Cheer for BYU? Yuck!
I guess, if I have to…

It's like eating your vegetables. It will be a horrible experience, but in the end it may be good for you (or you may vomit from the flavor and texture).

I don't envy the Ginger Ale hangover that young man will have in the morning.

guess i finally have a reason to watch the mtn…. i feel dirty, and kind of dead inside.

Utah wins 34 to 27. If Utah loses and we play a Mt West team in a bowl game, we need to kill them.

I've had to hear about how much better BYU is at everything for so long from friends and relatives that it makes me want to vomit to have to cheer for them. Oh well, if you've never watched a Holy War game you're in for a good game. In my opinion, it's the most underrated rivalry in the country. Go Broncos! (still can't say go cougars)

That was "Mormon and Proud Bronco" not Bro, although I am one of those too.

Looks like they know how to have fun!!!
 
Ugh. BYU fans make me want to blow my brains out.

why all the hate for the MWC? I dream for the top WAC teams to join the MWC, and it become a BCS conference.
the WAC is just a weight around BSU's neck, half our teams should be division II. BSU has already reached the peek of what it can accomplish with the WAC.
If the big east can be a BCS conference, then so can a 12 team MWC with BSU, Nevada, Hawaii; and maybe steal Southern Methodist from C-USA so there can be an in-state rivalry game for TCU; and drop New Mexico
ah, it's fun to dream…

It is clear that the WAC is too lowly of a conference for the Broncs, but our "hate" (which I would consider more of a strong dislike) stems from their feelings toward us.

C'mon! Barring Utah and BYU's occasional moments above mediocrity, the Mountain West is pretty fucking terrible.
 
Move Boise State to the Pac 10, along with BYU, I guess, so that the conference can hold a championship game. God, I'd love to see BSU play Cal, Oregon, ASU, and USC in single season!!!

Yeah, but the PAC 10 isn't a realistic goal yet. Hopefully it will be in the future but not yet.

I don't think the pac 10 is appealing at all, USC is going to win it every year, their recruiting is ridiculous, they could split into 2 teams and probably place 1st and 2nd in the pac 10, because other than them, then pac 10 just isn't that good a great conference anymore, the Washington schools are going to be bad for a long time. why join a conference that is going to place out almost the same way every year?
whereas a 12 team MWC would have many teams right around the same level of BSU, it would be a much more fun and competitive conference, with different teams winning it every year. and If it were a BCS conference, teams like TCU, Fresno, SDSU, even the Nevada teams would instantly recruit better, they're already in/near talent-rich areas. it would be a very good conference, deeper then the pac 10, and possibly even better as a conference.

I don't think the pac 10 is appealing at all, USC is going to win it every year, their recruiting is ridiculous, they could split into 2 teams and probably place 1st and 2nd in the pac 10, because other than them, then pac 10 just isn't that great aconference anymore, the Washington schools are going to be bad for a long time. why join a conference that is going to place out almost the same way every year?
whereas a 12 team MWC would have many teams right around the same level of BSU, it would be a much more fun and competitive conference, with different teams winning it every year. and If it were a BCS conference, teams like TCU, Fresno, SDSU, even the Nevada teams would instantly recruit better, they're already in/near talent-rich areas. it would be a very good conference, deeper then the pac 10, and possibly even better as a conference.

I don't think the pac 10 is appealing at all, USC is going to win it every year, their recruiting is ridiculous, they could split into 2 teams and probably place 1st and 2nd in the pac 10, because other than them, then pac 10 just isn't that great a conference anymore, the Washington schools are going to be bad for a long time. why join a conference that is going to place out almost the same way every year?
whereas a 12 team MWC would have many teams right around the same level of BSU, it would be a much more fun and competitive conference, with different teams winning it every year. and If it were a BCS conference, teams like TCU, Fresno, SDSU, even the Nevada teams would instantly recruit better, they're already in/near talent-rich areas. it would be a very good conference, deeper then the pac 10, and possibly even better as a conference.

But, of that bunch, only BSU has amassed an eminent stature. In order to gain a consensus of respect, BSU needs to consistently play teams like USC.
 
And, to be fair…
 
The Pac 10 only sucks this year. Last year's Oregon team was a National Championship contender before Dennis Dixon's injury. Cal is in somewhat of a rebuilding/transition year. Arizona State also had a decent season and, although rivalry relegates me to a lifetime of hatred, Arizona's football program has a bright future under coach Stoops.
 
Aren't you interested in brighter competition than Nevada, Utah, and BYU? Boise State has grown up -let them be the men that they have become.

I agree for the most part that the MWC is the way to go for the Broncos right now. Although, you have to keep in mind that the strength and weakness of conferences can be subjective from year to year. There's been times when the MWC was down and the WAC was up. It was just a couple seasons ago the PAC 10 was arguably the best conference in football.
 
However, between the WACs ups and downs it hasn't effected Boise State. They dominate no matter what. Hopefully BSU can move on soon.

Don't get me wrong I agree. I want to see Boise State play bigger games week in and week out. For the most part it's the PAC 10 that disagrees with you.

There have been years that the top of the WAC was better than the top of the MWC. The main difference to me is the bowl arrangement. The fact that an undefeated and top-10 ranked WAC team is even mentioned with the H-Bowl and a 6-6 ACC team proves the need to move conferences. Even with the horrible TV contract.
A MWC conference with BSU, Tulsa and one of Nevada/Fresno /Rice /Houston would provide a conference with some good regional ties as well as some prime football recruiting territory.
I would be surprised if the MWC does not court BSU heavily this spring. The determination for a conference to earn a BCS bid resides with the "current" members of the conference and their last several years results in the BCS standings. If they hurry and get the Broncos, they can get credit for both the 2006 and 2008 seasons. (Probably missed out on 2004 already)
If the MWC becomes a BCS conference, it might be a more logical fit than the PAC-10

How serious is the talk about the MWC becoming a BCS conference? I've heard some chatter about it, but mostly from blogs.

