voter. He turned down the opportunity because he said a voter should watch a lot more college football then he does.
Unfortunately we don’t see that very often anymore. Most times if you get to be a big shot making huge decisions people jump at that. Glad to see that some people don’t have huge inflated egos. But unfortunately more people do then don’t. That’s why McCoy “won” all those awards this year and he and Tebow are going to New York. Same reason Gerhart won’t win (although I think he should) and more then likely Ingram will because he “let his team to a national title.” Does anyone know when the award turned into the award for the “best” player on a really good team? I thought it was the best football player in the nation?
by givemesomemoore on Dec 11, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions
I actually disagree.
To my knowledge, there haven’t been many past Heisman controversies, when college football games weren’t as accessible on TV as they are now. Before, they based candidacy from what they read in the paper, the statistical information that was readily available to them.
Were statistics the only resource available to many voters, they would not have Tebow or Ingram in this Heisman race.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
just voted
for who should get it, rather than who will.
And that is Suh. Anytime an interior defensive lineman can be that dominating, and that integral to your teams success, he beats everyone. Including Kellen Moore :).
If Tebow and McCoy get an invite this year for their career accomplishments, by next year, Kellen should have a career to rival that, right?
Kellen doesn't have a plaque.
…yet.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
I think
it’ll take another year if its just based upon career accomplishments, but as a senior Kellen should break the record McCoy set this year for career (QB) wins, assuming BSU continues as they have been doing for the next two years.
Kellen Moore over Tebow or McCoy
I’d have put both Dalton and Moore ahead of those two this year. They are there by dint of former glory. More proof of the system of ehtitlement in college football.
So, Moore would be on my ballot, but I’d probably vote for Ingraham because BSU could win out without Moore—they’d find a replacement QB who was efficient enough. Ingraham has propelled Alabama when they were dogging it, and often against defenses stacked to defeat him specifically.
Sorry Broncos, but schedule matters.
by Nevaduck on Dec 12, 2009 11:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions
so BSU needs a schedule more like Florida's or Alabama's?
Alabama: Va Tech, that’s pretty good – oh, Fla Int’l, N. Texas, Chattanooga.
Texas: La-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, Central Fla.
Florida: Charleston So., Troy, there’s Fla Int’l again…Florida St., I guess they’re not as good as they used to be…
Those non-conf schedules don’t seem much more difficult than BSU’s…oh wait, Alabama, Texas and Florida are in BCS conferences. What you mean to say is that conference matters. Well, BSU can’t help the conference they’re in, all they can do is beat whoever they play.
by hummerofdoom on Dec 12, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Amen
Boise is clearly afraid of joining even the Mountain West, or they would actually make a push for it. They’re clearly content to play one legitimate game a season, usually in the first 2-3 weeks where their usual experience advantage — after all, it’s not like someone from Boise is going pro early — has the most effect, then plays 10 cupcakes and bitches about lack of respect.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Dec 15, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Good research.
It’s pretty obvious you’re just now trolling OBNUG in pretty pathetic attempts to try and get a rise out of our fanbase. Luckily, we don’t need to rely on those types of things to get excited. We actually have a good football team.
But, while I’m publicly mocking you, I might as well educate you that our athletic director has sent personal letters to all 9 Mountain West conference presidents and the Conference commissioner requesting inclusion into their conference. P.S. This was 2 years ago, long before you had your so called “epiphany.”
Please, find something else ridiculous to post about. We enjoy hopeless causes. After all, we’ve recently been playing in the BCS for longer than you have.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
Boise State lobbied for inclusion into the MWC in 2005.
The MWC added TCU instead.
The Broncos OOC Schedule is comparative to any FBS school. It’s their conference counterparts that bring them down. Should Boise State refuse to play them?
Meanwhile, on the other side of town…
Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.)
Does it frustrate Boise fans that, after the biggest win in program history, the athletic department spoiled it by scheduling Miami (Ohio), Bowling Green, and UC Davis?
Don't flatter yourself too much.
Beating Oregon was not the biggest win in program history. It may have been the biggest home victory since joining the WAC but there have been several victories with more significance and value to the program.
Does it frustrate you so much that in the past 2 years you would have only finished 2nd in the WAC?
Does it frustrate you that no one takes your bait when you try to taint other blogs?
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
...several years ago?
Hasn’t everyone been briefed on how far in advance these games are scheduled? Sheesh.
by hummerofdoom on Dec 12, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
The Oklahoma win was the biggest.
That finally validated Boise’s win record as legitimate in the eyes of most people.
by David Hooper on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
or link
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We do not take counsel of our fears, our naysayers, or the unknown
Coach Pete January 1, 2007
Idiots like Beano Cook
I heard Beano Cook while I was in the car last night. He said he voted McCoy, Ingram, then Tebow. That’s ok, but he said that he ranked Tebow 3rd ONLY because he thought that Tebow was being punished for the game against Alabama. He thought that Gerhart deserved it more, but he wanted to prove a point.
I know Beano’s not the only idiot with a vote, because if you had 10-20 more people that voted Tebow a consolation vote, Gerhart would have won the Heisman.
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
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