Your arguments are irrelevant because they were made earlier today and it is now later today and so much has changed.

Well done, Nick. I’m a fan of No. 3. What team IS the same from Week One? I mean, besides NMSU.

Since we have no reason to need to be ranked higher than Oregon, I hope they jump Boise State and climb as high as possible. The best chance for Boise State to be national champions is for teams to lose and Oregon move up to the top 2 teams, WIN the NC game and have the AP voters vote BSU #1 after they win their BCS game. Even if that doesn’t happen, it would prove the system is broken and all hell would break loose. You thought there was controversy after Utah’s Sugar Bowl win? Try Oregon winning the NC game and BSU being undefeated winning a BCS bowl having beaten Oregon. It would have been like Florida’s 1 loss coming to Utah instead of Ole Miss last year and then Florida going on to win the NC and Utah the Sugar Bowl. Holy crap, I can just picture BCS officials kissing their own butts goodbye and saying “we had a good run”

Loved your post!

Why is it that every time Boise State beats a BCS team there is a “reason” that the BCS team lost? “They were having a down year”… “The star players were injured”…blah blah blah. Why can’t they just say “Boise State is the better team”?

There is really no incentive right now to play those teams, so why even schedule them? I’m sure that next year when BSU beats Va Tech and Oregon State that all we will hear is excuses and no respect. Even if 4 or 5 BCS teams were on their schedule they would probably be ridiculed for finding the BCS bottom dwellers. Simply insane!

perfect-you nailed it.

Here’s another tid-bid I havent heard anybody talking about. We played Oregon’s defense when their best players were healthy and on the depth chart (TJ Ward & Walter Thurmond III). Other teams have been fortunate enough to play the Ducks with out TJ Ward (injured in the 3rd or 4th qtr of our game and subsequently missed 4-5 weeks (I think)) and/or Walter Thurmond III ( their best corner who blew his knee returning a kick against Cal (I believe)). For as good as their defense has been playing (since the Cal game anyway), we faced their most talented & experienced defense they had this year. Something none of Oregon’s other 7 opponents can say.

did not get a 1st down until more than 8 minutes hahd elapsed in the 3rd quarter. either Caves or Prater said something about Oreogn forcing turnovers; only “forced” trunover was Brokel’s fumble-rest were Bronco giveups. Even Oregon fans conceded game should have been 40-8. By the way how many goose-egg quarters has the Bronco D registered? 3 more last weekend.

We had 9 months of if woulda-coulda-shoulda-willa-killa from Oregon on this very blogsite and over at ATQ. We hashed over prospectively every nitpicking detail. Game played; how much more of a comprehensive stomp out could one witness? And now we’re back to this. It’s like the Indians having to argue over who won the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

Most of the time team matchup arguments are theoretical; this argument is so stupid it makes one sputter. 9 months Oregon had; you can get a new human in that time. 9 months of hearing abotu the wizardry of Kelly, the wonders of Masoli, Lagarrotte as the Second Coming. And then-the Broncos did everything but make them squeal “soooooiee” in their tighty-whiteys while bending over a log. In fact, Bobbie only got in one orifce; Ducks took it there and in the ear, nose and throat on national television and tossed in a bezerko meltdown that let everyone go all moral about sportsmanship for the better part of a month. That game nearly destroyed their program and NOW WE"RE HEARING THIS? AM I GOING NUTS!

My son is in corvallis and if I read it and am over there I could go off

having sex with a woman and then finding out she’s telling her friends she turned you down when you asked for a date. Ok I’ll quit and go get my Zanax IV hooked up

This is Munson’s psychiatirst. He’s under sedation right now and is completely unconcscious. We thought it best to induce this. Apparently he reread a Sports Illustrated article where the Oreogn Duck players were talking about how they were going to show the Broncos where the bear s*** in the forest. The current debate over who is the better team has totally shortcircuited his already fairly demented mind. There is a very strong likelihood of recovery which is not necessarily a good thing.

First of all, Great post. It had all the facts and it was correct.
Second of all; I’d like to say congratulations for beating Oregon.
I think it would be awesome if you guys joined a conference that was tough in-and-out every week. But really, I look at your schedule; and I see you guys beating mediocre teams, and their total is 34 Loses 21 Wins.

Now I have a feeling you guys might say something like: Well what’s Oregon’s opponents combined record? It’s 27 Loses 26 Wins, and that gets screwed up by WSU, Which shouldn’t be playing in the Pac-10.
Of course the “excuse” is strength of schedule! It’s true.

Turns out we didnt win WWII after all. Please report to your nearst post office to pick up your German?English dictionaries, ration books and ID’s. For those of you who are Jewish, I have some especailly bad news.

No matter what Boise State has done, did, or will ever do will ever be good enough.

Hey Oregon fans, did you know what beating Virginia on the road is a much greater accomplishment than beating the Ducks for two straight years? That’s right, even William and Mary now considered a better football team than Oregon because of this unknown rule. So go ahead and keep telling the rest of the country how shitty of a team Boise State is. Everytime you do, you make yourself and the rest of the PAC-10 look even shittier.

it’s formulas and polls. Justice will never be served in the current format. I have to defend BSU at every turn. Every pac-10 foe comes on our blogs and laughs at our loss to BSU.

I tell them the following: we lost to a very good BSU football team. They scoff. Of course, I have no idea why UW and UCLA have anything to brag about but they do.

BSU is BCS worthy. However, the problem is that you have no ability to prove it. This year the national perception is that we layed a big fat egg in Boise.