If BSU wins another BCS bowl this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see a more accepting Pac 10.

I'm pretty sure any Boise State fan would like to see the Broncos move to a more competitive conference. Last I checked though, none are extending invites to Boise State.

The PAC-10 does not need BSU for BCS reasons or TV market or anyhting for that matter. The academics, facilities, geographic populous, and national fan base are not at a level where the PAC-10 would even sniff the Broncos right now.

I haven't seen it anywhere else, and I pretty much only read this blog. However, I am a poll geek and here is my take:
With conference additions it is very realistic for the MWC to get an automatice BCS bid starting in 2012. All teams from a conference will have their 2006 to 2009 seasons calculated based on their BCS standings. These performance standards include the BCS ranking of the conferences highest rated team and the number of conference teams in the final BCS top 25. The Mountain West would/should sell out by adding 'hot' teams like BSU, Tulsa and Hawaii.
Since the BCS can have up to 7 automatic qualifying conferences, they would not have to oust the ACC/Big East – But having a better performance standard than those conferences at the next evaluation period would force the hand of BCS officials.

True, but odd nonetheless considering they have Washington State, but it could be argued that they have pullman-moscow, Walla-Walla, and the Spokane-Post Falls areas give them better populous (?) and TV Market (?).

True, but odd nonetheless considering they have Washington State, but it could be argued that they have pullman-moscow, Walla-Walla, and the Spokane-Post Falls areas giving them better populous (?) and TV Market (?).

I know I've heard an analyst on ESPN mention how it's time for the MWC to be a BCS conference. I can't remember who it was though.
 
Personally, I like the prestige of most of the MWC teams. The Mountain West is so much more respected nationally year in and year out.
 
Maybe if the MWC became a BCS conference, the tv contract could be renegotiated sooner.

If Boise State has another cinderella season, the Pac 10 might be interested in a piece of the economic benefit…
 
The Pac 10 might also be interested in a 2-team addition so that the conference could establish a championship game. This would help to avoid co-champion situations and tie-breaker stipulations -like last year when USC and ASU shared the conference champion title.

My point, though, is that those other teams are garbage. They're often not even relevant -Fuck 'em. It's time to start playing with the big boys.

Yeah, but the PAC 10 has been adamant for years about not expanding. The only hype it gets is from bloggers and sportswriters wanting the conference to expand. It's not going to happen any time soon.
The commish for the MWC has at least been more open about possible expansion.

I guess…
 
I just don't understand the point of relocating to a conference that's just as shitty. And the idea of making the Mountain West a BCS conference is a pipe dream. The combined population of Idaho, Utah, and Nevada is only slightly larger than that of the Phoenix metropolitan area -the market isn't viable.

Yeah, Pullman, Corvallis and Eugene are not exactly booming metro areas. The current make up of the PAC-10 has been around a long time historically or were expanded well before money, TV and merchandising ruled the day.

I agree – Year to year I would say the MWC is only marginally better than the WAC in football. The idea is, if some of the top teams from the WAC and Conf USA join the new MWC would be much stronger. Even the bottom of the MWC would be much stronger than the bottom of the WAC.
Becoming a BCS conference is not determined based on population base (I explain it a little more in depth somewhere above. It is based on the recent BCS rankings of its members. Add BSU (and Tulsa) to the steady BCS rankings of BYU, TCU and this year's Utah and the conference is just as good as the Big East.
Additionally, the MWC gives a little more overall depth in basketball and other sports – including an option for a fairly strong baseball conference (Title IX permitting – can you say women's lacrosse?)

Crap, I meant BYU over Utah 34 to 27…. DOH! Feels like I'm talking about the same team anyway.

I rooted for BYU once and my dog died. God must hate the Cougs as he surely cannot hate my dog can he? Still, I would say don't root directly for BYU as much as you should root silently against the Utes. Just in case God has indeed lost his mind.

RE: Patrick
… and UNLV, and TCU, and air force, Hawaii has a bright future, maybe a good team or two from C-USA, I like Southern Methodist and Tulsa
don't forget to factor in the effect an automatic BCS bid will have on these team's recruiting. they will be better than they are now. BSU would not win this conference all that often

BCS conference status is probably the only thing that would cause a big shakeup, and the new conference (MWC or otherwise) would take the best of the WAC, MWC, and even C-USA. there's no reason to say the MWC sucks, there's no reason to join them, etc. because it would be quite a different conference after the shakeup anyways.

Yeah, who knows how realisitic it is for the MWC to become a BCS conference really? Although, I do think it's more realistic then the PAC 10 inviting Boise State in the near future.
 
To me the MWC is a step up, maybe not a huge step, but a step nonetheless. You can compare the top teams in the WAC to the top teams in the MWC most seasons, but top to bottom the MWC is usually a bit better. Utah State, Idaho, and NMSU are all regulars in the bottom 10 teams in the country. At least the MWC doesn't have teams where they are in the bottom 10 every single year. It's a given with Utah State and Idaho.
 
Don't get me wrong, the MWC has their share of bad teams, but not Utah State, Idaho, and NMSU bad. At least the bad MWC teams can pull themselves into mediocrity.

I don't think the Pac 10 (or the Big 10 for that matter) want a championship game. Not sure why though.

Perception is reality and the national perception right now is that the MWC is a much better conference than the WAC. We'll see how that holds up next year.