The fact of the matter is that OREGON has more respect for BSU than anyone else in the nation. The problem: most of the country doesn’t see it our way.

is discussing Oregon’s ability to jump BSU in the BCS and how we could get in the NC game…

Here it is…

The Broncos by all accounts have throttled the Ducks 2 years in a row. Neither game was in doubt for more than 5 mins. At the end of the day the fact the Broncos have beaten Oregon this year will never change. Oregon supporters will live with that fact the rest of this season and seasons to come. As a Bronco Fan that fact brings a big smile to my face.

if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. i think he might make oregon’s offense lose it’s chemistry. stanford has had two weeks to prepare for this game. their coach is probably going to run toby g. as many times as possible. the line has stayed steady at 6 points. should be interesting game.

These points are all valid and well thought out. And frankly I really hope for the health of tmunson, you NEVER write one again! :)

As I said in another post of Kevan’s, I really have to feel for you. I can’t begin to know how this feels to all of the BSU fan base. You beat Oregon, twice and have nothing to show for it. It is sad that you are having great success (channelling my inner Borat there…) and cannot sit back and enjoy it without the whole rankings issue raining on your parade. You could argue all of these points again until you were as blue in the face as the field you play on, and it wouldn’t change a thing. And as I said…for the quality of your health, you might just let it be.

The system is flawed and it will be until BSU is in a BCS conference (where they belong) or there is a playoff system. It is unfortunate, but with the schedule you face in the WAC, you are at a steep uphill battle until anything changes. Sad as it is, it is the truth.

The system is based on money. The little guys (in a manner of fanbases/alumni/enrollment, not football) will always get the shaft over money. As a CFB fan, I would much rather watch a team such as BSU play the likes of Texas, Florida, Alabama, ect. I think BSU has earned the chance, but its not about what the fans want. Its all about the Benjamins.

Cexeko – As an Oregon fan, I have not heard one person say anything about how “shitty” BSU is. I can only assume that you are talking to other Oregon fans, but by all accounts, Oregon fans who say that have NO idea what they are talking about.

Guys, Oregon is not going to the NC game. Boise State is also not going to the NC game. Neither of them will deserve it if any two of Florida/Alabama, Texas, TCU, Iowa or Cincy win out. I’m truly sorry about that in Boise’s case, but it’s the harsh reality of the teams you’ve got to face. I’m perfectly fine with my Ducks not going to the championship.

I can’t take it when my favorite and second-favorite teams fight. Can’t we put down the animosity and agree to unite as one fanbase against the SEC? Seriously. Those guys are jackholes.

Based on that poll and the results at my poll at BCS evolution, the polls will slit 2:1 in Boise State’s favor if both continue to win.

The computers are less kind.

Do we want a National Championship? Or a BCS bowl?

I think that after week 9, it’s finally time to decide what you want and set your heart on that and nothing else.

If it’s a National Championship you want, then you will be wanting everyone ahead of us and a few behind us to lose.

If it’s a BCS bowl you want, you will want the current leader in the Big 6 conferences to win out, competitors for runners up in the Big 6 conferences and Notre Dame to lose their at-large bids, and for TCU to lose against their soft, but overly hyped, schedule. As ridiculous as it is to see Oregon ahead of Boise, in this scenario, they can be with ease.

Right now, I’m shooting for just a BCS bowl. I always thought it would be nice if the perfect storm happened. But with recent drops and only 5 weeks to go, I think it’s time to recognize reality.

The head of Las Vegas Sports Consultants was on the radio here in Vegas on Tues. They set the lines for the casinos. He was making the case for Oregon to be ranked above Boise, even saying he would make Oregon a 3 pt favorite. I asked him what the statute of limitation is on head to head match-ups (because I had just got your Tweet earlier. Thanks, OBNUG!). His reply was “one week”. The hosts of the show and myself screamed at him in unison: “What’s the point of playing any regular season games then!?!” I told him to just make a poll that just ranks his 25 favorite teams before the season and put a bow on it. No point in playing a regular season when you have ZERO value for head to head match-ups.

is quoted on Scott Slant replying to soem Oregon guy who said the Oregon “needed to get up” fo r3 or 4 Pac-10 teams. Pat said whao were they getting up for on sept3-it was the season opener.Remember “the oldest saying” in football-“that’s why they play the game”. These assholes have turned that on its head.

PLAYOFF.

… if voters keep them ranked behind Boise and the NC game is in reach?

This is definitely a kick-ass post, with outstanding points, and should be required reading for all the wack-job commentators at ESPN (except Lou Holtz). No team in college football maintains the same level of play throughout an entire season. Good teams get better, bad teams go in the opposite direction. The Ducks AND the Broncos have both improved as the season has progressed. The most logical point of comparison is their head-to-head matchup in September. End of story.

That game was huge to Oregon; they were unprepared, outplayed, and were embarrased. When you beat someone, it has to count for something.

If they played again now? Who knows, have to play the game to know.

Historically, Oregon is a slow starter; but it was Boise’s first game too. All first game kinks, foibles, and issues apply to both teams equally.

Be interesting to see if BSU got and won a BCS bid how this would play out. Say both teams win out and get BCS bids, if both teams win, what would everyone say then?

Head to head has to count for something, and if they want to say they are the better team they have to show up for every game. One thing Boise always does: shows up prepared. Gotta respect that.

No one is ranking Oregon above Boise state after this loss to Stanford.

Oregon may an excellent case for why head-to-head shouldn’t determine the ranking and they got their wish, USC passed them in the Polls! Nice.